When does a star get into adulthood?

On Oct 17, 10:59*am, oriel36 wrote:
On Oct 17, 7:46*am, Paul Schlyter wrote:

On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:16:29 -0500, Sam Wormley
wrote:

* *Astronomer Sandy Faber points out:
* * *"These giant telescopes, they are the only true time machines
* * *that human beings have and they are totally faithful.

Recorders are also a kind of time machines, which allows you to play
back recorded events from the past.

You appear as children in the way you go about things as normally the
continuity between past and present is taken as a given in that the
past is physically over with and consigned to memory or exists in
photos or recordings and who would want it any other way ?.An
affliction which lumps past and present together as an evolutionary
timeline,and it is an affliction,does not require people to counter it
but for people to run from it as it is dangerous to the functioning
mind.

A man made a similar mistake by lunging at stellar circumpolar motion
and timekeeping averages and drew a tragic conclusion relating to the
rotation of the Earth and it snowballed to such an extent that
ideologies such as 'big bang' are now rampant,not as something which
can be countered as it is a subhuman perspective but a huge lesson for
our race when a group decides that geometry and physical
considerations are jettisoned from astronomy for the sake of modeling
using a pathetic shortcut that is right ascension.

You can't seem to put your own evolutionary past in context of all
other evolutionary histories *and that is not just sad,that is a human
tragedy for we exist in the stream of evolution be it human or life in
general or the great terrestrial and astronomical process and not
external to that timeline where poor individuals imagine they have
some type of sight that puts them at a vantage point that nobody in
their right mind would want.

It is a matter of snapping out of a simpleminded conclusion by
whatever means an individual can and into the waking world of men who
can think and face challenges.

Correct, as the evolution of stars and of everything else is only a
forward moving kind of thing, whereas each new stellar generation is
more metallicity worthy than the last, and the combinations of that
ever increasing metallicity are perhaps making some of their own laws
of physics as they get to interact within those fusion and secondary
processes that we clearly do not understand even about our own sun.

Obviously Sirius(B) was quite a large quickie kind of stellar
evolution that happened fast and extremely nearby our well established
solar system. Oddly those Sirius stars remain as somewhat mainstream
forbidden or nondisclosure rated, just like the entire Apollo era with
their rad-hard Kodak film that could not manage from that physically
dark surface or from orbit to ever get any FOVs including either
Sirius or the extremely nearby and vibrant planet Venus.

However we can via forensics go back into our local terrestrial past
in order to reconstruct dinosaur DNA, although stellar evolution
reversal is not an option since everything around us has changed and
continues to change on the fly, so to speak. However, it’s quite
unlikely a perfectly replicated dinosaur species could actually
survive in our time, because again everything around us has changed,
and not always for the better.

Nowadays folks of K12 and better educated seem rather helpless to
deductively interpret much of anything, perhaps because they’ve become
scared to death of whatever authority might think or do about any
truly independent investigative research that’s capable of connecting
other dots and pulling out new or improved interpretations, that could
rock a few of those mainstream boats that are mostly public funded and
highly sought after.

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On Oct 17, 10:59 am, oriel36 wrote:
On Oct 17, 7:46 am, Paul Schlyter wrote:

On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:16:29 -0500, Sam Wormley
wrote:

Astronomer Sandy Faber points out:
"These giant telescopes, they are the only true time machines
that human beings have and they are totally faithful.

Recorders are also a kind of time machines, which allows you to play
back recorded events from the past.

You appear as children in the way you go about things as normally the
continuity between past and present is taken as a given in that the
past is physically over with and consigned to memory or exists in
photos or recordings and who would want it any other way ?.An
affliction which lumps past and present together as an evolutionary
timeline,and it is an affliction,does not require people to counter it
but for people to run from it as it is dangerous to the functioning
mind.

A man made a similar mistake by lunging at stellar circumpolar motion
and timekeeping averages and drew a tragic conclusion relating to the
rotation of the Earth and it snowballed to such an extent that
ideologies such as 'big bang' are now rampant,not as something which
can be countered as it is a subhuman perspective but a huge lesson for
our race when a group decides that geometry and physical
considerations are jettisoned from astronomy for the sake of modeling
using a pathetic shortcut that is right ascension.

