Children with guns

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 2:53:58 PM UTC, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 15:57:50 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 6:27:46 PM UTC-5, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 14:56:31 -0800 (PST), wsnell01 wrote:

Is your property a gun-free zone, peterson?

Most certainly not.

Why not, hypocrite?


Because...

I support the right of people to own firearms,
subject to reasonable regulation.

No, you don't. You support your own right to own firearms.

I guess you have fun just making this **** up out of the blue.

You pair have an unhealthy dependency going on however you do raise the issue about conjuring up things out of thin air.

"For to the earth planetary motions appear sometimes direct, sometimes
stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun they are
always seen direct,..." Newton

You disappeared quickly from a thread containing the main astronomical arguments for the Earth's orbital motion between Venus and Mars by virtue that we see all planets move in the same direction around the Sun with the outer planets temporarily falling behind in view due to the faster orbital motion of the Earth.

You are just another empirical drone lost in a wordplay Newton created but at least his scheme can be dealt with with confidence and competence in that he conjured up an absolute/relative space and motion out of his hideous misuse of heliocentric reasoning -

"It is indeed a matter of great difficulty to discover, and
effectually to distinguish, the true motion of particular bodies from
the apparent; because the parts of that absolute space, in which those
motions are performed, do by no means come under the observation of
our senses. Yet the thing is not altogether desperate; for we have
some arguments to guide us, partly from the apparent motions, which
are the differences of the true motions" Newton

Behind all those centuries of take-my-word-for-it are people who know next to nothing about astronomy and that includes you and your cowboy hat.

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 10:26:44 AM UTC-5, oriel36 wrote:
On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 2:53:58 PM UTC, Chris L Peterson wrote:

I guess you have fun just making this **** up out of the blue.

You pair have an unhealthy dependency going on however you do raise the issue about conjuring up things out of thin air.

Both you and peterson appear to be unhealthy. You might actually be the saner of the two.

I assure readers here that I would prefer to be hung upside down by my balls and set on fire than engage in a correspondence with mediocrity as life is too short and too many are clamoring for attention.

If observers wish to descend to mediocre nonsense rather than face technical discussions then so be it but there is a heavy price to pay for clinging to social/political commentaries while ignoring the purpose of this forum is actually about an observant person and what they see when they look out into the grand celestial arena.

There is hope for those who have suffered an indoctrination through schools and as kids by virtue that the latent faculties that are unused due to the dominance of meaningless drivel inherited from another era stir when imaging is brought into view. I have no doubt whatsoever that people do appreciate the Earth's orbital motion accounting for the observation as Jupiter and Saturn fall behind in view as they are being overtaken and the delight of recognizing that this is what provides the major insight behind a Sun-centered system -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0112/JuSa2000_tezel.gif

Children with sums are just as dangerous as children with guns because they eventually infect the next generation through the education system.

On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 07:23:20 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 9:53:58 AM UTC-5, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 15:57:50 -0800 (PST), wsnell01 wrote:

On Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 6:27:46 PM UTC-5, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 14:56:31 -0800 (PST), wsnell01 wrote:

Is your property a gun-free zone, peterson?

Most certainly not.

Why not, hypocrite?


Because...

I support the right of people to own firearms,
subject to reasonable regulation.

No, you don't. You support your own right to own firearms.

I guess you have fun just making this **** up out of the blue.

So you are saying that you DON'T support your own right to own firearms, peterson?

I support the right of all competent, qualified people to own
firearms.

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 10:16:37 AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 07:23:20 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 9:53:58 AM UTC-5, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 15:57:50 -0800 (PST), wsnell01 wrote:

On Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 6:27:46 PM UTC-5, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 14:56:31 -0800 (PST), wsnell01 wrote:

Is your property a gun-free zone, peterson?

Most certainly not.

Why not, hypocrite?


Because...

I support the right of people to own firearms,
subject to reasonable regulation.

No, you don't. You support your own right to own firearms.

I guess you have fun just making this **** up out of the blue.

So you are saying that you DON'T support your own right to own firearms, peterson?

I support the right of all competent, qualified people to own
firearms.

Do you support the right of all dictatorships to arm themselves with weapons made by our US military-industrial complex? How about unlimited arms for the US? We are the world's largest arms dealer. We promote militarism, not democracy. We spend obscene amounts on the military and allow basic needs of our people to go unmet. Eisenhower pointed this out quite clearly.

