chances are greater of this being alien contact than not; signal inPisces and Aries

Thanks.

But I am not so fast to dismiss it as most scientists are fast to dismiss.

I am still trying to find the distance to this source.

I think instead of dismissing, that some exoplanet hunters should look into this Pisces Aries


FYI : the signal in question is said to be between the Pisces and
Aries constellations. the average distance (in lightyears) of the
stars in those constellations is: Pisces (172 ly) and Aries (324 ly).




http://planetary.org/news/2004/seti_signal_0902.html

The Ghost In The Machine wrote in message ...
In sci.logic, Archimedes Plutonium

wrote
on Sun, 05 Sep 2004 02:45:58 -0500
:
--- quoting Reuters on a exciting news brief ---

Could Space Signal Be Alien Contact?

Thu Sep 2, 8:32 AM ET


LONDON (Reuters) - An unexplained radio
signal from deep space could -- just might be
-- contact from an alien civilization, New
Scientist magazine reported on Thursday.

[rest snipped]

[1] Your formatting is horrid.

[2] This could lead to some interesting research.
I'm trying to figure out, for instance, how far out one
might be able to detect an alien civvy, but the units
are strange (to me, anyway). It turns out, however,
that the Arecibo telescope ("a telescope" in Puerto
Rico, not "the largest telescope" in Puerto Rico,
and in fact in the entire world, using a spherical
mirror of 305m in diameter?!) is specified as having a
sensitivity of 11 K/jansky, at the highest. K=kelvin,
which makes sense enough, but a jansky is a weird
but fathomable unit: 1 jansky = 0.01 yW/(Hz m^2)
= 10^-26 W/(Hz m^2). Therefore 11 K/jansky = 1.1 *
10^27 K Hz m^2 / W.


Some info. regarding the Arecibo telescope. It's a radio telescope,
and uses either a wire mesh or metal tiles as a "mirror"--I cannot
remember which. If you've seen "Goldeneye," the last scenes were
filmed in Arecibo. And it makes an appearance in "Contact" at the
very beginning.

'cid 'ooh

In article , NOiwEMAIL wrote:

KevinR wrote:

On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 13:10:26 -0500, Archimedes Plutonium
wrote:

The reason I wrote in the title that chances are greater than not is
because when pulsars were first discovered they were thought to be "little
green men". And I still believe most pulsars are advanced alien
civilizations that are so advanced over humans that their signal is strong
but hard to decipher.

"Most pulsars" ? So you accept the fact that there is such a thing as
a pulsar ?
In which case how intelligent are these aliens it they think to them
selves that making a noise like a pulsar is a good way of saying
"We're Over here guys !"

Hard to decipher ?
What's to decipher ? It goes on. it goes off. it goes on. it goes off.
It goes on. it goes off. it goes on. it goes off.. . . ad infinitum

The going on and off maybe a "Number beacon". I call it a beacon because it is
useless to have a conversation when separated by large light years.

So much work has been done on the age vs the slowdown, and more recently,
the well-described speed up of a pulsar in the Methuselah planet's system,
that it's silly to still hear speculations about pulsars as artificial
signalers.



But this new signal coming out of Pisces Aries from hydrogen frequency is
of a signal that is lower-keyed intelligence than pulsar frequency.

Less intelligent than the pulsar emulating aliens ? Damn, how did they
manage to build a radio transmiter ?

We'll be able to ask them all sorts of useful questions.
trouble is, that by the time we have received the reply our
civilisation will have advanced to the level where we could answer the
question our selves. Either that, or we will have been wiped out.

The Big Bang theory is deaf dumb and silent when it comes to how many planets
with life in the Cosmos. The AtomTotality theory has a very pretty answer to
where and how much life exists.

The AtomTotality needs just one planet with life to nucleosynthesize Elements
188 and 190 to thrust this Plutonium AtomTotality into Element 96
AtomTotality. So would an AtomTotality Cosmos have one planet of living
creatures who nucleosynthesized heavy elements? No. A science Cosmos would
have uniformity of life throughout the Cosmos just as it has uniformity of the
elements spread throughout the cosmos. So there are millions and billions of
planets with advanced life.

There's nothing cosmologically significant about large atoms.


And since there is a Fusion Barrier Principle those aliens are confined within
their own solar-systems. But they can communicate to one another.