You can't seem to put your own evolutionary past in context of all
other evolutionary histories and that is not just sad,that is a human
tragedy for we exist in the stream of evolution be it human or life in
general or the great terrestrial and astronomical process and not
external to that timeline where poor individuals imagine they have
some type of sight that puts them at a vantage point that nobody in
their right mind would want.

It is a matter of snapping out of a simpleminded conclusion by
whatever means an individual can and into the waking world of men who
can think and face challenges.

Correct, as the evolution of stars and of everything else is only a
forward moving kind of thing, whereas each new stellar generation is
more metallicity worthy than the last, and the combinations of that
ever increasing metallicity are perhaps making some of their own laws
of physics as they get to interact within those fusion and secondary
processes that we clearly do not understand even about our own sun.

Obviously Sirius(B) was quite a large quickie kind of stellar
evolution that happened fast and extremely nearby our well established
solar system. Oddly those Sirius stars remain as somewhat mainstream
forbidden or nondisclosure rated, just like the entire Apollo era with
their rad-hard Kodak film that could not manage from that physically
dark surface or from orbit to ever get any FOVs including either
Sirius or the extremely nearby and vibrant planet Venus.

However we can via forensics go back into our local terrestrial past
in order to reconstruct dinosaur DNA, although stellar evolution
reversal is not an option since everything around us has changed and
continues to change on the fly, so to speak. However, it’s quite
unlikely a perfectly replicated dinosaur species could actually
survive in our time, because again everything around us has changed,
and not always for the better.

Nowadays folks of K12 and better educated seem rather helpless to
deductively interpret much of anything, perhaps because they’ve become
scared to death of whatever authority might think or do about any
truly independent investigative research that’s capable of connecting
other dots and pulling out new or improved interpretations, that could
rock a few of those mainstream boats that are mostly public funded and
highly sought after.



chuckle

On Oct 18, 1:16*pm, "David Staup" wrote:
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On Oct 17, 10:59 am, oriel36 wrote:









On Oct 17, 7:46 am, Paul Schlyter wrote:

On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:16:29 -0500, Sam Wormley
wrote:

Astronomer Sandy Faber points out:
"These giant telescopes, they are the only true time machines
that human beings have and they are totally faithful.

Recorders are also a kind of time machines, which allows you to play
back recorded events from the past.

You appear as children in the way you go about things as normally the
continuity between past and present is taken as a given in that the
past is physically over with and consigned to memory or exists in
photos or recordings and who would want it any other way ?.An
affliction which lumps past and present together as an evolutionary
timeline,and it is an affliction,does not require people to counter it
but for people to run from it as it is dangerous to the functioning
mind.

A man made a similar mistake by lunging at stellar circumpolar motion
and timekeeping averages and drew a tragic conclusion relating to the
rotation of the Earth and it snowballed to such an extent that
ideologies such as 'big bang' are now rampant,not as something which
can be countered as it is a subhuman perspective but a huge lesson for
our race when a group decides that geometry and physical
considerations are jettisoned from astronomy for the sake of modeling
using a pathetic shortcut that is right ascension.

You can't seem to put your own evolutionary past in context of all
other evolutionary histories and that is not just sad,that is a human
tragedy for we exist in the stream of evolution be it human or life in
general or the great terrestrial and astronomical process and not
external to that timeline where poor individuals imagine they have
some type of sight that puts them at a vantage point that nobody in
their right mind would want.

It is a matter of snapping out of a simpleminded conclusion by
whatever means an individual can and into the waking world of men who
can think and face challenges.

Correct, as the evolution of stars and of everything else is only a
forward moving kind of thing, whereas each new stellar generation is
more metallicity worthy than the last, and the combinations of that
ever increasing metallicity are perhaps making some of their own laws
of physics as they get to interact within those fusion and secondary
processes that we clearly do not understand even about our own sun.

Obviously Sirius(B) was quite a large quickie kind of stellar
evolution that happened fast and extremely nearby our well established
solar system. *Oddly those Sirius stars remain as somewhat mainstream
forbidden or nondisclosure rated, just like the entire Apollo era with
their rad-hard Kodak film that could not manage from that physically
dark surface or from orbit to ever get any FOVs including either
Sirius or the extremely nearby and vibrant planet Venus.

However we can via forensics go back into our local terrestrial past
in order to reconstruct dinosaur DNA, although stellar evolution
reversal is not an option since everything around us has changed and
continues to change on the fly, so to speak. *However, it�s quite
unlikely a perfectly replicated dinosaur species could actually
survive in our time, because again everything around us has changed,
and not always for the better.