We could easily cut our defense budget in half and still have the most powerful military in the world, bar none. That wasted half could be used for real progress in this country, fixing decaying infrastructure (Flint water system comes to mind), health care for all, advanced education for young people so we can compete with other industrialized nations, the list goes on and on.

On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 17:24:59 -0800 (PST), boisenberry
wrote:

Do you support the right of all dictatorships to arm themselves with weapons made by our US military-industrial complex?

Rights are what people claim for themselves and defend. If they claim
that right, so be it. That doesn't mean that I support my government,
or corporations created by my government, selling or otherwise
providing arms as freely as they do.

How about unlimited arms for the US? We are the world's largest arms dealer. We promote militarism, not democracy. We spend obscene amounts on the military and allow basic needs of our people to go unmet. Eisenhower pointed this out quite clearly.

I largely agree.

We could easily cut our defense budget in half and still have the most powerful military in the world, bar none. That wasted half could be used for real progress in this country, fixing decaying infrastructure (Flint water system comes to mind), health care for all, advanced education for young people so we can compete with other industrialized nations, the list goes on and on.

I think it could be reduced by 90%. Because our economy and the
military are so intricately linked, such a shift would need to be
adopted over a long time- several decades at least. But it would be
wonderful to head in that direction. One reason so many other
developed nations are more successful than the U.S. is because they
don't have the enormous waste of bloated militaries.

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 11:16:37 AM UTC-5, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 07:23:20 -0800 (PST), wsnell01 wrote:

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 9:53:58 AM UTC-5, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 15:57:50 -0800 (PST), wsnell01 wrote:

On Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 6:27:46 PM UTC-5, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 14:56:31 -0800 (PST), wsnell01 wrote:

Is your property a gun-free zone, peterson?

Most certainly not.

Why not, hypocrite?


Because...

I support the right of people to own firearms,
subject to reasonable regulation.

No, you don't. You support your own right to own firearms.

I guess you have fun just making this **** up out of the blue.

So you are saying that you DON'T support your own right to own firearms, peterson?

I support the right of all competent, qualified people to own
firearms.

Then you shouldn't have any firearms.

On Wednesday, 3 February 2016 02:08:00 UTC-5, Chris.B wrote:
On Wednesday, 3 February 2016 06:47:56 UTC+1, Quadibloc wrote:
On Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 3:56:32 PM UTC-7, wrote:

There that's term "reasonable," which you don't understand. What is reasonable
to a fascist might not be reasonable to a persecuted minority.

Well, if it takes fascism to think it's reasonable to prevent mental patients from
buying assault rifles, I suppose there would be a lot of fascists around.

John Savard

The "minorities + drug dealers + gangs" problem is skillfully manufactured and managed as a US resource. Poor schools = poor education. Poor healthcare = debt + fear of unmanageable health bills. Poverty + poor housing + social isolation = resentment, adaptation and survival tactics.

Yes, the poor, poor pilloried "visible" minorities, right? Then EXPLAIN why Orientals and East Asians have done so well in such an "oppressive" situation.
This tired B.S. about blaming racism and the system just does not wash anymore and hasn't for some time.

On Tuesday, February 9, 2016 at 1:18:48 AM UTC-5, RichA wrote:
On Wednesday, 3 February 2016 02:08:00 UTC-5, Chris.B wrote:
On Wednesday, 3 February 2016 06:47:56 UTC+1, Quadibloc wrote:
On Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 3:56:32 PM UTC-7, wsne... wrote:

There that's term "reasonable," which you don't understand. What is reasonable
to a fascist might not be reasonable to a persecuted minority.

Well, if it takes fascism to think it's reasonable to prevent mental patients from
buying assault rifles, I suppose there would be a lot of fascists around.

John Savard

The "minorities + drug dealers + gangs" problem is skillfully manufactured and managed as a US resource. Poor schools = poor education. Poor healthcare = debt + fear of unmanageable health bills. Poverty + poor housing + social isolation = resentment, adaptation and survival tactics.

Yes, the poor, poor pilloried "visible" minorities, right? Then EXPLAIN why Orientals and East Asians have done so well in such an "oppressive" situation.

Asian immigrants are a self-selected group that is smarter/harder working?
Asian-Americans are more likely to home school their children?
Asian-Americans are more likely to make their children do their homework?
Asian-American children seem to like science and math?
Asian-Americans buy their children Newtonians and SCTs rather than overpriced refractors? ;-)

(Trying to stay on topic.)