OT Mushroom cloud in N. Korea

Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:02:23 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
: (Eric Chomko) made the phosphor on my
: monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

: Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: : On 19 Sep 2004 09:52:28 GMT, in a place far, far away,
: : (George William Herbert) made the phosphor on my
: : monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:
:
: : I believe Rand was involved in one of the space tourism
: : major published studies. Not entirely sure. He may
: : clarify, if he hasn't killfiled this thread due to
: : overwhelming idiocy.
:
: : I haven't killfiled the thread, but I have killfiled Mr. Ramos, who
: : seems to have nothing of value to say (the fact that he's happy to get
: : validation from Eric should tell us something).
:
: Ramos simply asked you for references and you need Mr. Herbert to your
: aid.

: Who says that?

: : One day I'll round up all my lurkers
: : we'll have a newsgroup of our own
: : without all this flak from you morons
: : my lurkers will post round my throne.
:
: : Lurkers etc.
:
: Yeah, call it alt.fan.Rand-Simberg. Go ahead I dare ya!
: Let's see how much courage you REALLY have.

: Eric, are you utterly incapable of recognizing satire?

Not only did I recognize it I added to it. Are YOU blind!?
Or, did you deep down think that an alt group of yours actually
had possibilities, therefore YOU missed MY satire? One wonders...


Eric

Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:06:29 -0700, in a place far, far away, Mary
: Shafer made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such
: a way as to indicate that:

: Demand is such a basic driver that his insistence on its presence,
: without believable evidence, undermines Rand's apparent competence.

: "Without believable evidence"?

: I guess that's in the eye of the beholder.

Well two tourist launches in 45 years isn't too good. If you think the
first manned Sputnik isn't a fair begining date regarding tourist space
travel, then tell us what a good beginning date would be. Using the
actual first tourist lauch date isn't exactly fair either due to the fact
that it ignores any type of actual preparations.

: [1] These surveys may be proprietary or otherwise restricted, but he's
: never mentioned that when asked about them. On the other hand, I've
: never asked exactly that.

: Actually, in some cases I have stated that was the case. For
: instance, Futron's report, while not proprietary in the sense that
: they don't want people to have the information, costs $2500 dollars,
: and I'm certainly not going to repost its results on Usenet.

: By the way, I've heard rumors that they may be making it public in the
: future.

Maybe if a 1000 of us pitch in 2 and half bucks? Maybe they'll take
PayPal?

Eric

Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:05:16 -0500, in a place far, far away, Phil
: Fraering pgf@AUTO made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way
: as to indicate that:

: I'm not sure about this, George. Rand's continued insistence that
: market surveys prove that there is enough demand for tourist space
: travel, without providing any references documenting those surveys[1],
: isn't exactly rational. Unless this is what you mean by politics?
:
: Well, it's not as if anyone's asked *nicely* yet.

: No kidding.

Yeah, begging and ass-kissing appear to be what is needed. No thanks!

: (And Rand makes the situation worse by replying to each and every message
: written by his, well, for lack of a better word, _stalkers_. I think this
: encourages them

: Yes, I probably shouldn't feed the trolls, and I have killfiled
: Christian, but Eric is just too entertaining. I kind of think of him
: as the group pinata. He's easy and fun to beat with a stick, even
: blindfolded.

Entertainment is a two-way street. One wonders what question Christian
asked that had you killfile him. Truth hurts!

: Of course, when you break open a pinata, you get showered with toys
: and candy. You have to be careful not to hit Eric too hard, because
: he's full of...something else.

Hey, good one! Even for you and your general lack of wit...

Eric

Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: On 21 Sep 2004 03:09:44 GMT, in a place far, far away,
: (George William Herbert) made the phosphor on my
: monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

: He was involved in many major projects but cant name them
:
: I know what the biggest one was, and for whom,
: but I don't know that Rand wants his friends and
: aquaintences posting his resume piecewise on
: Usenet so I will refrain from identifying it.

: Actually, I don't really care. There are no secrets in my past, at
: least as regards my space activities.

: He contributed to a major US study but he cant name it.
:
: I can't recall any specifics about any of the major
: studies anymore, they've all run together. Rand has
: confirmed his participation.

: I was the manager of the first Space Transportation Architecture Study
: for NASA and the Air Force when I was at Rockwell back in the
: mid-eighties. I also managed the NASP-Derived Vehicle Applications
: studies for them. I provided some inputs to the Commercial Space
: Transportation Study after leaving Rockwell in 1993.

You, an actual manager? Boy, I'd love to hear the stories from those you
managed. I bet that would fill a book!

: I'm willing to except Rand may be a respected Space person for the US
: community, but that just emphasis my point that he's not a space tourism
: expert. Most of the in-depth analysis from a business and marketing
: perspective I've seen on space tourism has been completed by Germans and in
: particular the Japanese, the US has tended to focus on short term things
: related to startup joy rides etc. His rejection of a major study and his
: obvious lack of knowledge supports that.

: I wonder what "rejection of a major study" he's fantasizing about? I
: didn't reject any studies, major or otherwise.

: And, unfortunately for your thesis, the Japanese and
: German groups are well represented at US space conferences.
: What they are doing is part of the US body of literature.

: I think that Hartmut Mueller, or Patrick Collins, or Mizuzu Onuki
: would find amusing the notion that I know nothing about space tourism.

Well what happened to Lance Bass (from NSYNC - heck what happened to THAT
band?!) and the Radio Shack sponsored mission? I figured it would have
flown by now?

Who are other sponsors willing to invest in the space tourism industry?
Until they step up you ain't got no industry.

Somehow there appears to be more "Rands" then there are people like Dennis
Tito and Shuttleworth.

Eric

John Savard wrote:

On 12 Sep 2004 05:21:23 GMT, (the bionic glove
chick) wrote, in part:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...12/ap_on_re_as
/nkorea_explosion

http://tinyurl.com/3r6xg

The mushroom cloud occurred near their Daepodong missile base, and the
mushroom cloud was four miles in diameter (or more) and it occurred on
September 9th, the 56th anniversary of the founding of North Korea's
communist regime.

And they're saying they don't think it was an above-ground test of a
nuclear weapon?

Well, I did hear it claimed that there was more energy in the fuel tanks
of a Saturn V rocket than in an atomic bomb. Perhaps North Korea's
attempt to put its first man into space failed?

That would be typical priorities: most of the population is
starving to death, but let's get a Korean in space!

- Iread that if it were a nuclear explosion, the U.S. would have
known in seconds because of the Gamma radiation that would have been
almost instantly detected by satellite...


Pe