Nuclear energy on its way out.:)

Japanese were asked what should be done regarding the nation's nuclear
power plants, 2 percent said more nuclear plants should be built.
Twenty-five percent said they are in favor of the status-quo, while 42
percent said the number of plants should be reduced. Twenty-one
percent said all nuclear power plants should be eliminated.

Germany is elminating all nuke plants by 2020 by making coal fired
plants more efficent. Sorry no link someone else posted this here.

In any case it will likely take one more nuke plant accident to kill
the entire industry. The companies involved can move to cleaning up
old plants...

On 11/07/2011 11:44 PM, bob haller wrote:
Japanese were asked what should be done regarding the nation's nuclear
power plants, 2 percent said more nuclear plants should be built.
Twenty-five percent said they are in favor of the status-quo, while 42
percent said the number of plants should be reduced. Twenty-one
percent said all nuclear power plants should be eliminated.

Germany is elminating all nuke plants by 2020 by making coal fired
plants more efficent.

That's what you get when you have a government that's delusional.

Sylvia.

"bob haller" wrote in message
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Japanese were asked what should be done regarding the nation's nuclear
power plants, 2 percent said more nuclear plants should be built.
Twenty-five percent said they are in favor of the status-quo, while 42
percent said the number of plants should be reduced. Twenty-one
percent said all nuclear power plants should be eliminated.

Germany is eliminating all nuke plants by 2020 by making coal fired
plants more efficient. Sorry no link someone else posted this here.

In any case it will likely take one more nuke plant accident to kill
the entire industry. The companies involved can move to cleaning up
old plants...

First nuclear, next fossil fuels.

With oil only getting scarcer, the third-world and China
will also turn to coal, only without all the fancy -smancy
pollution controls. As the third-world steps up and becomes
as industrialized as the west, we should expect an explosion
in the amount of greenhouse gasses being pumped into the sky
no matter what the west does.

But if China goes to democracy as did the Soviet Union, we
might have a chance of keeping emissions 'survivable'.

The 'Gang of Twelve' people, whose bright smiling faces
adorn the pictures below, OWNS a FIFTH of Humanity
as slaves. No wonder they're smiling.

http://english.gov.cn/2007-10/29/content_24084.htm

We should ALL know their names and faces, and curse the
ground they walk on at every opportunity. That is, if we
wish to leave behind the age of barbarism, and allow
humanity to finally become civilized.


Jonathan

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I wonder what these recent accidents will do to fusion research. Will the
average person think that all nuclear power is the same?


"bob haller" wrote in message
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Japanese were asked what should be done regarding the nation's nuclear
power plants, 2 percent said more nuclear plants should be built.
Twenty-five percent said they are in favor of the status-quo, while 42
percent said the number of plants should be reduced. Twenty-one
percent said all nuclear power plants should be eliminated.

Germany is elminating all nuke plants by 2020 by making coal fired
plants more efficent. Sorry no link someone else posted this here.

In any case it will likely take one more nuke plant accident to kill
the entire industry. The companies involved can move to cleaning up
old plants...

On 12/07/2011 10:06 AM, Richard Stephens wrote:
I wonder what these recent accidents will do to fusion research. Will
the average person think that all nuclear power is the same?

Well, they probably would, but I doubt that matters much as far as
research is concerned. If and when fusion plants were actually being
built around the world, there would have to be some education programs
designed to explain why a fusion plant cannot possibly suffer the kinds
of problem encountered with fission plants.

A good starting point would be a description of how difficult it's
proved to be to get fusion plants to function even when we want them to,
let alone when we don't

Sylvia.

On Jul 11, 3:23*pm, "Jonathan" wrote:

First nuclear, next fossil fuels.

Nuclear energy on its way out. - Don't count on it. China will
continue to build and use nuclear power plants.


With oil only getting scarcer, the third-world and China
will also turn to coal, only without all the fancy -smancy
pollution controls. As the third-world steps up and becomes
as industrialized as the west, we should expect an explosion
in the amount of greenhouse gasses being pumped into the sky
no matter what the west does.

But if China goes to democracy as did the Soviet Union, we
might have a chance of keeping emissions 'survivable'.

When did the Soviet Union become a democracy? if it exist at all?
China is the leader in clean coal technology for quite a while now.
You are talking about something you know nothing about it.


The 'Gang of Twelve' people, whose bright smiling faces
adorn the pictures below, OWNS a FIFTH of Humanity
as slaves. No wonder they're smiling.

