Rise of the Surveillance State and the Fall of the Individual Entrepreneur

On Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:55:27 AM UTC-7, Brad Guth wrote:
On Saturday, August 10, 2013 6:33:01 AM UTC-7, Martha Adams wrote:

On 8/9/2013 2:15 PM, Brad Guth wrote:



On Friday, August 9, 2013 7:31:59 AM UTC-7, Martha Adams wrote:



On 8/8/2013 1:36 AM, Brad Guth wrote:



On Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:16:44 AM UTC-7, wrote:







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Think about the incredible narrowmindedness and ignorance in



scientific practice today, as it rolls out the politics and economics



that approaches the criminal, and you've got status-quo science



reaching its nemesis with human civilization. The people who continue



to clone and propagate this technology are the ignorant gangsters,



control freaks, and parasites, along with the MM, who equate power



in numbers with the power to destroy anything that gets in their way



of controlling how the profits are made, and how these profits are to



be distributed to themselves, and they implement state control through



the useful idiot enforcement of their establishment protocol. They are



the same people that created Hitler as a wind-up toy, set to be released



as soon as the Neville Chamberlain "moment of peace" with der Fuhrer



was accepted lock, stock, and barrel.







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Oligarchs and Bilderbergs still get to do as they please, regardless



of whomever we elect or appoint.







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Seems to me, the only way you can say such as the above, is to know



almost nothing of what you're talking about. As antidote, I suggest,







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I think nobody is going to "understand" today's world. In part, because



much of what makes it what it is, is hidden. But I do believe, the



books I mention here amount to a helpful guide.







And, *beware too-general statements.* They both mark and make a closed



mind.







Titeotwawki -- Martha Adams [Fri 2013 Aug 09]







That's all very good feedback, though meanwhile us members of our



respective republics that get to pay and suffer for everything these



few others do, have to take notice and demand the closure of their agency



loopholes that enables their surveillance/snooping and profiling upon each



and everyone of us (including yourself). Obviously Snowden proves that



they can not keep lids on hardly anything, and the consequences of their



actions or inactions can bring about another Karma of 9-11, as well as any



number of proxy wars in order to suit whatever these Oligarchs and



Bilderbergs have in mind.







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Well, if I have extracted its message from the above, I think the



meaning is much like "Those who stop evolution, force revolution" which



I attribute to one of the Kennedys.







But I'm not in a great rush to eliminate the "Oligarchs and Bilderbergs"



because, the business and social systems they have built up to return to



them their control and money, are exactly the systems that support my



(and your) life; and if those go, then where are we? A child or a



religious type thinks faith will automatically bring things around to



what they ought to be. In fact, I'd look for a result more like the



recent Balkans, or like Syria today. With immense loss of value,



capital, social systems, and human life, and the next generation



handicapped by the recent trauma. Slowing social and economic recovery



from decades to generations. So while I don't like what I see, here in



America, I believe smashing things leads to intolerable consequences;



and the problem is, how do we get from here to something that is long



term constructive?







Which is some of why I promote off-Terra settlements ASAP. A rational



program for that is cheaper than anything because of the possibility of



immense return from it. And because it opens options we don't see



today, to break the Republicans "My way or no way" throttling of, well,



everything good. For openers, we could just siphon off some money from



America's military budget, which would be the world's largest if reduced



by two-thirds.







Titeotwawki -- Martha Adams [Sat 2013 Aug 10]



With 7000 some odd Oligarchs and Bilderbergs to support and deal with the consequences and often negative/revenge Karma because of their terrestrial greed, arrogance, bigotry, proxy wars and misguided authority regardless of whomever we elect or appoint, has been costing us(the world) far more than it's worth. As long as they remain in charge, off-world exploitations are not going to happen until their military industrial complex needs the resources and/or the advantage of holding such high ground.



I'll have more to say about this later. Meanwhile, there's always GuthVenus to take seriously.

Try to imagine what a trillion dollars per year (in 2013 dollars), of public matching funds for off-world exploitations could have accomplished, starting as of four decades ago. By now that incentive would have amounted to 80+ trillion dollars invested and directly benefiting each and everyone of us, as well as capable of salvaging our global environment.

On 8/11/2013 3:05 AM, Brad Guth wrote:
On Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:55:27 AM UTC-7, Brad Guth wrote:
On Saturday, August 10, 2013 6:33:01 AM UTC-7, Martha Adams wrote:

big snip

Try to imagine what a trillion dollars per year (in 2013 dollars),
of public matching funds for off-world exploitations could have
accomplished, starting as of four decades ago. By now that incentive
would have amounted to 80+ trillion dollars invested and directly
benefitting each and everyone of us, as well as capable of salvaging
our global environment.

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For reason I don't understand, I'm seeing a lot of doublespacing
introduced here, along with very long lines not helpfully filled.
I just re-filled the above paragraph, which has in my view, a
very important point about space settlement, if maybe the numbers
are off by two or three orders of magnitude.

America's immense military budget is still shy of a trillion
dollars per year -- I think, officially it's around 700 billion.
I don't know the amount of money circulating thru the overseas
arms sales business, nor how to count the costs of political
and ideological corruptions. (A recently published book,
Leibovich, This Town, may bear on that matter.)

But *yes,* a few ten-billions of dollars as a stable program (held
safe from today's devastating political interventions) would
change our world very quickly. I see particularly, a growing
popular appreciation of the reality our species is vulnerable to
large astronomical events, see the current (Aug 10-16) issue of
New Scientist: Solar Superflares, p. 46 there. Vs today's social
awareness of Out There still believing our world is practically
all of the universe and it was made by a supernatural being who
bears perfect resemblance to the Father of a simplified and
idealized human family.

Titeotwawki -- Martha Adams [Wed 2013 Aug 14]

On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:58:47 PM UTC-7, Martha Adams wrote:
On 8/11/2013 3:05 AM, Brad Guth wrote:

On Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:55:27 AM UTC-7, Brad Guth wrote:

On Saturday, August 10, 2013 6:33:01 AM UTC-7, Martha Adams wrote:



big snip



Try to imagine what a trillion dollars per year (in 2013 dollars),

of public matching funds for off-world exploitations could have

accomplished, starting as of four decades ago. By now that incentive

would have amounted to 80+ trillion dollars invested and directly

benefitting each and everyone of us, as well as capable of salvaging

our global environment.



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For reason I don't understand, I'm seeing a lot of doublespacing

introduced here, along with very long lines not helpfully filled.

I just re-filled the above paragraph, which has in my view, a

very important point about space settlement, if maybe the numbers

are off by two or three orders of magnitude.



America's immense military budget is still shy of a trillion

dollars per year -- I think, officially it's around 700 billion.

I don't know the amount of money circulating thru the overseas

arms sales business, nor how to count the costs of political

and ideological corruptions. (A recently published book,

Leibovich, This Town, may bear on that matter.)



But *yes,* a few ten-billions of dollars as a stable program (held

safe from today's devastating political interventions) would

change our world very quickly. I see particularly, a growing

popular appreciation of the reality our species is vulnerable to

large astronomical events, see the current (Aug 10-16) issue of

New Scientist: Solar Superflares, p. 46 there. Vs today's social

awareness of Out There still believing our world is practically

all of the universe and it was made by a supernatural being who

bears perfect resemblance to the Father of a simplified and

idealized human family.



Titeotwawki -- Martha Adams [Wed 2013 Aug 14]

Our world spends roughly a trillion dollars per day on energy and energy related products and services. Much of what is getting spent on energy is based upon an ever increasing public and personal debt.