Another "Pole Shift" Chicken Little surfaces

On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:19:18 GMT, Yoda
wrote:



DrPostman wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 18:17:53 GMT, Yoda
wrote:



What if the current height of Manchu Picchu in Peru as well as frozen
wooly Mammoths found in Siberia is evidence of a previous so called
polar shift? I have heard it said that Manchu Picchu was heaved up
during the last shift, and that only a massive "heat sink" can account
for the near perfectly preserved Mammoth discovered frozen.


That's a total myth. None have been found "perfectly preserved".
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/mom/atlantis.html
http://www.csicop.org/sb/9603/origins.html

My my aren't we nitpicking. What I said was, near perfectly preserved.
Perhaps you should get some new glasses.

They weren't "near perfectly preserved" either. They don't even think
they can get what they need to try to clone them.



Also wouldn't the tectonic plates all over the world begin to shift or
slide as the magnetic grid begins to loosen leading up to and prior to a
cataclysmic polar reversal? Perhaps there is a cubic function to the


Somehow you are confusing magnetic reversals for the movement
of plates.

No, you are confusing magnetic reversals for tectonic plate movements.
I already know that magnetic forces can and will affect the mantle of
the earth and the tectonic plates producing earthquakes worldwide. No
land region will go unaffected by earthquakes when the reversal happens.

The flipping of the magnetic fields will take several decades, if not
centuries. This will cause no earthquakes. The two are not related.





mantle of the earth and if predictions are accurate, worldwide
earthquakes will occur like the ringing of a crystal with many facets,
and increasingly grow in magnatude until a critical threshold is
reached, whereupon the potential magnetic torque is released from the
polar areas causing the earth's mantle to slide into a whole new stellar
alignment. Such an instanteneous collapse of the earth's core releasing
massive tons of magnetic torque forces upon the mantle should not be
confused with mere polar "wanderings" yes?


Yea, because crustal displacement like that doesn't happen.

You don't have sufficient evidence to say that, and you haven't looked
at the evidence which already does exist.

You are making some silly assumptions. I have looked at the
"evidence"
and found it wanting, if not out right wrong. Care to refute the
following?
http://www.planet-x.150m.com/nopoleshift.html
http://www.pibburns.com/smmia5.htm



On top of that we have ice cores that go back over 700,000
years indicating that no crustal displacement has happened
in that time, unlike what many woo woos claim.

You are confusing crustal displacement with ice core samples.

You are confused over what ice core samples can prove.
Educate yourself:
http://www.chemistry.ohio-state.edu/...iles/frame.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/icecores.html



How else other than "instanteneous" polar reversal, where by extreme
pressures cause near next to or instant collapse or "heat" sinking in
some areas and rising in others, could we explain or account for
perfectly preserved (and engineered level tested) or horizontal
artifical structures and ancient masive pyramidal platforms existing
under water off the coast of Japan and Cuba?


There were no pyramidal shapes found at all in either location.

You are either really stupid, or just plain ignorant.

Where is your proof that there are? I saw the Hancock show, he
pointed out no pyramids. The data from the museum in Cuba that
backed the last expedition doesn't show any pyramids either (unless
I missed it in all the pics.)



As for the location in Japan, what you don't get told by the woo woo
web sites is that there are similar structures at the surface,

What you get told is what they want you to know. What you choose to
agree with depends on your sanity factor I guess. In your case, I
wouldn't be holding out the sanity award.

What I have researched seems to trump your ad hominems all to hell.


with
wave action proving how they were formed.

How utterly despicable of you to write that. There is no such proof
that you suggest, if so provide the links please, otherwise I hear the
nurse is waiting for you outside your padded room.

Sure thing, asshole:

"The Japanese sites of Yonaguni and Kerama are natural rock, with no
sign of archaeological significance. Again, I informed Hancock's film
company in June 2000 that these sites were natural, and that there
were better sites to visit. This information was ignored, although all
the documents and reports on better sites are in the public domain
(see bibliography, below). The Japanese Nippon TV company showed me
video recordings of the Yonaguni site in about 1992 and I considered
it to obviously be natural rock, an opinion that was reported on
Japanese domestic television."
source: http://www.hallofmaat.com/maat/artic...?sid=36&page=1



Even the TV show
were Hancock tries to prove they are man made the geologist
with him says otherwise.

Just like you I suppose, you can prove that there is no such thing as
sunken artifical cities.

I didn't post that, now did I, asshole? I have scuba dived on one,
have you?



The claim for Cuba is even more silly.

Thats why National Geographic is doing a report on it, because of its
silly factor.

No, the claims that are being made are silly because a LOT more data
is needed. More than one dive, and a closer one at that, is needed.
I bet you don't even know the extent of the first expedition, do you?



