NASA, SpaceX Set First Dragon Launch To ISS

On 25/12/2011 1:11 PM, Matt Wiser wrote:


It'll survive. No question. Now, you may now go back to your fantasy
world. You keep wailing about something that is irrevelant to HSF.
There's a few like you over on sci.military.naval and
rec.aviation.military who do the same thing: wail about topics not
relevant to what's being discussed. Or they're living in their fantasy
world and not bothering to take into account the fact that the policy
or procurement suggestions they offer have two chances of being put
forward by either Congress or POTUS: Slim and none. The stuff you keep
pushing has zero chance of being adopted, so why do you keep pressing
for it? Hoping that lightning will strike twice? Said it befo NO
BUCK ROGERS, NO BUCKS. Cut and dry, that is it.

I think Bob's been really quite good lately. It can be said you are
also in a fantasy world of your own - it depends on perspective.

As for HSF being just for NASA, I doubt they will get anywhere with
SLS/Orion. I firmly believe that Dragon and Dreamchaser will be the
transport of choice until Stratolaunch (combined with Dreamchaser?) get
into gear. Then, costs _will_ be less than 10% of current LVs.

I agree that HSF will survive, but will not use NASA/government-specific
systems for much longer. NASA's budget might stay the same, but don't
forget they do research into all sorts of other things; aviation, space
and other areas.

On Dec 25, 3:41*pm, Alan Erskine wrote:
On 25/12/2011 1:11 PM, Matt Wiser wrote:



It'll survive. No question. Now, you may now go back to your fantasy
world. You keep wailing about something that is irrevelant to HSF.
There's a few like you over on sci.military.naval and
rec.aviation.military who do the same thing: wail about topics not
relevant to what's being discussed. Or they're living in their fantasy
world and not bothering to take into account the fact that the policy
or procurement suggestions they offer have two chances of being put
forward by either Congress or POTUS: Slim and none. The stuff you keep
pushing has zero chance of being adopted, so why do you keep pressing
for it? Hoping that lightning will strike twice? Said it befo NO
BUCK ROGERS, NO BUCKS. Cut and dry, that is it.

I think Bob's been really quite good lately. *It can be said you are
also in a fantasy world of your own - it depends on perspective.

As for HSF being just for NASA, I doubt they will get anywhere with
SLS/Orion. *I firmly believe that Dragon and Dreamchaser will be the
transport of choice until Stratolaunch (combined with Dreamchaser?) get
into gear. *Then, costs _will_ be less than 10% of current LVs.

I agree that HSF will survive, but will not use NASA/government-specific
systems for much longer. *NASA's budget might stay the same, but don't
forget they do research into all sorts of other things; aviation, space
and other areas.

Clearly, they do, and have done wonders in those fields. But, and this
is the key he SLS and Orion are for BEO. The other stuff you
mention is for LEO. Alan, in case you haven't heard, there's only ONE
Congresscritter pushing EELV and depot-based strategies for BEO, and
that's Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA). As I've pointed out earlier, his
motives are not completely pu several Commercial Space outfits have
facilities in SoCal, and either have facilities in his district, or
there's employees of those firms who do live there. (Hawthorne is part
of his district). Musk made a lot of enemies back in the Augustine
hearings by daring NASA to buy his stuff exclusively-and some of those
enemies are in Congress. And remember that the key Senators and
Congressmen who make the legislation for NASA are from "space states."
Either you convince them that EELV/depots are the way to go or you
don't. So far, nobody's convinced them. Good luck trying.

On 26/12/2011 5:39 PM, Matt Wiser wrote:


Clearly, they do, and have done wonders in those fields. But, and this
is the key he SLS and Orion are for BEO. The other stuff you
mention is for LEO.

Doesn't have to be just LEO - Dragon is designed for re-entry at Martian
velocities, not just Lunar or LEO. My idea of a 55 tonne LV is right in
the range of Falcon Heavy - Lunar is easy.

On Dec 26, 1:23*am, Alan Erskine wrote:
On 26/12/2011 5:39 PM, Matt Wiser wrote:



Clearly, they do, and have done wonders in those fields. But, and this
is the key he SLS and Orion are for BEO. The other stuff you
mention is for LEO.

Doesn't have to be just LEO - Dragon is designed for re-entry at Martian
velocities, not just Lunar or LEO. *My idea of a 55 tonne LV is right in
the range of Falcon Heavy - Lunar is easy.

True, but remember back during Augustine? Musk made a few comments
that practically meant that "NASA should buy my products exclusively,"
or words to that effect. He made a lot of enemies as a result. Not to
mention that he's admitted that Space X only has 1% of the lobbying
power that Boeing, Lockheed-Martin, Northrop-Grumman, or ULA have. He
may get the cargo contract, but crew? I'd wager on Boeing and Orbital
Science.