Nowadays folks of K12 and better educated seem rather helpless to
deductively interpret much of anything, perhaps because they�ve become
scared to death of whatever authority might think or do about any
truly independent investigative research that�s capable of connecting
other dots and pulling out new or improved interpretations, that could
rock a few of those mainstream boats that are mostly public funded and
highly sought after.

chuckle

Evolution laws, functionality or policy is a moving target, which
might explain why your family tree has so many broken branches.

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On Oct 18, 1:16 pm, "David Staup" wrote:
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On Oct 17, 10:59 am, oriel36 wrote:









On Oct 17, 7:46 am, Paul Schlyter wrote:

On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:16:29 -0500, Sam Wormley
wrote:

Astronomer Sandy Faber points out:
"These giant telescopes, they are the only true time machines
that human beings have and they are totally faithful.

Recorders are also a kind of time machines, which allows you to play
back recorded events from the past.

You appear as children in the way you go about things as normally the
continuity between past and present is taken as a given in that the
past is physically over with and consigned to memory or exists in
photos or recordings and who would want it any other way ?.An
affliction which lumps past and present together as an evolutionary
timeline,and it is an affliction,does not require people to counter it
but for people to run from it as it is dangerous to the functioning
mind.

A man made a similar mistake by lunging at stellar circumpolar motion
and timekeeping averages and drew a tragic conclusion relating to the
rotation of the Earth and it snowballed to such an extent that
ideologies such as 'big bang' are now rampant,not as something which
can be countered as it is a subhuman perspective but a huge lesson for
our race when a group decides that geometry and physical
considerations are jettisoned from astronomy for the sake of modeling
using a pathetic shortcut that is right ascension.

You can't seem to put your own evolutionary past in context of all
other evolutionary histories and that is not just sad,that is a human
tragedy for we exist in the stream of evolution be it human or life in
general or the great terrestrial and astronomical process and not
external to that timeline where poor individuals imagine they have
some type of sight that puts them at a vantage point that nobody in
their right mind would want.

It is a matter of snapping out of a simpleminded conclusion by
whatever means an individual can and into the waking world of men who
can think and face challenges.

Correct, as the evolution of stars and of everything else is only a
forward moving kind of thing, whereas each new stellar generation is
more metallicity worthy than the last, and the combinations of that
ever increasing metallicity are perhaps making some of their own laws
of physics as they get to interact within those fusion and secondary
processes that we clearly do not understand even about our own sun.

Obviously Sirius(B) was quite a large quickie kind of stellar
evolution that happened fast and extremely nearby our well established
solar system. Oddly those Sirius stars remain as somewhat mainstream
forbidden or nondisclosure rated, just like the entire Apollo era with
their rad-hard Kodak film that could not manage from that physically
dark surface or from orbit to ever get any FOVs including either
Sirius or the extremely nearby and vibrant planet Venus.

However we can via forensics go back into our local terrestrial past
in order to reconstruct dinosaur DNA, although stellar evolution
reversal is not an option since everything around us has changed and
continues to change on the fly, so to speak. However, it�s quite
unlikely a perfectly replicated dinosaur species could actually
survive in our time, because again everything around us has changed,
and not always for the better.

Nowadays folks of K12 and better educated seem rather helpless to
deductively interpret much of anything, perhaps because they�ve become
scared to death of whatever authority might think or do about any
truly independent investigative research that�s capable of connecting
other dots and pulling out new or improved interpretations, that could
rock a few of those mainstream boats that are mostly public funded and
highly sought after.

chuckle

Evolution laws, functionality or policy is a moving target, which
might explain why your family tree has so many broken branches.

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......snicker....!

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 14:06:11 -0700, W. eWatson wrote:

When is a new fully formed, and ready for a long life? What indicators
are used? Spectral lines? Color shift?


Though the exact dates and years of a star's evolution into adulthood are
tough to call, these two signs are a good indicator that the star *has*
made it.

1. Male star - wearing only his underwear, hangs around his domicile
drinking beer and watching a stellar football game on a Quasar television.

2. Female star - regrets marrying the male star and takes out suppressed
anger on him by hanging out with the girls and shopping for out-of-this
world bargains.


People are a lot like stars, ya know.