ISS On-orbit Status, 20-07-2004

It's good manners to acknowledge sources, although I've been on both the
giving and receiving ends of oversights on this practice. Since Keith steals
them fair and square, it might not be fair to steal them in turn from him.
Just joking -- I recommend a policy that encourages and rewards good
investigators with good sources, and that involves proper stroking of those
who accomplish these openings. Since it is a government document not subject
to copyright, redistributing it has no legal constraints -- but a message
stating, "Source: www.spaceref.com" or some such URL (such as the precise
URL of the document on Keith's site), would be polite. Now, Keith also
realizes that he is not the ONLY conduit for these leaks (no further details
will be offered), but since he 'tagged' the text with changes of his own,
that DID get passed along, he has a strong case that these reports ARE
coming from his site. He realizes, I also believe, that he does NOT have to
post the items on his site (i.e., publish a link to them on his front page)
for diligent researchers to FIND them there, too.

Hello,

This is the only thing I'm going to say about this, I decided to stop post
any news to either this or any other news group, I do not want to fight over
who has the (copy)right to anything..I was only posting press releases and
these on orbit reports for fun to serve the general public, and was doing
that was almost 3 (?) years now. Now mr. Cowing is adding *his* stuff to
these reports and he is making a big deal of me posting them to
sci.space.news and sci.space.station, I was getting them from your site ever
since NASA stoped posting them to there public site....anyway since he has
made such a big deal out of it and has made it happen that I can not post
any more to sci.space.news, I was removing to *NON* interesting stuff from
the ISS reports but since that takes to much time I stoped posting them, and
with that I decided this weekend to stop posting everything...****I DID IT
(posting) ONLY FOR FUN AND HOBBY**** and to serve the people who are
interested in (general) space news...but mr.Cowing made it unpossible for me
to continue so I stop here, the readers of the newsgroups are the real
lossers here NOT me.....

With this I say goodbye....all the best to you all,

Greatings from the Netherlands,


Jacques :-)

www.spacepatches.info






Jim Oberg schreef in berichtnieuws
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It's good manners to acknowledge sources, although I've been on both the
giving and receiving ends of oversights on this practice. Since Keith
steals
them fair and square, it might not be fair to steal them in turn from him.
Just joking -- I recommend a policy that encourages and rewards good
investigators with good sources, and that involves proper stroking of
those
who accomplish these openings. Since it is a government document not
subject
to copyright, redistributing it has no legal constraints -- but a message
stating, "Source: www.spaceref.com" or some such URL (such as the precise
URL of the document on Keith's site), would be polite. Now, Keith also
realizes that he is not the ONLY conduit for these leaks (no further
details
will be offered), but since he 'tagged' the text with changes of his own,
that DID get passed along, he has a strong case that these reports ARE
coming from his site. He realizes, I also believe, that he does NOT have
to
post the items on his site (i.e., publish a link to them on his front
page)
for diligent researchers to FIND them there, too.

Jacques van Oene wrote:
(posting) ONLY FOR FUN AND HOBBY**** and to serve the people who are
interested in (general) space news...but mr.Cowing made it unpossible for me
to continue so I stop here, the readers of the newsgroups are the real
lossers here NOT me.....

I find Mr Cowing's reaction despicable, and while I deplore your reaction, I
also understand very well why you took this decision.

I know NOT to visit the spaceref web site anymore, and hope many will stop
doing so from now on to deprive him of advertising revenus.

Had I been in Mr Cowan's shoes, I would have simply asked PRIVATELY that
Jacques add a line at the bottom to indicate the source was the spaceref web
site. That would have generated positive free publicity instead of now
generating very bad negative attitudes towards spaceref.

John Doe wrote in message ...
Jacques van Oene wrote:
(posting) ONLY FOR FUN AND HOBBY**** and to serve the people who are
interested in (general) space news...but mr.Cowing made it unpossible for me
to continue so I stop here, the readers of the newsgroups are the real
lossers here NOT me.....

I find Mr Cowing's reaction despicable, and while I deplore your reaction, I
also understand very well why you took this decision.

I know NOT to visit the spaceref web site anymore, and hope many will stop
doing so from now on to deprive him of advertising revenus.

Had I been in Mr Cowan's shoes, I would have simply asked PRIVATELY that
Jacques add a line at the bottom to indicate the source was the spaceref web
site. That would have generated positive free publicity instead of now
generating very bad negative attitudes towards spaceref.


I asked Jacques multiple times to do so by email - PRIVATELY. He did
not reply to my emails nor did he comply with my requests. He also
ignored email requests from the moderator of sci.space.news

wrote:
I asked Jacques multiple times to do so by email - PRIVATELY. He did
not reply to my emails nor did he comply with my requests. He also
ignored email requests from the moderator of sci.space.news

IF that is truly the case, then I retract my previous statement. But since I
didn't see anty of the private correspondance, can't pass final judgement.

I asked Jacques multiple times to do so by email - PRIVATELY. He did
not reply to my emails nor did he comply with my requests. He also
ignored email requests from the moderator of sci.space.news


is NOT my e-mail address so if you send mail at that
addres I never received them....(I do not like spam so I do not post with my
real e-mail address)...I have my website URL under every post of mine, you
could find my real e-mail adress there...

so I never received your e-mails..as for those of the sci.space.news
moderator, but he has my real e-mail adress and I e-maild him to but he
never responded to me.....

Jacques :-)

www.spacepatches.info

"Jacques van Oene"
is NOT my e-mail address
Then it's a real pity you haven't changed it to something like
lid

"Jacques van Oene" wrote in message ...
I asked Jacques multiple times to do so by email - PRIVATELY. He did
not reply to my emails nor did he comply with my requests. He also
ignored email requests from the moderator of sci.space.news


is NOT my e-mail address so if you send mail at that
addres I never received them....(I do not like spam so I do not post with my
real e-mail address)...I have my website URL under every post of mine, you
could find my real e-mail adress there...

so I never received your e-mails..as for those of the sci.space.news
moderator, but he has my real e-mail adress and I e-maild him to but he
never responded to me.....

Jacques :-)

www.spacepatches.info


Gee, I did not receive any responses back from the dozen or so emails
I sent saying that this was not a valid email address.

Posting a fake email is no defense.

When additional copyright protected information is included in these
reports it is not OK to take my material.

If someone gets these reports on their own and posts them here - fine.
But it is NOT OK when they take my material and post it as well -
without my permission.


"Jim Oberg" wrote in message ...
It's good manners to acknowledge sources, although I've been on both the
giving and receiving ends of oversights on this practice. Since Keith steals
them fair and square, it might not be fair to steal them in turn from him.
Just joking -- I recommend a policy that encourages and rewards good
investigators with good sources, and that involves proper stroking of those
who accomplish these openings. Since it is a government document not subject
to copyright, redistributing it has no legal constraints -- but a message
stating, "Source: www.spaceref.com" or some such URL (such as the precise
URL of the document on Keith's site), would be polite. Now, Keith also
realizes that he is not the ONLY conduit for these leaks (no further details
will be offered), but since he 'tagged' the text with changes of his own,
that DID get passed along, he has a strong case that these reports ARE
coming from his site. He realizes, I also believe, that he does NOT have to
post the items on his site (i.e., publish a link to them on his front page)
for diligent researchers to FIND them there, too.

wrote:

If someone gets these reports on their own and posts them here - fine.
But it is NOT OK when they take my material and post it as well -
without my permission

Does that imply permission would be forthcoming if asked for and the
appropriate attributions added?

D.
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