Another source of light pollution

On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 12:24:58 PM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 10:49:14 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
wrote:

But yet the society at the time authorized the practice with its
laws.

Of course. Because these people had fewer rights, which was reflected
by the law.

No, the law *caused* them to have fewer legal rights. It did not
affect their human rights, it just meant the government was
responsible for violating their human rights in so doing.

Thus, they had equal rights, which the law criminally failed to
reflect.

John Savard

On Thu, 1 Feb 2018 11:56:28 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
wrote:

On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 12:24:58 PM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 10:49:14 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
wrote:

But yet the society at the time authorized the practice with its
laws.

Of course. Because these people had fewer rights, which was reflected
by the law.

No, the law *caused* them to have fewer legal rights.

Agreed. Because rights are ultimately defined by laws.

It did not
affect their human rights...

It defined their human rights.

Thus, they had equal rights, which the law criminally failed to
reflect.

In plenty of societies people don't have equal rights. Indeed, that's
the historical norm. What we now have may turn out to be nothing but
an aberration.

Chris L Peterson wrote in
:

On Thu, 1 Feb 2018 11:56:28 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
wrote:

On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 12:24:58 PM UTC-7, Chris L
Peterson wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 10:49:14 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
wrote:

But yet the society at the time authorized the practice with
its laws.

Of course. Because these people had fewer rights, which was
reflected by the law.

No, the law *caused* them to have fewer legal rights.

Agreed. Because rights are ultimately defined by laws.

So, when you said that just because the law defined certain rights,
they weren't rights in your opinion, but now, you agree that rights
are defined by laws.

Can't keep your bull**** straight from one post to the next, eh?

--
Terry Austin

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-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

On Thu, 01 Feb 2018 13:19:56 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
wrote:

Chris L Peterson wrote in
:

On Thu, 1 Feb 2018 11:56:28 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
wrote:

On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 12:24:58 PM UTC-7, Chris L
Peterson wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 10:49:14 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
wrote:

But yet the society at the time authorized the practice with
its laws.

Of course. Because these people had fewer rights, which was
reflected by the law.

No, the law *caused* them to have fewer legal rights.

Agreed. Because rights are ultimately defined by laws.

So, when you said that just because the law defined certain rights,
they weren't rights in your opinion, but now, you agree that rights
are defined by laws.

I didn't say that they weren't rights in my opinion.

Chris L Peterson wrote in
:

On Thu, 01 Feb 2018 13:19:56 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Kujisalimisha wrote:

Chris L Peterson wrote in
m:

On Thu, 1 Feb 2018 11:56:28 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
wrote:

On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 12:24:58 PM UTC-7, Chris L
Peterson wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 10:49:14 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
wrote:

But yet the society at the time authorized the practice
with its laws.

Of course. Because these people had fewer rights, which was
reflected by the law.

No, the law *caused* them to have fewer legal rights.

Agreed. Because rights are ultimately defined by laws.

So, when you said that just because the law defined certain
rights, they weren't rights in your opinion, but now, you agree
that rights are defined by laws.

I didn't say that they weren't rights in my opinion.

Yes. You did.

Maybe you should drink less while posting to Usenet. A *lot* less.

--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

On Thu, 01 Feb 2018 14:39:33 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
wrote:

I didn't say that they weren't rights in my opinion.

Yes. You did.

Not much I can do if your reading comprehension can't keep up with a
discussion of a non-trivial nature.

Chris L Peterson wrote in
:

On Thu, 01 Feb 2018 14:39:33 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Kujisalimisha wrote:

I didn't say that they weren't rights in my opinion.

Yes. You did.

Not much I can do if your reading comprehension can't keep up
with a discussion of a non-trivial nature.

I know you are, but what am I?

--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

On Thursday, February 1, 2018 at 1:56:03 PM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Thu, 1 Feb 2018 11:56:28 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
wrote:
On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 12:24:58 PM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 10:49:14 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
wrote:

But yet the society at the time authorized the practice with its
laws.

Of course. Because these people had fewer rights, which was reflected
by the law.

No, the law *caused* them to have fewer legal rights.

Agreed. Because rights are ultimately defined by laws.

It did not
affect their human rights...

It defined their human rights.

No. Human rights and legal rights are two different things.

Otherwise, we would have no way of saying that slavery was wrong
then, no way of saying why it would be a bad idea to reintroduce
it now.

John Savard

On Thu, 1 Feb 2018 18:57:18 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
wrote:
No. Human rights and legal rights are two different things.

Otherwise, we would have no way of saying that slavery was wrong
then, no way of saying why it would be a bad idea to reintroduce
it now.

Today slavery is illegal, in all countries of the world. That's one
reason why it would be a bad idea to keep slaves.

But you do have a point: from where do we get the idea about how to
change the laws?

In science there is a similar problem: how do we decide what to
investigate scientifically? We don't have resources to investigate
everything.

On Thu, 1 Feb 2018 18:57:18 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
wrote:

No. Human rights and legal rights are two different things.

Not really. If rights are not legally defended they don't exist. They
aren't rights, they're just claims.

Otherwise, we would have no way of saying that slavery was wrong
then, no way of saying why it would be a bad idea to reintroduce
it now.

Slavery isn't wrong in any universal way. In some societies it's been
morally good, essential for the survival of the society.

(I'm always amused in discussions about ethics when people bring up
slavery. It demonstrates the profound cultural bias people have on the
subject these days. A bias that would have not been understood at all
throughout most of history, in most cultures, where slavery was a
simple norm. It's not unlike people automatically bringing up Hitler
as the embodiment of evil.)