Another "Pole Shift" Chicken Little surfaces

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 08:05:21 -0600, "C.R. Osterwald"
wrote:

In article , Wally
Anglesea wrote:

"Dr_Postman" wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 03:38:42 -0500, "Bookman"
wrote:


"Dr_Postman" wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 02:39:47 GMT, "Wally Anglesea"
wrote:


"Yoda" , a topposting moron,wrote in
message

et.cable.rogers.com...
Face it Wally, go back to the other newsgroups where you post
bull****
all over the place and stick to what you do best..bull****.

Nope, I'll stay right here and call you as you are, kook.



Yea, I look at this trolls posting history. He's an angry little
****, ain't he?

Has he ever been nominated for an award?

The "AFA-B Thick as a Brick Award"
The AFA-B Angstrom Award and Medal for Advances in
HyperdelusionalPhysics" (in honor of Richard CEEE Hoaxland):
The Green Lantern Award for Projection":
The "Ed Conrad Memorial Brain of Stone" award,
A Meritorious achievment award for not just stupidity,
but notable clinging to a stupid notion despite repeated
demonstrations of that notion's ko0kiness.
The "AFAB Cleopatra" Award:

HTH,


I hereby nominate "Yoda" for the Hyperdelusional Physics Award, since
he is a big fan of Hoagland's theories.

Seconded

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- Grant,on the GLP web board, explains to us how
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On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:38:25 GMT, Yoda
wrote:

Yeah and I guess you can't take simple advice because of course as we
already know, you are, must be a ****n' dumbass.

Everyone but you is a dumbass because we won't believe that you
are able to get God to shut down spacecraft.


C.R. Osterwald wrote:

In article , Sovereign Sockpuppet©
wrote:


"Dr_Postman" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:43:26 -0400, "Sovereign Sockpuppet©"
wrote:


"Dr_Postman" wrote in message
om...

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 02:39:47 GMT, "Wally Anglesea"
wrote:


"Yoda" , a topposting moron,wrote in

message

s.net.cable.rogers.com...

Face it Wally, go back to the other newsgroups where you post

bull****

all over the place and stick to what you do best..bull****.

Nope, I'll stay right here and call you as you are, kook.

Yeah, because you are nothing but ****n' dumbass with nothing better to
do and nothing original to put forward into any debate. Retard.

When you start backing up your claims with something other than
insults you will amaze many.







Yea, I look at this trolls posting history. He's an angry little
****, ain't he?

No more or less than your type of ilk dumbass.

I take it back. You aren't angry, you're mad.




Has he ever been nominated for an award?


He probably qualifies for a few of them. Who tracks the free entries in

the

ko0k-kard deck? That might be a good entry level award for him.


I thought he seemed familiar.

Familiar to you because you are a stupid troll with nothing new to say
and spend all your time insulting people online. Hypocrite.

Hurts to be so exposed, doesn't it?



It seems that our "Yoda" has quite
a history of kookery on Usenet, mainly as Brian Sterling:
http://tinyurl.com/6xtl8 He seems quite the raving antisemite

You're a stupid little **** aint you. I am Jewish you ****in moron.
What a joke!

Self loathing, especially with crazy people, is not uncommon.



as
well, thinking that he is some sort of God's anointed messenger.
You're a joke, nothing but a joke. My dumbass dog is smarter than you.

I guess he's not a troll, just nuts.


Wow, you actually spent time looking me up. Hypocrites like you don't
like it when someone dishes back to you the same bull**** you put out.
I hope idiots like you are happy with yourself, obliviousness is all you
will ever receive for your reward.

It took me a couple of minutes to find out what a kook you are.



How ironic... he's a UFO ko0k and yet he says "A word to the wise, look at
the evidence before you open your big mouth." in http://tinyurl.com/3r5vu

I suppose anyone who uses the word UFO is a kook in your insane noggin.
Big ****in' deal. Dumbass.

No, but people who claim to be able to have supernatural beings affect
spacecraft are nuttier than a fruitcake.



Oh dear, perhaps I was a bit too hasty in my suspicions of YAET.
Gunshy, I guess.


