Mars Spherules with stems grow in the ground like potatoes

"Greg Crinklaw" wrote in message
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Jan Panteltje wrote:

Oh it is you! Well keep dreaming boy.
READ IT AGAIN what I wrote.
Look at some pics.
get a sense of reality.

Sorry, read it three times now and it's still nonsense.

A word to the wise, you have been arguing with
a troll who is best served in the kill file.

"Thomas Lee Elifritz" wrote in message
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Introducing, liquid water on the surface of Mars :

http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/.../21/index.html

Try again.

"Pedro Rosa" wrote in message
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Salted
water can have a wide range of states, depending on the properties of
salts. Try to find data on Lake Victoria Antarctida. BUT! For the
fast-runners I warn immediately that the lake there is abiotic by the
most (under what I presently know). Are there similar lakes in Mars?
Yes, there is a pond, a few meters large in a region between Elisyum
and Olympus, between 40-55 degrees North latitude. Unfortunately I
found it at a time when IBM did SOME GREAT #@%@$@%#$ HDDs... And the
thing crashed a few days after the discovery. Could those ponds be a
base for Life?

Sorry. You'll have to do better than that.
You need to post a link or reference to an actual
image of this pond before it will be reasonably believed.
Your search area is simply too large to cover to look
for a pond a few meters across. No one will do that
kind of legwork for you and no one will believe you if
you don't.
Trust, but verify - and all that.

"Chosp" wrote in message news:w0h8c.2107$wl1.952@fed1read06...
"Pedro Rosa" wrote in message
om...
Salted
water can have a wide range of states, depending on the properties of
salts. Try to find data on Lake Victoria Antarctida. BUT! For the
fast-runners I warn immediately that the lake there is abiotic by the
most (under what I presently know). Are there similar lakes in Mars?
Yes, there is a pond, a few meters large in a region between Elisyum
and Olympus, between 40-55 degrees North latitude. Unfortunately I
found it at a time when IBM did SOME GREAT #@%@$@%#$ HDDs... And the
thing crashed a few days after the discovery. Could those ponds be a
base for Life?

Sorry. You'll have to do better than that.
You need to post a link or reference to an actual
image of this pond before it will be reasonably believed.
Your search area is simply too large to cover to look
for a pond a few meters across. No one will do that
kind of legwork for you and no one will believe you if
you don't.
Trust, but verify - and all that.

I am not here to make anyone believe on something you know? I am not
the Holy Priest of the FUSSY FACE of Mars. As I said I lost it, thanks
IBM very much and their #@$@#$$ 15Gb disks... 2Gb of precious
information, and not only that photo but two years of my professional
work down the tubes. You know how am I ****ed off till now? But I saw
it and that's enough for me... Your problem to take this into account
or not.

Sincerly I tried to find it again... Unfortunately I only noted it
after download as a broad view of what's going on in those zones. I
wasn't minimally interested in details of that region. My preferred
regions are Acydalia Planitia, Arabia Terra and NW of Hellas.

The thing is not quite visible. It's a dark streak coming from a hill,
it hits a few rocks, run down slightly, and concentrates in a small
depression between the hills... The depression possessed two tones,
one dark grey and another more to the center, nearly black. Who finds
it tell me what it tastes for... Note I don't like mineral sulfated
waters, keep for yourself!

"Pedro Rosa" wrote in message
om...
I am not here to make anyone believe on something you know? I am not
the Holy Priest of the FUSSY FACE of Mars. As I said I lost it, thanks
IBM very much and their #@$@#$$ 15Gb disks... 2Gb of precious
information, and not only that photo but two years of my professional
work down the tubes. You know how am I ****ed off till now? But I saw
it and that's enough for me... Your problem to take this into account
or not.

Sincerly I tried to find it again... Unfortunately I only noted it
after download as a broad view of what's going on in those zones. I
wasn't minimally interested in details of that region. My preferred
regions are Acydalia Planitia, Arabia Terra and NW of Hellas.

The thing is not quite visible. It's a dark streak coming from a hill,
it hits a few rocks, run down slightly, and concentrates in a small
depression between the hills... The depression possessed two tones,
one dark grey and another more to the center, nearly black. Who finds
it tell me what it tastes for... Note I don't like mineral sulfated
waters, keep for yourself!

In the past, the following image was introduced by a poster as
a possible lake site. Are these the features you were describing?

http://home.no.net/dubjai/misc/moc/nederste_av_M0902042.jpg

(They are not lakes, by the way, but mesas. The light is coming
from below and gives the false impression that they are
depressions. They actually stick up above the surface. If the
picture is viewed upside down, this becomes more clear).

"Chosp" wrote in message news:KNJ8c.5305$wl1.4759@fed1read06...
"Pedro Rosa" wrote in message
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The thing is not quite visible. It's a dark streak coming from a hill,
it hits a few rocks, run down slightly, and concentrates in a small
depression between the hills... The depression possessed two tones,
one dark grey and another more to the center, nearly black. Who finds
it tell me what it tastes for... Note I don't like mineral sulfated
waters, keep for yourself!

In the past, the following image was introduced by a poster as
a possible lake site. Are these the features you were describing?

http://home.no.net/dubjai/misc/moc/nederste_av_M0902042.jpg

(They are not lakes, by the way, but mesas. The light is coming
from below and gives the false impression that they are
depressions. They actually stick up above the surface. If the
picture is viewed upside down, this becomes more clear).

No, I know these illusions. And know enough of Mars not to fall on
them...

The "smoking gun" that caught my attention was the "streak" coming
from the hill. There are lots of streaks over Martian landscape. Some
are clearly landslides, others are clearly flows (If you wanna see
these try Janssen's crater - that crater inside it).