So far all they have done is find rocks that might be man
made, but a LOT of closer investigation is needed before
any conclusion can be reached.

Idiots always need "closer investigation" in order to see their own arse.

Are you calling the museum that backed the expedition "idiots"?
What is wrong with verifying data? Are you so afraid of confirmation?


http://www.cuba.cu/ciencia/citma/ama/museo/exmari.htm



http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence...clonezone.html


That article is about trying to clone extinct animals (and btw, it
concludes that it will be impossible).

Duh!

Then why throw it in there, dumbass? It has nothing to do with the
subject.



www.teamatlantis.com

Might we add the recent discoveries of sunken structures and cities
found in the Meditteraean and other areas?


Sure, you can add them, but you'd better be ready to support
weird theories with exceptional evidence.

Its you who has the weird theory....er weirder response. Go back and
look at the evidence before you open your stupid arse mouth for all to see.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Get used to it.

And you even suck at the ad hominems, let alone backing up your
claims.







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On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:48:33 GMT, Yoda
wrote:


Ofcourse, all the earthquakes being reported now worldwide is evidence
that a polar shift is about to happen. These worldwide earthquakes were
predicted under the geophysical model more than 30 years ago. Not only
that but they were predicted to occur only after the magnetic field
began its changes, which evidence also suggests is rapidly occuring.
Too bad you haven't seen the same scientific papers that I have. Do a
web search for them, and you probably will find them, but don't ask me
to just because you are ignorant and prefer to reduce discussion to insults.


Avoidance of providing a shred of evidence noted, coward.



Again you don't know much about biological laws which can account for
preservation of extinct species, no doubt. Ask any forensic expert to
account for nearly perfect frozen Mammoths and he will tell you exactly
what I have already talked about.

Man the duh factor really shows its ugly face on this newsgroup.


Especially when assholes like you refuse to back up what they claim.







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"Did the Venus transit occur during sunset, idiot?"
- Grant,on the GLP web board, explains to us how
sunrise happens in NY and Asia at the same time.

On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:48:33 GMT, Yoda
wrote:


Ofcourse, all the earthquakes being reported now worldwide is evidence
that a polar shift is about to happen. These worldwide earthquakes were
predicted under the geophysical model more than 30 years ago. Not only
that but they were predicted to occur only after the magnetic field
began its changes, which evidence also suggests is rapidly occuring.
Too bad you haven't seen the same scientific papers that I have. Do a
web search for them, and you probably will find them, but don't ask me
to just because you are ignorant and prefer to reduce discussion to insults.


Avoidance of providing a shred of evidence noted, coward.



Again you don't know much about biological laws which can account for
preservation of extinct species, no doubt. Ask any forensic expert to
account for nearly perfect frozen Mammoths and he will tell you exactly
what I have already talked about.

Man the duh factor really shows its ugly face on this newsgroup.


Especially when assholes like you refuse to back up what they claim.







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Dr.Postman USPS, MBMC, BsD; "Disgruntled, But Unarmed"
Member,Board of Directors of afa-b, SKEP-TI-CULT® member #15-51506-253.
You can email me at: TuriFake(at)hotmail.com

"Did the Venus transit occur during sunset, idiot?"
- Grant,on the GLP web board, explains to us how
sunrise happens in NY and Asia at the same time.

On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 22:41:42 GMT, Yoda
wrote:


Well you guys seem to need clarification on everything. Even debating
whether or not structures have been found shows how duh you people
really can be. But then again, it doesn't surprise me in the least
considering that our world still operates as if it were in the stone age.


Nice troll, asshole.





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Member,Board of Directors of afa-b, SKEP-TI-CULT® member #15-51506-253.
You can email me at: TuriFake(at)hotmail.com

"Did the Venus transit occur during sunset, idiot?"
- Grant,on the GLP web board, explains to us how
sunrise happens in NY and Asia at the same time.

On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 22:41:42 GMT, Yoda
wrote:


Well you guys seem to need clarification on everything. Even debating
whether or not structures have been found shows how duh you people
really can be. But then again, it doesn't surprise me in the least
considering that our world still operates as if it were in the stone age.


Nice troll, asshole.





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Dr.Postman USPS, MBMC, BsD; "Disgruntled, But Unarmed"
Member,Board of Directors of afa-b, SKEP-TI-CULT® member #15-51506-253.
You can email me at: TuriFake(at)hotmail.com

"Did the Venus transit occur during sunset, idiot?"
- Grant,on the GLP web board, explains to us how
sunrise happens in NY and Asia at the same time.

"Yoda" wrote in message
t.cable.rogers.com...


Tom McDonald wrote:
spam this wrote:

"Double-A" wrote in message
om...

Wally Anglesea? wrote in


message . ..
. For instance if a north pole formed over New York City, solar

wind radiation would be funneled right down onto the people of New
York.