-=-=-=-=-

The captions below say it all about the mental state of this person.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?J62E246D8


Completely unoriginal, completely a sychophant little whining baby who
can't stand it to see others hold different opinions. His little world
when it comes crashing down, will result him him most likely going on a
killing rampage somewhere down south, and we'll hear about it on the
news after the SWAT has a bullet between his eyes.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?J62E246D8





--
Dr.Postman USPS, MBMC, BsD; "Disgruntled, But Unarmed"
Member,Board of Directors of afa-b, SKEP-TI-CULT® member #15-51506-253.
You can email me at: TuriFake(at)hotmail.com

"Did the Venus transit occur during sunset, idiot?"
- Grant,on the GLP web board, explains to us how
sunrise happens in NY and Asia at the same time.

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:38:25 GMT, Yoda
wrote:

Yeah and I guess you can't take simple advice because of course as we
already know, you are, must be a ****n' dumbass.

Everyone but you is a dumbass because we won't believe that you
are able to get God to shut down spacecraft.


C.R. Osterwald wrote:

In article , Sovereign Sockpuppet©
wrote:


"Dr_Postman" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:43:26 -0400, "Sovereign Sockpuppet©"
wrote:


"Dr_Postman" wrote in message
om...

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 02:39:47 GMT, "Wally Anglesea"
wrote:


"Yoda" , a topposting moron,wrote in

message

s.net.cable.rogers.com...

Face it Wally, go back to the other newsgroups where you post

bull****

all over the place and stick to what you do best..bull****.

Nope, I'll stay right here and call you as you are, kook.

Yeah, because you are nothing but ****n' dumbass with nothing better to
do and nothing original to put forward into any debate. Retard.

When you start backing up your claims with something other than
insults you will amaze many.







Yea, I look at this trolls posting history. He's an angry little
****, ain't he?

No more or less than your type of ilk dumbass.

I take it back. You aren't angry, you're mad.




Has he ever been nominated for an award?


He probably qualifies for a few of them. Who tracks the free entries in

the

ko0k-kard deck? That might be a good entry level award for him.


I thought he seemed familiar.

Familiar to you because you are a stupid troll with nothing new to say
and spend all your time insulting people online. Hypocrite.

Hurts to be so exposed, doesn't it?



It seems that our "Yoda" has quite
a history of kookery on Usenet, mainly as Brian Sterling:
http://tinyurl.com/6xtl8 He seems quite the raving antisemite

You're a stupid little **** aint you. I am Jewish you ****in moron.
What a joke!

Self loathing, especially with crazy people, is not uncommon.



as
well, thinking that he is some sort of God's anointed messenger.
You're a joke, nothing but a joke. My dumbass dog is smarter than you.

I guess he's not a troll, just nuts.


Wow, you actually spent time looking me up. Hypocrites like you don't
like it when someone dishes back to you the same bull**** you put out.
I hope idiots like you are happy with yourself, obliviousness is all you
will ever receive for your reward.

It took me a couple of minutes to find out what a kook you are.



How ironic... he's a UFO ko0k and yet he says "A word to the wise, look at
the evidence before you open your big mouth." in http://tinyurl.com/3r5vu

I suppose anyone who uses the word UFO is a kook in your insane noggin.
Big ****in' deal. Dumbass.

No, but people who claim to be able to have supernatural beings affect
spacecraft are nuttier than a fruitcake.



Oh dear, perhaps I was a bit too hasty in my suspicions of YAET.
Gunshy, I guess.


-=-=-=-=-

The captions below say it all about the mental state of this person.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?J62E246D8


Completely unoriginal, completely a sychophant little whining baby who
can't stand it to see others hold different opinions. His little world
when it comes crashing down, will result him him most likely going on a
killing rampage somewhere down south, and we'll hear about it on the
news after the SWAT has a bullet between his eyes.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?J62E246D8





--
Dr.Postman USPS, MBMC, BsD; "Disgruntled, But Unarmed"
Member,Board of Directors of afa-b, SKEP-TI-CULT® member #15-51506-253.
You can email me at: TuriFake(at)hotmail.com

"Did the Venus transit occur during sunset, idiot?"
- Grant,on the GLP web board, explains to us how
sunrise happens in NY and Asia at the same time.

"Yoda" wrote in message
. rogers.com...
snip
No wonder I and most people I know can't stand Usenet.
snip

So aside from trolling for sport, why do you post here? I am sure you can
find much more intellectually stimulating content on AOL.

BV.

"Yoda" wrote in message
. rogers.com...
snip
No wonder I and most people I know can't stand Usenet.
snip

So aside from trolling for sport, why do you post here? I am sure you can
find much more intellectually stimulating content on AOL.

BV.