You couldn't be more wrong in your whole life. You know nothing, and
you talk non-sense. Go to China and see how free the Chinese are. If
there ever be war with China, you'll be fighting against 1.3 billion
people.


http://english.gov.cn/2007-10/29/content_24084.htm

We should ALL know their names and faces,

Yes, please learn their names and accomplishments in life. You'll be
amazed.

and curse the
ground they walk on at every opportunity.

Boy!! What an ignorant fool you are!!!!

*That is, if we
wish to leave behind the age of barbarism,

Barbarism started with Alexander the Great, and continued on until
now, and it is still going on in Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan. Look at
the destruction and humanities killed since those time.

and allow
humanity to finally become civilized.

Yes, please do. Stop all wars and destruction. Let humanity live in
peace.


Jonathan

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On Jul 11, 6:14*pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 12/07/2011 10:06 AM, Richard Stephens wrote:

I wonder what these recent accidents will do to fusion research. Will
the average person think that all nuclear power is the same?

Well, they probably would, but I doubt that matters much as far as
research is concerned. If and when fusion plants were actually being
built around the world, there would have to be some education programs
designed to explain why a fusion plant cannot possibly suffer the kinds
of problem encountered with fission plants.

A good starting point would be a description of how difficult it's
proved to be to get fusion plants to function even when we want them to,
let alone when we don't

Sylvia.

Any sort of fusion powered source of energy is exactly the same as an
H-bomb. If you can do one, you can just as easily do the other.
Mook's version of a fusion thruster has an exhaust velocity of 33,000
km/sec, so there's really no telling how much global WMD kind of
trouble we'll all be in when most everyone has access to fusion
energy.

I'd still favor going for it, even though it would be technically
impossible to remote detect a fusion powered WMD that doesn't even
have to be all that large or massive.

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On 12/07/2011 11:51 AM, Brad Guth wrote:
On Jul 11, 6:14 pm, Sylvia wrote:
On 12/07/2011 10:06 AM, Richard Stephens wrote:

I wonder what these recent accidents will do to fusion research. Will
the average person think that all nuclear power is the same?

Well, they probably would, but I doubt that matters much as far as
research is concerned. If and when fusion plants were actually being
built around the world, there would have to be some education programs
designed to explain why a fusion plant cannot possibly suffer the kinds
of problem encountered with fission plants.

A good starting point would be a description of how difficult it's
proved to be to get fusion plants to function even when we want them to,
let alone when we don't

Sylvia.

Any sort of fusion powered source of energy is exactly the same as an
H-bomb.

So given that H-bombs already exist, there should be no problem building
fusion reactors.

But there is a problem, so perhaps they're not exactly the same.

Sylvia.

Sylvia Else wrote:
Richard Stephens wrote:

I wonder what these recent accidents will do to fusion research. Will
the average person think that all nuclear power is the same?

The average person avoids irradiated foods because they are radioactive.
Of course whatever illogical nonsense folks come up with will be what
the average person thinks.

Well, they probably would, but I doubt that matters much as far as
research is concerned. If and when fusion plants were actually being
built around the world, there would have to be some education programs
designed to explain why a fusion plant cannot possibly suffer the kinds
of problem encountered with fission plants.

And don't mention that a lot of the energy is in the form of neutrons
that convert the interior of the reactor to radioactive isotopes. The
solved-but-prevented-by-politics problem of radioactive waste will not
change when we go to fusion.

It's been suggested that the earliest important use of fusion as with a
fusion torch to process nuclear waste from fission - All the way from
the early research through spent fuel rods. One product of such a plant
would be mixed oxides of various transuranics. We still need to build
fission plants with a technology like the Candu heavy water slow
breeders to burn up all that MOX.

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@g12g2000yqd.googlegroups.com, says...

Japanese were asked what should be done regarding the nation's nuclear
power plants, 2 percent said more nuclear plants should be built.
Twenty-five percent said they are in favor of the status-quo, while 42
percent said the number of plants should be reduced. Twenty-one
percent said all nuclear power plants should be eliminated.

Basing such important decisions on how the population "feels" about
where they get their power is awfully stupid. Hopefully Japan's leaders
aren't as dumb as the general population.

In any case it will likely take one more nuke plant accident to kill
the entire industry. The companies involved can move to cleaning up
old plants...

You said the same thing repeatedly about the shuttle, now you're crying
because the program is ending!

I have a feeling the Japanese population will feel differently after
they start to see the death toll caused by lack of air conditioning this
summer due to lack of nuclear power. We should keep score here. So
far, zero deaths from radiation. How many deaths due to the heat so
far?

Jeff
--
" Solids are a branch of fireworks, not rocketry. :-) :-) ", Henry
Spencer 1/28/2011