However this one was unique. I really have never seen before or after
a "streak" running gently through the hill. 99,99999% of "flow
streaks" are torrential, which is understandble due to Mars pressure.
This one has only an initial directioned pattern, hits the slope of
the neighboring hill and gently, in a small zigzag flows down a
depression between the hills. That streak with a later zigzag was what
initally caught my attention. First I thought it was a problem in the
photo or a fracture in the rock. Then, I noted that the little black
patch in the depression seem to possees two tones, one dark grey,
another nearly black to the center. The dark grey tone "rings" the
black one except on the zone of the streak.

I decided to study that on the weekend, but two or three days after
thatб I discovered that was one of the happy owners of IBM's
"chuk-chuk" HDDs... The damn thing didn't live even two months... Most
of my data on Mars and nearly all my Linux programming stuff went down
the tubes...

After some time and a very painfull recover, I decided to go after
that pond. I DIGGED like a mad into MOC's base. I couldn't find even
the hills seen on other frame related to that one... Frankly I thought
it would be easy to spot it, due to that... No nothing, no hills, no
hills, no hills and no pond... Fumed like magic. I was amazed I could
pick up frames that I have seen a year ago but these ones, took a
walk. Maybe because I know too badly that place.

Chosp wrote:
| Salted water can have a wide range of states, depending on the
| properties of salts. Try to find data on Lake Victoria Antarctida.

hmmm

| BUT! For the fast-runners I warn immediately that the lake there is
| abiotic by the most (under what I presently know).

Wait, it was my understanding that early all *terrestrial* glaciers have
an interface of liquid water just under them, don't they? They trickle
out from below, and are the sources for creeks that trickle out from
under the 'feet' of these glaciers and feed our creeks and streams.
Like the glaciers around Mt. Ranier in Washington and Mt. Hood in
Oregon, they are all in their own ways the sources to the creeks and
streams that surround them. In short, it sure isn't surface runoff that
gives rise to the creeks and streams adjacent to them. Although that
helps in the summer time. The trickle is not going to be that visible
above ground, but if you dig a couple feet down from where the glaciers
seem to begin, you are going to find water. Look at Ptarmigan Glacier
on the south flank of Mt. St. Helens, for instance. The edge of the
glacier can be measured in feet, not just yards, and there you go,
dry ground in one place, nice beautiful snowy ice in another place,
and that is in summer, only feet apart. But 'liquid' water is available
a few feet down. It may not be a gurgling creek that is "picture-perfect"
but it is water, and the nature of the rocky soil in that area guarantees
that it becomes liquid in the cracks that are predictable enough in that
area.

"Eric Chomko" skrev i en meddelelse
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Pedro Rosa ) wrote:

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: Thermodynamics you know? Now where liquid water may exist in Mars?
: Pure liquid water NOWHERE as the pressure is always too low for
: condensation and the only phases that may exist there are frozen like
: rock or gaseous.

Gaseous? Exactly how? Explain using Martian pressure and temperatures how
water vapor exists there. You are eluding to clouds here.

I'll take that by vapor you mean condensed water or ice particles in the
air, like a cloud?
I believe the atmosphere holds 0,03% H2O-gas (don't whip me on details) The
maximum contents of H2O-gas is dependant on temperature (dewpoint
temperature). If H2O-gas is evaporated/sublimed during day when temperature
and dewpoint is 'high', it follows that it may condense at night to ice-dew
or to ice-crystals in a clouds.

Carsten

Carsten Troelsgaard wrote:
| : Thermodynamics you know? Now where liquid water may exist in Mars?
| : Pure liquid water NOWHERE as the pressure is always too low for
| : condensation and the only phases that may exist there are frozen like
| : rock or gaseous.
|
| Gaseous? Exactly how? Explain using Martian pressure and temperatures how
| water vapor exists there. You are eluding to clouds here.
|
|I'll take that by vapor you mean condensed water or ice particles in the
|air, like a cloud?

Well, I am curious about that also. Can't the ice particles stick to
the dust in the area, causing a snow of sorts - even if it is rather
sparse - to fall on the ground?

|I believe the atmosphere holds 0,03% H2O-gas (don't whip me on details)
|The maximum contents of H2O-gas is dependant on temperature (dewpoint
|temperature). If H2O-gas is evaporated/sublimed during day when
|temperature and dewpoint is 'high', it follows that it may condense
|to night to ice-dew or to ice-crystals in a clouds.

Doesn't the CO2 regularly sink down at night, seeing as how the
temperature tends to drop? Every night, there ought to be *some*
kind of condensation of H20, CO2, and dust particles, what there
are of them.

"Matthew Montchalin" skrev i en meddelelse
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snip

|I'll take that by vapor you mean condensed water or ice particles in the
|air, like a cloud?

Well, I am curious about that also. Can't the ice particles stick to
the dust in the area, causing a snow of sorts - even if it is rather
sparse - to fall on the ground?

I have seen pictures of rime, but wasn't that from another mission?

|I believe the atmosphere holds 0,03% H2O-gas (don't whip me on details)
|The maximum contents of H2O-gas is dependant on temperature (dewpoint
|temperature). If H2O-gas is evaporated/sublimed during day when
|temperature and dewpoint is 'high', it follows that it may condense
|to night to ice-dew or to ice-crystals in a clouds.

Doesn't the CO2 regularly sink down at night, seeing as how the
temperature tends to drop? Every night, there ought to be *some*
kind of condensation of H20, CO2, and dust particles, what there
are of them.

I don't know weather the condensation of CO2 occur outside of the poles, but
the low night-temperature could still make a journal shift of pressure and
windpattern.

Carsten