Dr_Postman wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:38:25 GMT, Yoda
wrote:


Yeah and I guess you can't take simple advice because of course as we
already know, you are, must be a ****n' dumbass.


Everyone but you is a dumbass because we won't believe that you
are able to get God to shut down spacecraft.


What you or other dimwits believe is not my concern, you are confusing
with fundamentalist preachers. No surprise there though, evil people
are generally quite confused about alot of things.

So then explain how SOHO managed to start up again? Please explain also
why Beagle failed as well as the Russian Mars probe. I guess I must be
delusional in your insane view, even though I specifically remember
asking God to disallow the arrogance of mankind to spread its evil
sickness to Mars. In fact I told someone on this newsgroup before
Beagle failed that if NASA (in other words the world governments) are
lying about the ET reality to thepublic that they really don't deserve
to steal 'discovery' or travel for that matter in to space. God agreed
with me on Beagle and may do so on other spacecraft.

Sorry you lose.

Dr_Postman wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:38:25 GMT, Yoda
wrote:


Yeah and I guess you can't take simple advice because of course as we
already know, you are, must be a ****n' dumbass.


Everyone but you is a dumbass because we won't believe that you
are able to get God to shut down spacecraft.


What you or other dimwits believe is not my concern, you are confusing
with fundamentalist preachers. No surprise there though, evil people
are generally quite confused about alot of things.

So then explain how SOHO managed to start up again? Please explain also
why Beagle failed as well as the Russian Mars probe. I guess I must be
delusional in your insane view, even though I specifically remember
asking God to disallow the arrogance of mankind to spread its evil
sickness to Mars. In fact I told someone on this newsgroup before
Beagle failed that if NASA (in other words the world governments) are
lying about the ET reality to thepublic that they really don't deserve
to steal 'discovery' or travel for that matter in to space. God agreed
with me on Beagle and may do so on other spacecraft.

Sorry you lose.

Yoda wrote:



Tom McDonald wrote:

spam this wrote:

"Double-A" wrote in message
om...

Wally Anglesea? wrote in



message . ..
. For instance if a north pole formed over New York City, solar

wind radiation would be funneled right down onto the people of New
York.





So, there is the possibility of REALLY GOOD NEWS. Now, if we could just
inch it down between Baltimore and Richmond.........

But seriously folks, doesn't the geological data indicate that the polar
shift is an end for end swap? For the same reason I don't know why the
shhift would be random, I don't know why it would not be end for end.



AFAIK, when the shift is over, it's basically end for end.
However, in the run-up, there are weird magnetic anomalies that spring
up at odd places. Or probably not so odd, just related to geology
that I'm not up on.

IIRC, there was a magnetic anomaly forming in the eastern Atlantic
near Africa; but I'm really open to correction on this.

Tom McDonald


What if the current height of Manchu Picchu in Peru

Are you suggesting that the mountain on which Machu Picchu
stands was uplifted long ago, or that it was uplifted after the
city was built?

as well as frozen
wooly Mammoths found in Siberia is evidence of a previous so called
polar shift?

To which specific woolly mammoths are you referring? The ones
we've found are from a wide range of dates, from over 40,000 ybp
to about 10,000 ybp. Whatever acted to preserve them was not a
one-shot affair such as your suggested pole shift.

I have heard it said that Manchu Picchu was heaved up
during the last shift,

Where did you hear that? Can you either give a reference, or
describe the event in some detail?

and that only a massive "heat sink" can account
for the near perfectly preserved Mammoth discovered frozen.

Can you explain what you mean by a massive heat sink? Then
could you explain why such a heat sink would preserve mammoths?
Then could you explain why such a heat sink would not preserve
the entire contemporary eco system as well as the mammoths?

As others have noted, the preservation of the mammoths is quite
variable, and 'nearly perfectly preserved' (npp) is not defined.
Would you consider 'npp' a mammoth that has its skin, bones
and some flesh present, but whose inner organs have decayed? Or
would you consider 'npp' a mammoth of which we only have some
parts of the skin and hair? If you could define what you mean
by 'npp', then we could communicate with better clarity.


Also wouldn't the tectonic plates all over the world begin to shift or
slide as the magnetic grid begins to loosen leading up to and prior to a
cataclysmic polar reversal?

I don't see why they should. The movement of tectonic plates is
caused by the movement of magma underneath the plates. The
major contributor to this movement is convection currents in the
magma, which TTBOMK are at best only weakly affected by the
magnetic field.

I suspect a case could be made that the odd changes in the
magma that cause magnetic anomalies that seem to presage a
magnetic pole shift show a correlation between the stability of
the magnetic field and convection currents in the magma; but
since changes are already happening with those two variables and
yet there seems to be no appreciable change in the movement of
the plates, I'd have to think (without better information) that
magnetic changes don't do much to crustal plate movement.

Perhaps there is a cubic function to the
mantle of the earth and if predictions are accurate, worldwide
earthquakes will occur like the ringing of a crystal with many facets,
and increasingly grow in magnatude until a critical threshold is
reached, whereupon the potential magnetic torque is released from the
polar areas causing the earth's mantle to slide into a whole new stellar
alignment. Such an instanteneous collapse of the earth's core releasing
massive tons of magnetic torque forces upon the mantle should not be
confused with mere polar "wanderings" yes?

I'm sorry. I can't make heads or tails out of this. Can you
explain it in a more rigorous way, please?


How else other than "instanteneous" polar reversal, where by extreme
pressures cause near next to or instant collapse or "heat" sinking in
some areas and rising in others, could we explain or account for
perfectly preserved (and engineered level tested) or horizontal
artifical structures and ancient masive pyramidal platforms existing
under water off the coast of Japan and Cuba?

http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence...clonezone.html


www.teamatlantis.com

The Yonaguni 'pyramids' appear to be natural land forms, made
when the rock was at sea level. A TV program that showed Dr.
Schoch going to investigate them showed a section of the coast
near the 'pyramids' that was being eroded by the sea into
precisely the same formations that the underwater 'pyramids'
show. Schoch notice that himself, and it was one of the
elements of his analysis that led him to the conclusion that the
formations are natural.

It may be that humans were present on the old coastline when
the 'pyramids' now under water were above sea level (probably in
the late Pleistocene, when sea levels were as much as 300 feet
or more lower than they are now. If so, they may have made some
of the carvings (e.g.: the 'face') that so intrigue us today.
In any case, there is no evidence that the Yonaguni 'pyramids'
were built by humans, and much evidence that they are natural
features.


Might we add the recent discoveries of sunken structures and cities
found in the Meditteraean and other areas?


Perhaps you would give some specific discoveries, and some
references to them, for us to consider?

Everything in your post was phrased in 'what-if' or 'I've heard
from someone else' terms. Do you have any positions of your own
on these issues. I'd like to know what you think, and what
you've found persuasive.

Tom McDonald

Yoda wrote:



Tom McDonald wrote:

spam this wrote:

"Double-A" wrote in message
om...

Wally Anglesea? wrote in



message . ..
. For instance if a north pole formed over New York City, solar

wind radiation would be funneled right down onto the people of New
York.





So, there is the possibility of REALLY GOOD NEWS. Now, if we could just
inch it down between Baltimore and Richmond.........

But seriously folks, doesn't the geological data indicate that the polar
shift is an end for end swap? For the same reason I don't know why the
shhift would be random, I don't know why it would not be end for end.



AFAIK, when the shift is over, it's basically end for end.
However, in the run-up, there are weird magnetic anomalies that spring
up at odd places. Or probably not so odd, just related to geology
that I'm not up on.

IIRC, there was a magnetic anomaly forming in the eastern Atlantic
near Africa; but I'm really open to correction on this.

Tom McDonald


What if the current height of Manchu Picchu in Peru

Are you suggesting that the mountain on which Machu Picchu
stands was uplifted long ago, or that it was uplifted after the
city was built?

as well as frozen
wooly Mammoths found in Siberia is evidence of a previous so called
polar shift?

To which specific woolly mammoths are you referring? The ones
we've found are from a wide range of dates, from over 40,000 ybp
to about 10,000 ybp. Whatever acted to preserve them was not a
one-shot affair such as your suggested pole shift.

I have heard it said that Manchu Picchu was heaved up
during the last shift,

Where did you hear that? Can you either give a reference, or
describe the event in some detail?

and that only a massive "heat sink" can account
for the near perfectly preserved Mammoth discovered frozen.

Can you explain what you mean by a massive heat sink? Then
could you explain why such a heat sink would preserve mammoths?
Then could you explain why such a heat sink would not preserve
the entire contemporary eco system as well as the mammoths?

As others have noted, the preservation of the mammoths is quite
variable, and 'nearly perfectly preserved' (npp) is not defined.
Would you consider 'npp' a mammoth that has its skin, bones
and some flesh present, but whose inner organs have decayed? Or
would you consider 'npp' a mammoth of which we only have some
parts of the skin and hair? If you could define what you mean
by 'npp', then we could communicate with better clarity.