So, there is the possibility of REALLY GOOD NEWS. Now, if we could
just
inch it down between Baltimore and Richmond.........

But seriously folks, doesn't the geological data indicate that the
polar
shift is an end for end swap? For the same reason I don't know why the
shhift would be random, I don't know why it would not be end for end.


AFAIK, when the shift is over, it's basically end for end. However,
in the run-up, there are weird magnetic anomalies that spring up at odd
places. Or probably not so odd, just related to geology that I'm not up
on.

IIRC, there was a magnetic anomaly forming in the eastern Atlantic
near Africa; but I'm really open to correction on this.

Tom McDonald

What if the current height of Manchu Picchu in Peru as well as frozen

What if you are just another in a long line of deliberately stupid kooks?
I think that's the most likely explanation.
HTH

"Yoda" wrote in message
t.cable.rogers.com...


Tom McDonald wrote:
spam this wrote:

"Double-A" wrote in message
om...

Wally Anglesea? wrote in


message . ..
. For instance if a north pole formed over New York City, solar

wind radiation would be funneled right down onto the people of New
York.




So, there is the possibility of REALLY GOOD NEWS. Now, if we could
just
inch it down between Baltimore and Richmond.........

But seriously folks, doesn't the geological data indicate that the
polar
shift is an end for end swap? For the same reason I don't know why the
shhift would be random, I don't know why it would not be end for end.


AFAIK, when the shift is over, it's basically end for end. However,
in the run-up, there are weird magnetic anomalies that spring up at odd
places. Or probably not so odd, just related to geology that I'm not up
on.

IIRC, there was a magnetic anomaly forming in the eastern Atlantic
near Africa; but I'm really open to correction on this.

Tom McDonald

What if the current height of Manchu Picchu in Peru as well as frozen

What if you are just another in a long line of deliberately stupid kooks?
I think that's the most likely explanation.
HTH

"Yoda" wrote in message
t.cable.rogers.com...

Paul Lawler wrote:

"Yoda" wrote in message
t.cable.rogers.com...

You haven't obviously much background in genetics or molecular biology.

Pointless ad hominem attack. You clearly have NO idea what my background
is
or isn't.

Pointless to you only because you have no clue about biology, and if you
did you wouldnt be arguing the way you are.

No... ad hominem attacks are ALWAYS pointless, because you are attacking the
person not the argument.

marble of madness careening through the inner solar system. But it just
ain't so.

Ha ha ha. I suppose you think the idea of worldwide earthquakes funny.
Despicable indeed.

A lovely ad hominem diversion, but you did not address the point of the
argument. "I have heard it said" is NOT evidence.

Silliness will only get you silliness in kind. Go look for the evidence
if it is so important to you.

You keep saying this... but again YOU are making the claim, YOU must provide
the evidence. All I need to do is show that your evidence is faulty or your
sources are not credible. Please play by rules.

No. Do you have evidence to prove they would do so?

Ofcourse, all the earthquakes being reported now worldwide is evidence
that a polar shift is about to happen. These worldwide earthquakes were
predicted under the geophysical model more than 30 years ago. Not only
that but they were predicted to occur only after the magnetic field
began its changes, which evidence also suggests is rapidly occuring.

Predicted by WHOM?

What do you care? First you say you want evidence, now you want to know
by whom? The who is irrevelant. And no it is not Nancy.

No... the WHO is supremely relevant. If the source of your evidence is not
credible then your evidence is not credible. You are the one denigrating me
because I am not a molecular biologist. Why would you say such things if you
thought that it is unimportant who says what?

I already told you where you can find the proof. Do a google search on
forensic anthropology, and start your search there. You will find ample
proof along the way.

He who asserts must prove. It's not sufficient to say, "The proof is
out there, go find it." And it so happens that I am not the one throwing
insults. Perhaps you didn't notice.

Your hah hah posts say it all.

I'm not sure what a "hah hah" post is... but you are still the one throwing
insults instead of evidence. One can only conclude that you do not have any
evidence (other than anecdotal) so you are reduced to insults.

How else other than "instanteneous" polar reversal, where by extreme
pressures cause near next to or instant collapse or "heat" sinking in
some areas and rising in others, could we explain or account for
perfectly preserved (and engineered level tested) or horizontal
artifical structures and ancient masive pyramidal platforms existing
under water off the coast of Japan and Cuba?

Gee... I can think of several other ways to explain them. It's a
logical
fallacy to say it was "instantaneous" polar reversal or nothing.

Again you don't know much about biological laws which can account for
preservation of extinct species, no doubt. Ask any forensic expert to
account for nearly perfect frozen Mammoths and he will tell you exactly
what I have already talked about.

Why, pray tell, should I ask a forensic expert about Mammoths when the
argument was about horizontal (alleged) artificial structures and
(alleged)
ancient massive pyramidal platforms?