Those that are very far use pulsars to beacon their whereabouts.

Those that are nearby to one another can communicate easily and productively.

The reason for existence of life is to nucleosynthesize the heavy elements so
that the Cosmos moves from element 94 Atom Totality into element 96 Atom
Totality. And the way this happens is when enough points in the Cosmos has
enough heavy elements. Humans have nucleosynthesized only up to element 114 at
last look.

No, no, the purpose of sentient life is to forestall a universe's
premature production of new baby universes, obviously.

If sentients become energetic and active enough to slow down their
universe's eventual reproduction, its offspring can be more viable and
more favorable for future sentient evolution in the new universes. This
is analogous to the improving sieve of natural selection, but on the scale
of reproducing universes.


But these pulsar civilizations probably have nucleosynthesized up to perhaps
Element 180 and getting close to Element 190.

So the beacon that these pulsars are emitting is to tell the rest of the
planets with life that they reached some heavy element in their
nucleosynthesis. And they are probably dying civilizations nearing the
exhaustion of the energy within their solar system and their grave marker for
their civilization is "pulsar beeps".

If there does not exist a Fusion Barrier Principle and given the fact that
some galaxies are 12 billion years old and that Earth is half as old, then
logic would say that aliens would have visited and taken over Earth already.

They've found us already? We've only been emitting for less than a
century and it's a big universe.

The Earth has had a telltale oxygen signature for more than 3 billion
years, but if these guys are only 5 billion light years away it's really
problematic.


But this is not the case which then strongly suggests that the Fusion Barrier
Principle is true and keeps all life confined to their solar system in which
when they run out of fission resources they slowly await extinction by the
internal collisions within their solar system.

A more plausible reason is that higher life hardly ever emerges and/or
survives for long. Longterm stable favorable conditions for higher
fragile life are vanishingly rare. It takes billions of years of
unchanging 'good luck' and most such widespread environments are extremely
transitory, on geologic timescales.

So where the dinosaurs on Earth
were extincted by asteroid collision, then some future date humanity will also
be extincted by a swallowing up of Earth by Jupiter to make a twin star.

If Jupiter did migrate inward and absorb all the inner planets it would
still be far too puny to become a star.

So if
humanity is lucky they too will become a pulsar broadcasting how far humans
nucleosynthesized.

All the quarks and leptons in humans will soon be converted into Hawking
Radiation. By soon I mean long before our universe reaches reproductive
maturity..

Defender


Archimedes Plutonium
www.archimedesplutonium.com
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

In article ,
(Kelly Bailey) wrote:


Thanks.

But I am not so fast to dismiss it as most scientists are fast to dismiss.

I am still trying to find the distance to this source.

I think instead of dismissing, that some exoplanet hunters should look
into this Pisces Aries


FYI : the signal in question is said to be between the Pisces and
Aries constellations. the average distance (in lightyears) of the
stars in those constellations is: Pisces (172 ly) and Aries (324 ly).


How did you arrive at these average distances?

Defender






http://planetary.org/news/2004/seti_signal_0902.html

8 Sep 2004 12:23:38 -0700 Kelly Bailey wrote:
(snip)



FYI : the signal in question is said to be between the Pisces and
Aries constellations. the average distance (in lightyears) of the
stars in those constellations is: Pisces (172 ly) and Aries (324 ly).


Thanks, okay, so let us say the distance is (172+324)/2 = 248 ly to this possible ET.

Getting back to the correlation between Tifft quantized galaxy distances and pulsar average
distances.

Anyone know what the average distance that separates the galaxies in our neighborhood?

Anyone know what the average distance between pulsars? Is it about 250 ly??

If the AtomTotality theory in conjunction with Fusion Barrier Principle is true then some day in
the far future Earth will become a pulsar, a beacon of intelligent life that is dying in our solar
system. And if this beeper in Pisces-Aries is a advanced alien civilization it too will become a
pulsar as it nears its death. So, if that scenario is true there should be some correlation
between the distance from Earth to Pisces-Aries and the average distance between pulsars. It is to
say that the Density of planets with life are separated on average by about 250 light-years. And
that we can expect planets with life to be spaced every 250 light-years.

I hope someone has the data for these questions.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.archimedesplutonium.com
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies