Faulty hardware found on shuttle

Derek Lyons wrote:

Marvin wrote:

Microsoft has a great sales department, second only to their legal staff.
But quality control is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down on the
priority list.

*Right*. That's why millions of people around the world use it on a
daily basis. It's far from perfect, but it does work, people hold it
to an unrealistic standard and them complain when it fails to meet
that standard.


Uhh, ask anyone why they are running MS OS on their system
and they'll tell you that it's because that's what came on
it, not because they actively sought it out. MS has been
one of the best at coercing PC makers into using MS OS
exclusively, that's already been documented worldwide. The
fact that millions are using it is spurious to the argument
that it's any good as an OS.

As to unrealistic standards, maybe it is unreasonable to
expect an OS to not crash in any given 24 hour time period.
I like blue screens of death.

JazzMan
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"JazzMan" wrote in message
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Uhh, ask anyone why they are running MS OS on their system
and they'll tell you that it's because that's what came on
it, not because they actively sought it out.

Thus, the free market in action. Nobody is forced to buy MS products. They
buy MS products because they either sought out an MS product or they didn't
care when they bought a product that happened to include something from MS.
In short, it was an intentional action on the part of the buyer. Thus, it's
very clear that MS operating systems are the best on the market, because the
market buys them more than the alternatives.

"Best" does not, of course, mean better than all of the alternatives at a
particular technical standard, although it could. In the real world,
technical merit doesn't carry much weight. MS operating systems are the best
because they provide what the public wants at an affordable price. The proof
that the public wants what MS has to offer is MS's market share. It's
completely unnecessary for a buyer to intend to buy a MS product- apathy
works as well; the proof that the product does what the public wants is the
fact that people keep buying it, even after they have complained about a
previous MS purchase. Alteratives are available, some of which have greater
technical merit and some of which are cheaper and a few which are both.
Information about these alternatives is also freely available. The public
knows about these alternatives, but buys MS products, because MS products
best serve their needs. Not wanting to think about the OS is a need that MS
addresses better than anything else on the market, as sales show.

Scott Hedrick wrote:

"JazzMan" wrote in message
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Uhh, ask anyone why they are running MS OS on their system
and they'll tell you that it's because that's what came on
it, not because they actively sought it out.

Thus, the free market in action. Nobody is forced to buy MS products. They

Sigh... Nevermind.

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"JazzMan" wrote in message
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Thus, the free market in action. Nobody is forced to buy MS products.
They

Sigh... Nevermind.

The way you folded when confronted with the facts is telling.

Scott Hedrick wrote:

"JazzMan" wrote in message
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Thus, the free market in action. Nobody is forced to buy MS products.
They

Sigh... Nevermind.

The way you folded when confronted with the facts is telling.

Sure, you can see it that way if you want. Me? I just see
it as arguing with a stone, it accomplishes nothing.

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"JazzMan" wrote in message
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Me? I just see
it as arguing with a stone, it accomplishes nothing.

Yes, I *could have* argued with you, but the public was better served by my
putting the facts out there.

My 2 cents is that Windows NT/XP is a perfectly fine home or business
operating system when used in conjunction with responsible use of firewalls,
and when configured not to try to open any darn file as an executable. There
is a large base of applications available for it.

On the other hand, Windows should not be used for avionics, patient
monitoring, and other systems where a crash or security failure can kill
someone. It also shouldn't be used in an application where the cost of
intrusion is high (electronic voting, banking, stock exchange) without
incredibly careful configuration management.

"Ami Silberman" wrote in message
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My 2 cents is that Windows NT/XP is a perfectly fine home or business
operating system when used in conjunction with responsible use of
firewalls,
and when configured not to try to open any darn file as an executable.

The law should be changed to emphasize that the user is responsible for
ensuring that their computer is properly secured, and that it is at the
least civil negligence if your computer passes a virus and you have taken no
serious effort at securing it. Failure to use anti-virus and firewall
technology should be prima facie evidence of this. It's one thing to install
such (and keep them properly updated) and they fail from a particularly
devious virus, and another to remain ignorant or lazy and fail to do so.

On the other hand, Windows should not be used for avionics, patient
monitoring, and other systems where a crash or security failure can kill
someone.

There are some cases where specialized operating systems make sense,
especially where Windoze is too large.

It also shouldn't be used in an application where the cost of
intrusion is high (electronic voting, banking, stock exchange) without
incredibly careful configuration management.

And, in some cases, paper backup. A convenience store where I worked had an
ancient dot-matrix printer that printed out a line for every credit card
transaction.

"Scott Hedrick" wrote in message
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"JazzMan" wrote in message
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Uhh, ask anyone why they are running MS OS on their system
and they'll tell you that it's because that's what came on
it, not because they actively sought it out.

Thus, the free market in action. Nobody is forced to buy MS products. They
buy MS products because they either sought out an MS product or they
didn't
care when they bought a product that happened to include something from
MS.
In short, it was an intentional action on the part of the buyer.

A lot of people *are* forced to use Windows because it is the only OS that
has apps (also by MS) that can access their data files. A further lot of
people are forced to use Windows because their boss bought it for them.

"Neil Gerace" wrote in message
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A lot of people *are* forced to use Windows because it is the only OS that
has apps (also by MS) that can access their data files.

So MicroSoft puts a gun to their head? Horse****. They *choose* to buy and
use MS because it's easier than using one of the alternatives.

A further lot of
people are forced to use Windows because their boss bought it for them.

More horse****. If you don't want to use Windows, change jobs. If you don't
change jobs, it's because *you choose* to continue to use MS products. If
the use of MS products offends you, you're free to stop, but that *choice*
will have consequences.