Both were given as examples for a near instantenous reversal. Or do you
only read what you care to remember. The artificial structures are
not "alleged", they are real and they are only alleged structures in
your kooky world view.

I don't care if both were given as examples, I only questioned one. What is
your point in respond to the one I did not question? Again you are
diverting the argument. The word "alleged" was placed before the word
artificial, not before the word structures. I did not question that the
structures exsit.

Well you guys seem to need clarification on everything. Even debating
whether or not structures have been found shows how duh you people
really can be.

Since I did not debate whether or not structures have been found, by your
own criteria I am not duh. So I guess you'll need a new ad hominem attack.
Might I suggest you get a little more creative?

"Yoda" wrote in message
t.cable.rogers.com...

Paul Lawler wrote:

"Yoda" wrote in message
t.cable.rogers.com...

You haven't obviously much background in genetics or molecular biology.

Pointless ad hominem attack. You clearly have NO idea what my background
is
or isn't.

Pointless to you only because you have no clue about biology, and if you
did you wouldnt be arguing the way you are.

No... ad hominem attacks are ALWAYS pointless, because you are attacking the
person not the argument.

marble of madness careening through the inner solar system. But it just
ain't so.

Ha ha ha. I suppose you think the idea of worldwide earthquakes funny.
Despicable indeed.

A lovely ad hominem diversion, but you did not address the point of the
argument. "I have heard it said" is NOT evidence.

Silliness will only get you silliness in kind. Go look for the evidence
if it is so important to you.

You keep saying this... but again YOU are making the claim, YOU must provide
the evidence. All I need to do is show that your evidence is faulty or your
sources are not credible. Please play by rules.

No. Do you have evidence to prove they would do so?

Ofcourse, all the earthquakes being reported now worldwide is evidence
that a polar shift is about to happen. These worldwide earthquakes were
predicted under the geophysical model more than 30 years ago. Not only
that but they were predicted to occur only after the magnetic field
began its changes, which evidence also suggests is rapidly occuring.

Predicted by WHOM?

What do you care? First you say you want evidence, now you want to know
by whom? The who is irrevelant. And no it is not Nancy.

No... the WHO is supremely relevant. If the source of your evidence is not
credible then your evidence is not credible. You are the one denigrating me
because I am not a molecular biologist. Why would you say such things if you
thought that it is unimportant who says what?

I already told you where you can find the proof. Do a google search on
forensic anthropology, and start your search there. You will find ample
proof along the way.

He who asserts must prove. It's not sufficient to say, "The proof is
out there, go find it." And it so happens that I am not the one throwing
insults. Perhaps you didn't notice.

Your hah hah posts say it all.

I'm not sure what a "hah hah" post is... but you are still the one throwing
insults instead of evidence. One can only conclude that you do not have any
evidence (other than anecdotal) so you are reduced to insults.

How else other than "instanteneous" polar reversal, where by extreme
pressures cause near next to or instant collapse or "heat" sinking in
some areas and rising in others, could we explain or account for
perfectly preserved (and engineered level tested) or horizontal
artifical structures and ancient masive pyramidal platforms existing
under water off the coast of Japan and Cuba?

Gee... I can think of several other ways to explain them. It's a
logical
fallacy to say it was "instantaneous" polar reversal or nothing.

Again you don't know much about biological laws which can account for
preservation of extinct species, no doubt. Ask any forensic expert to
account for nearly perfect frozen Mammoths and he will tell you exactly
what I have already talked about.

Why, pray tell, should I ask a forensic expert about Mammoths when the
argument was about horizontal (alleged) artificial structures and
(alleged)
ancient massive pyramidal platforms?

Both were given as examples for a near instantenous reversal. Or do you
only read what you care to remember. The artificial structures are
not "alleged", they are real and they are only alleged structures in
your kooky world view.

I don't care if both were given as examples, I only questioned one. What is
your point in respond to the one I did not question? Again you are
diverting the argument. The word "alleged" was placed before the word
artificial, not before the word structures. I did not question that the
structures exsit.

Well you guys seem to need clarification on everything. Even debating
whether or not structures have been found shows how duh you people
really can be.

Since I did not debate whether or not structures have been found, by your
own criteria I am not duh. So I guess you'll need a new ad hominem attack.
Might I suggest you get a little more creative?

"Dr_Postman" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 22:41:42 GMT, Yoda
wrote:


Well you guys seem to need clarification on everything. Even debating
whether or not structures have been found shows how duh you people
really can be. But then again, it doesn't surprise me in the least
considering that our world still operates as if it were in the stone age.


Nice troll, asshole.


Could have sworn there was another post on this same topic here.
Someone was quoting from a NY Times article. Did you see it?

- pack