It's been a long road ...

"The Other James" wrote in message
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Hallerb wrote:

It's been a long road ...

True some enterprise episodes werent very good, but that was true of all
of the
series.

Even TNG had some bombs.

"Masks".

"Masks" was pretty bad (Something is wrong with Data!
Again!) but I think the two worst episodes were "Sub Rosa",
a Twilight Zone ghost story masquerading as Star Trek, and
"Night Terrors" which involved the well-trodden ground of
the various crewmembers losing their mental faculties, the
Enterprise being stuck dead in space, an unknown alien
presence, and Troi getting mysterious telepathic visions
that most of the audience figured out right away but which
took the crew another 30 minutes to decipher.

Bruce

On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 11:11:30 GMT, "Bruce Sterling Woodcock"
wrote:


"The Other James" wrote in message
...
Hallerb wrote:

It's been a long road ...

True some enterprise episodes werent very good, but that was true of all
of the
series.

Even TNG had some bombs.

"Masks".

"Masks" was pretty bad (Something is wrong with Data!
Again!) but I think the two worst episodes were "Sub Rosa",
a Twilight Zone ghost story masquerading as Star Trek, and
"Night Terrors" which involved the well-trodden ground of
the various crewmembers losing their mental faculties, the
Enterprise being stuck dead in space, an unknown alien
presence, and Troi getting mysterious telepathic visions
that most of the audience figured out right away but which
took the crew another 30 minutes to decipher.

....And then there was the episode that no other Trek series ever
attempted again - "Shades of Grey", aka "So It's Come To This: A TNG
Clip Show!" That one's considered *the* worst TNG episode by far.

OM

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On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, OM wrote:

On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 11:11:30 GMT, "Bruce Sterling Woodcock"
wrote:


"The Other James" wrote in message
...
Hallerb wrote:

It's been a long road ...

True some enterprise episodes werent very good, but that was true of all
of the
series.

Even TNG had some bombs.

"Masks".

"Masks" was pretty bad (Something is wrong with Data!
Again!) but I think the two worst episodes were "Sub Rosa",
a Twilight Zone ghost story masquerading as Star Trek, and
"Night Terrors" which involved the well-trodden ground of
the various crewmembers losing their mental faculties, the
Enterprise being stuck dead in space, an unknown alien
presence, and Troi getting mysterious telepathic visions
that most of the audience figured out right away but which
took the crew another 30 minutes to decipher.

...And then there was the episode that no other Trek series ever
attempted again - "Shades of Grey", aka "So It's Come To This: A TNG
Clip Show!" That one's considered *the* worst TNG episode by far.

The reason that "Shades of Grey" and other subpar episodes wound up in
TNG's second season (it was also several episodes short of normal as well)
is largely the effect of the writers' strike that was affecting all of the
entertainment industry at that time.
-Mike

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Dicenso writes


On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, OM wrote:

...And then there was the episode that no other Trek series ever
attempted again - "Shades of Grey", aka "So It's Come To This: A TNG
Clip Show!" That one's considered *the* worst TNG episode by far.

The reason that "Shades of Grey" and other subpar episodes wound up in
TNG's second season (it was also several episodes short of normal as well)
is largely the effect of the writers' strike that was affecting all of the
entertainment industry at that time.
-Mike

Didn't several series resort to the flashback formula to get round the
strike?
At least "Shades of Grey" gave UK audiences the chance to see that guy's
head explode - the scene was cut from "Conspiracy" but censors are never
the sharpest knife in the box.
Why did they use the British spelling, BTW?
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void"
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In message .edu, Mike
Dicenso writes


On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, OM wrote:

...And then there was the episode that no other Trek series ever
attempted again - "Shades of Grey", aka "So It's Come To This: A TNG
Clip Show!" That one's considered *the* worst TNG episode by far.

The reason that "Shades of Grey" and other subpar episodes wound up in
TNG's second season (it was also several episodes short of normal as
well)
is largely the effect of the writers' strike that was affecting all of
the
entertainment industry at that time.
-Mike

Didn't several series resort to the flashback formula to get round the
strike?
At least "Shades of Grey" gave UK audiences the chance to see that guy's
head explode - the scene was cut from "Conspiracy" but censors are never
the sharpest knife in the box.
Why did they use the British spelling, BTW?

"Grey" really isn't the "British spelling" anymore.... it's used quite
often in American English. (Personally I think it looks nicer.)

But don't expect us to start using "colour", "armour", or Heaven
forbid, "manoeuvre" anytime soon.

Bruce

Bruce Sterling Woodcock wrote:


"Grey" really isn't the "British spelling" anymore.... it's used quite often in
American English. (Personally I think it looks nicer.)

But don't expect us to start using "colour", "armour", or Heaven forbid,
"manoeuvre" anytime soon.



Chocolate-Chip "biscuits" anyone?
I guess Troi liked 'em...

- George Gassaway

"Jonathan Silverlight" wrote
in message ...
Didn't several series resort to the flashback formula to get round the
strike?
At least "Shades of Grey" gave UK audiences the chance to see that guy's
head explode - the scene was cut from "Conspiracy" but censors are never
the sharpest knife in the box.

I really don't know if any episode can be more revolting than "Conspiracy".
In fact I had to look it up to make sure that was the title, since you
mentioned heads exploding... The bug crawled into that guy and they phasered
him, and at that point everyone in my household agreed that we would turn
off the TV and pretend that this particular episode never happened. I would
imagine that the fan reaction was decidedly negative, and honestly I haven't
heard anything about it since it aired.

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Terrence Daniels writes
"Jonathan Silverlight" wrote
in message ...
Didn't several series resort to the flashback formula to get round the
strike?
At least "Shades of Grey" gave UK audiences the chance to see that guy's
head explode - the scene was cut from "Conspiracy" but censors are never
the sharpest knife in the box.

I really don't know if any episode can be more revolting than "Conspiracy".
In fact I had to look it up to make sure that was the title, since you
mentioned heads exploding... The bug crawled into that guy and they phasered
him, and at that point everyone in my household agreed that we would turn
off the TV and pretend that this particular episode never happened. I would
imagine that the fan reaction was decidedly negative, and honestly I haven't
heard anything about it since it aired.

I'm not enough of a Trekkie to dig for it, but I'd guess that the plan
was to make those bugs the bad guys in future episodes - the end of the
ep is the most blatant "we'll be back" line I've ever seen.
Fan reaction was then highly negative, and they went for the Borg
instead.
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void"
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On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 09:27:17 +0100, Jonathan Silverlight
wrote:

I'm not enough of a Trekkie to dig for it, but I'd guess that the plan
was to make those bugs the bad guys in future episodes - the end of the
ep is the most blatant "we'll be back" line I've ever seen.
Fan reaction was then highly negative, and they went for the Borg
instead.

....It wasn't so much that fan reaction was bad, but that reaction
within the TNG team internally wasn't that much in favor of crawdads
taking over the Federation. Mike & Rick are lurking out there, and
were present when this happened, and might be able to fill us in a bit
better. In any case, it's pretty much accepted that the crawdads were
retooled into the Borg, which wound up being a better kind of villain
overall.

I mean, seriously - could you see a Seven of Nine catsuit on one of
those creepie crawlies?


OM

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"No ******* ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m
his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms
poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society

- General George S. Patton, Jr