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I'd like to understand how astronomers "know where things are", what
coordinate systems are used and how time is "used" in whatever reference methods exist in astronomy. Since my curiosity stems from recently trying to understand the Keplerian Elements in satellite orbits, my curiosity now extends to planetary motion and the stars. I'm no scientist or mathematician, though, but want to build a foundation of the topics. I'd also like to develop a matching vocabulary to go with building a mind's-eye understanding of how things move and how they're defined. So, without stomping my curiosity with the elephant's foot of complexity, can anyone make some textbook recommendations to suit my needs? |
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"Wayne R." wrote in message
... I'd like to understand how astronomers "know where things are", what coordinate systems are used and how time is "used" in whatever reference methods exist in astronomy. Since my curiosity stems from recently trying to understand the Keplerian Elements in satellite orbits, my curiosity now extends to planetary motion and the stars. I'm no scientist or mathematician, though, but want to build a foundation of the topics. I'd also like to develop a matching vocabulary to go with building a mind's-eye understanding of how things move and how they're defined. So, without stomping my curiosity with the elephant's foot of complexity, can anyone make some textbook recommendations to suit my needs? Fundamentals of Astrodynamics, Bate, Mueller, White. Good introduction to all the above with plenty of practical examples and exercises. Amazon has it. |
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Perfect, thanks!
(Did you know Amazon has over 6000 titles by "et.al."?) On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 09:51:49 -0400, "Greg Neill" wrote: Fundamentals of Astrodynamics, Bate, Mueller, White. Good introduction to all the above with plenty of practical examples and exercises. Amazon has it. |
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The following is from the TheSky Softwa
The horizon coordinate system (altitude and azimuth) is not convenient for specifying the location of celestial objects because the horizon coordinates of stars and other objects are continuously changing with time (due to the rotation of the Earth). For example, at Sunrise, the Sun is near zero degrees altitude in the East, but a short 6 hours later it is high in the sky, with a completely different altitude and azimuth. The exception occurs with objects near the North and South celestial poles. These are unique since they are close to the axis of rotation of the Earth and therefore move only in small circular paths. For example, Polaris, the North Star remains at a nearly constant altitude and azimuth. All celestial objects that are not near the poles change position from hour-to-hour. In the equatorial coordinate system, the coordinates of all celestial objects remain fixed* from hour-to-hour, day-to-day and so on. An object's equatorial coordinates remain the same regardless of from where on Earth the object is viewed. This allows us to create star maps that apply to any place on Earth, or publish the anticipated position of an upcoming comet so that astronomers everywhere know where it is located among the stars. * Equatorial coordinates change over long periods of time due to precession (wobbling of the Earth). TheSky computes this change in stars' position for the input date and time. Precession, however, does not change the relative positions of objects with respect to one another. The equatorial coordinate system used to specify the positions of celestial objects is directly analogous to the latitude-longitude coordinate system used on Earth. In fact, if you were to expand the latitude and longitude grid of the Earth so that it is out beyond all stars, you would have a sphere with identical geometry to the celestial sphere. We suppose that all stars and deep-sky objects are located on a very large sphere (out beyond all stars). We call this the celestial sphere. For purposes of describing the positions of celestial objects, we consider all stars and deep sky objects to be on the celestial sphere, when actually they are all positioned at varying distances from the Earth. The Declination lines on the celestial sphere are similar to the latitude lines on Earth, ranging in value from -90 degrees to +90 degrees. The "declination" of an object is the angle measured from the celestial equator (0 degrees declination) along a meridian line through the object. Polaris, the North Star has a declination of 89.26 degrees so it is very close to the North Celestial Pole. Mintaka, the western-most star in Orion's belt has a declination of about 0 degrees 17 minutes south so it is very near the celestial equator. Objects with a declination below the latitude of the observer less 90 degrees will never rise at that latitude. For example, if you live at 40 degrees North latitude, objects with a declination below minus 50 degrees (40 minus 90) will never rise. If you are located at 90 degrees latitude (the North Pole), you will never see any objects with a negative declination. We have defined the declination of stars to be the angle measured from the equator, but we need a second coordinate to completely state the positions of celestial objects. The geometry of the right ascension (RA) lines on the celestial sphere is identical to the longitude lines on Earth. Longitude lines on Earth divide one rotation into 360 degrees, but RA lines on the celestial sphere divide one rotation into 24 hours. Therefore one hour equals 15 degrees (360 divided by 24). See the definition of Local Sidereal Time for additional information on why 24 hours are used for right ascension instead of 360 degrees. Zero degrees longitude passes through Greenwich, England and is the designated reference line for longitude. What then is the reference line for zero hour's right ascension? Astronomers use the vernal equinox, the location where the Sun crosses the celestial equator during its apparent annual motion against the background stars, as a "starting point" for right ascension. The term "Right Ascension" comes from the fact that when viewed from the equator, all stars rise (or ascend) at right angles to the horizon, so their times of rising are called their times of right ascension. "Greg Neill" wrote in message ... "Wayne R." wrote in message ... I'd like to understand how astronomers "know where things are", what coordinate systems are used and how time is "used" in whatever reference methods exist in astronomy. Since my curiosity stems from recently trying to understand the Keplerian Elements in satellite orbits, my curiosity now extends to planetary motion and the stars. I'm no scientist or mathematician, though, but want to build a foundation of the topics. I'd also like to develop a matching vocabulary to go with building a mind's-eye understanding of how things move and how they're defined. So, without stomping my curiosity with the elephant's foot of complexity, can anyone make some textbook recommendations to suit my needs? Fundamentals of Astrodynamics, Bate, Mueller, White. Good introduction to all the above with plenty of practical examples and exercises. Amazon has it. |
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