Cheap, easy to handle fuels/oxidizers

Gordon D. Pusch wrote:
Earl Colby Pottinger writes:

What I am asking is "Are there any other combinations out there that are
cheap, easy to handle and ship, have few regulations controlling them?"

You can be darned sure that under the current regime, those regulations
will be changed the moment the "Dept. of Homeland Security" gets even a
_hint_ that concocting rocket-fuel even _might_ be possible using them,
or the moment the "Nanny State" favored by the alternate tyranny hears
that someone has blown their fingers off playing with it. (Note that
"Homeland Security" is =ALREADY= trying to crack down on model rocketry !!!)


PS. Because of a string of Hot-Rodding accidents police are crarking down
on Nitrous Oxide suppliers.

The same will happen if there are a string of amateur or professional
rocketry accidents.


Well, large agribusiness and ready availability of fertiliser are sort of
dependennt on each other, so its not likely fertiliser would stop being
easily available, nop matter how many times it was used in bombs...


-- Gordon D. Pusch

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Sander

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Sander Vesik writes:

Gordon D. Pusch wrote:
Earl Colby Pottinger writes:

What I am asking is "Are there any other combinations out there that are
cheap, easy to handle and ship, have few regulations controlling them?"

You can be darned sure that under the current regime, those regulations
will be changed the moment the "Dept. of Homeland Security" gets even a
_hint_ that concocting rocket-fuel even _might_ be possible using them,
or the moment the "Nanny State" favored by the alternate tyranny hears
that someone has blown their fingers off playing with it. (Note that
"Homeland Security" is =ALREADY= trying to crack down on model rocketry !!!)

PS. Because of a string of Hot-Rodding accidents police are crarking down
on Nitrous Oxide suppliers.

The same will happen if there are a string of amateur or professional
rocketry accidents.


Well, large agribusiness and ready availability of fertiliser are sort of
dependennt on each other, so its not likely fertiliser would stop being
easily available, nop matter how many times it was used in bombs...


Only certain types of fertilizer are suitable for amateur bomb-making,
and only very specialized sorts of agriculture depend on those specific
types of fertilizer.

You cannot, for example, pull up to an ag supply shop in Northern Ireland
and buy a truckload of straight ammonium nitrate. Not any more. OKC
wasn't enough to justify a similar regime here, but half a dozen repeats
probably would.


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Sander Vesik wrote:

...

Well, large agribusiness and ready availability of fertiliser are sort of
dependennt on each other, so its not likely fertiliser would stop being
easily available, nop matter how many times it was used in bombs...

Few fertilizers, aside from the obvious ammonium nitrate, are much good for
bomb making. NH4NO3 is a particulatly efficient and convenient way to
deliver nitrogen, but it's certainly not the only one. If its distribution
were stopped, people might complain, but life would go on with little
disruption.

Although it's possible to make explosives from other fertilizers, I doubt
it would generally be worth the hassle.

/kenw
Ken Wallewein
Calgary, Alberta

www.kmsi.net

Sander Vesik writes:

Gordon D. Pusch wrote:
Earl Colby Pottinger writes:

What I am asking is "Are there any other combinations out there that are
cheap, easy to handle and ship, have few regulations controlling them?"

You can be darned sure that under the current regime, those regulations
will be changed the moment the "Dept. of Homeland Security" gets even a
_hint_ that concocting rocket-fuel even _might_ be possible using them,
or the moment the "Nanny State" favored by the alternate tyranny hears
that someone has blown their fingers off playing with it. (Note that
"Homeland Security" is =ALREADY= trying to crack down on model rocketry !!!)


PS. Because of a string of Hot-Rodding accidents police are crarking down
on Nitrous Oxide suppliers.

The same will happen if there are a string of amateur or professional
rocketry accidents.

Well, large agribusiness and ready availability of fertiliser are sort of
dependennt on each other, so its not likely fertiliser would stop being
easily available, nop matter how many times it was used in bombs...

....However, after the Oklahoma city bombing, if you purchase a large amount
of nitrate fertilizer, unless you _do_ happen to be either a farmer or a
fertilizer dealer, you will be put under close FBI scrutiny to see if
you happen to have _also_ purchased a large amount of diesel fuel.
IMO, unless there is a constitutional or public backlash, it is only a
matter of time before one will need to have a permit or license to buy
nitrate fertilizer, diesel fuel, or other such "terrorist paraphernalia"...


-- Gordon D. Pusch

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