Hubble. Alive and Well

"VTrade" wrote:

When did Hubble break down? Just when the controversy over its ownership
started.

I say Hubble is not only alive and well but probably looking out at the
Stars right now. Even if it isn't it is in a Geosycronous orbital path at
96,000 miles above the Earth. Trust me - I know!

Geosynchronous orbit is about 22.5K miles and the Hubble is in low earth
orbit (around 300 miles or so). Chandra flies in an elliptical orbit
roughly close to your 96K mile reference. .Is that what you are referring
to?

This means that at the current rate of decay - it will fall to Earth in
about 2,000 Years.

Nope.

Now isn't it nice for the well informed President of the United States to
waist all our time in telling us that it will fall down on Earth but not
when? Yes it is -
because he just wants all of us non US Hivers to believe that Hubble is
Dead!

Well I say that someone soon is going to be up there in a non US Space
Craft (maybe mine) and they are going to say "turn off the propulsion
because I am
going to fix it" wait a minute..didn't that thing move yesterday? Why yes
it did. Well maybe just the propulsion is working on this dam thing.

Ohtay.

It doesn't work that well anyways since there is absolutely nothing wrong
with the International Hubble Telescope and if you US Hivers don't stop
calling a
United States Telescope I am going to drag your sorry ass into the world
Court and then you might even see a fair trial for once for a US Citizen!

LOL.

For more on Hubble - check out my Web Site

I am thinking you know Guth.

http://www.user.dccnet.com/vtrade/hubble.html

Yep.

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Daniel
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Mount Charleston, not Charleston, SC

"Charleston" wrote in message news:SEMOb.38511$Ar1.22891@fed1read04...
"VTrade" wrote:

When did Hubble break down? Just when the controversy over its ownership
started.

I say Hubble is not only alive and well but probably looking out at the
Stars right now. Even if it isn't it is in a Geosycronous orbital path at
96,000 miles above the Earth. Trust me - I know!

Geosynchronous orbit is about 22.5K miles and the Hubble is in low earth
orbit (around 300 miles or so). Chandra flies in an elliptical orbit
roughly close to your 96K mile reference. .Is that what you are referring
to?

This means that at the current rate of decay - it will fall to Earth in
about 2,000 Years.


I'm pretty sure most people have no idea where exactly things are and
about the distances involved...


If Hubble were in GEO (36,000km) we couldn't have even reached it for
servicing before. No person has ventured out into space further than
around 550km in the last 30 years. They may have flown past the
Moon's far side once, but that was long ago. Every endeavour since
then has meant splashing around on the beach, just a bit off-shore.

Bush addressed this fact in his speech.

From that alone you can deduce that Hubble must be orbiting quite
close. *People* went there after it.



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"Charleston" wrote in message news:SEMOb.38511$Ar1.22891@fed1read04...
"VTrade" wrote:

When did Hubble break down? Just when the controversy over its ownership
started.

I say Hubble is not only alive and well but probably looking out at the
Stars right now. Even if it isn't it is in a Geosycronous orbital path at
96,000 miles above the Earth. Trust me - I know!

Geosynchronous orbit is about 22.5K miles and the Hubble is in low earth
orbit (around 300 miles or so). Chandra flies in an elliptical orbit
roughly close to your 96K mile reference. .Is that what you are referring
to?

This means that at the current rate of decay - it will fall to Earth in
about 2,000 Years.

I'm pretty sure most people have no idea where exactly things are and
about the distances involved...

If Hubble were in GEO (36,000km) we couldn't have even reached it for
servicing before. No person has ventured out into space further than
around 550km in the last 30 years. They may have flown past the
Moon's far side once, but that was long ago. Every endeavour since
then has meant splashing around on the beach, just a bit off-shore.

Bush addressed this fact in his speech.

From that alone you can deduce that Hubble must be orbiting quite
close. *People* went there after it.

If the US abandons Hubble can another country claim the salvage rights
to it? Maybe this is why the US would rather deorbit it than place it in
a higher orbit for safe keeping.


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If the US abandons Hubble can another country claim the salvage rights
to it? Maybe this is why the US would rather deorbit it than place it in
a higher orbit for safe keeping.

No. There's really no concept of salvage rights in space since there's
really no way to abandon something (legally) in space.



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"Greg D. Moore \" ) writes:
"starman" wrote in message
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If the US abandons Hubble can another country claim the salvage rights
to it? Maybe this is why the US would rather deorbit it than place it in
a higher orbit for safe keeping.

No. There's really no concept of salvage rights in space since there's
really no way to abandon something (legally) in space.

Besides, no one else has a vehicle that can take aboard something the
size of the HST, and return it to the ground...

Andre

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"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" wrote:

"starman" wrote in message
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If the US abandons Hubble can another country claim the salvage rights
to it? Maybe this is why the US would rather deorbit it than place it in
a higher orbit for safe keeping.

No. There's really no concept of salvage rights in space since there's
really no way to abandon something (legally) in space.

The more you think about it, space law can get really tricky. For
example, if another country had the ability to service Hubble and wanted
to use it after the US was committed to shutting it down, would that
country have to get permission from the US for this use? If that country
did need permission but appropriated the use of Hubble without
permission, what could the US do? Perhaps the best way to avoid these
situations is to deorbit it.

BTW- What is the best guess about how large a space telescope (mirror
size) the US military currently has in orbit? Has anyone from a company
like Perkin-Elmer ever talked about the mirrors they've made for Uncle
Sam?


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starman wrote in :

"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" wrote:

"starman" wrote in message
...

If the US abandons Hubble can another country claim the salvage
rights to it? Maybe this is why the US would rather deorbit it than
place it in a higher orbit for safe keeping.

No. There's really no concept of salvage rights in space since
there's really no way to abandon something (legally) in space.

The more you think about it, space law can get really tricky. For
example, if another country had the ability to service Hubble and
wanted to use it after the US was committed to shutting it down, would
that country have to get permission from the US for this use?

Yes, absolutely they do, under Article 8 of the Outer Space Treaty of 1967.

If that
country did need permission but appropriated the use of Hubble without
permission, what could the US do?

The US could seize assets, freeze bank accounts, impose limited trade
sanctions... there are lots of options. And you don't have to go very far
back in history to find examples, either.

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