Also wouldn't the tectonic plates all over the world begin to shift or
slide as the magnetic grid begins to loosen leading up to and prior to a
cataclysmic polar reversal?

I don't see why they should. The movement of tectonic plates is
caused by the movement of magma underneath the plates. The
major contributor to this movement is convection currents in the
magma, which TTBOMK are at best only weakly affected by the
magnetic field.

I suspect a case could be made that the odd changes in the
magma that cause magnetic anomalies that seem to presage a
magnetic pole shift show a correlation between the stability of
the magnetic field and convection currents in the magma; but
since changes are already happening with those two variables and
yet there seems to be no appreciable change in the movement of
the plates, I'd have to think (without better information) that
magnetic changes don't do much to crustal plate movement.

Perhaps there is a cubic function to the
mantle of the earth and if predictions are accurate, worldwide
earthquakes will occur like the ringing of a crystal with many facets,
and increasingly grow in magnatude until a critical threshold is
reached, whereupon the potential magnetic torque is released from the
polar areas causing the earth's mantle to slide into a whole new stellar
alignment. Such an instanteneous collapse of the earth's core releasing
massive tons of magnetic torque forces upon the mantle should not be
confused with mere polar "wanderings" yes?

I'm sorry. I can't make heads or tails out of this. Can you
explain it in a more rigorous way, please?


How else other than "instanteneous" polar reversal, where by extreme
pressures cause near next to or instant collapse or "heat" sinking in
some areas and rising in others, could we explain or account for
perfectly preserved (and engineered level tested) or horizontal
artifical structures and ancient masive pyramidal platforms existing
under water off the coast of Japan and Cuba?

http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence...clonezone.html


www.teamatlantis.com

The Yonaguni 'pyramids' appear to be natural land forms, made
when the rock was at sea level. A TV program that showed Dr.
Schoch going to investigate them showed a section of the coast
near the 'pyramids' that was being eroded by the sea into
precisely the same formations that the underwater 'pyramids'
show. Schoch notice that himself, and it was one of the
elements of his analysis that led him to the conclusion that the
formations are natural.

It may be that humans were present on the old coastline when
the 'pyramids' now under water were above sea level (probably in
the late Pleistocene, when sea levels were as much as 300 feet
or more lower than they are now. If so, they may have made some
of the carvings (e.g.: the 'face') that so intrigue us today.
In any case, there is no evidence that the Yonaguni 'pyramids'
were built by humans, and much evidence that they are natural
features.


Might we add the recent discoveries of sunken structures and cities
found in the Meditteraean and other areas?


Perhaps you would give some specific discoveries, and some
references to them, for us to consider?

Everything in your post was phrased in 'what-if' or 'I've heard
from someone else' terms. Do you have any positions of your own
on these issues. I'd like to know what you think, and what
you've found persuasive.

Tom McDonald

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 20:06:22 GMT, Yoda
wrote:



Dr_Postman wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:38:25 GMT, Yoda
wrote:


Yeah and I guess you can't take simple advice because of course as we
already know, you are, must be a ****n' dumbass.


Everyone but you is a dumbass because we won't believe that you
are able to get God to shut down spacecraft.


What you or other dimwits believe is not my concern, you are confusing
with fundamentalist preachers. No surprise there though, evil people
are generally quite confused about alot of things.

So then explain how SOHO managed to start up again? Please explain also
why Beagle failed as well as the Russian Mars probe. I guess I must be
delusional in your insane view, even though I specifically remember
asking God to disallow the arrogance of mankind to spread its evil
sickness to Mars. In fact I told someone on this newsgroup before
Beagle failed that if NASA (in other words the world governments) are
lying about the ET reality to thepublic that they really don't deserve
to steal 'discovery' or travel for that matter in to space. God agreed
with me on Beagle and may do so on other spacecraft.

Sorry you lose.



Thanks for proving my point, loony. And congrats on your nomination
for a kook award.





--
Dr.Postman USPS, MBMC, BsD; "Disgruntled, But Unarmed"
Member,Board of Directors of afa-b, SKEP-TI-CULT® member #15-51506-253.
You can email me at: TuriFake(at)hotmail.com

"Did the Venus transit occur during sunset, idiot?"
- Grant,on the GLP web board, explains to us how
sunrise happens in NY and Asia at the same time.