Mars Exploration Rovers Update - February 20, 2004

"Thomas Lee Elifritz" skrev i en meddelelse
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Sure, like like the extraction, refinement and distribution of
hydrocarbons
snip, I'm not into
that game.

Can we expect that your energyconsuming pc will be turned off soon then?

snip

Well, I exercise my freedom of speech by protesting against those who do
physical harm to the planet Earth.

How does this group qualify as a preferential target for such a protest.
There are 60.000 other groups to choose between.

You do eat, don't you?
The last time I looked into it, it was possible to mesure responce in a
plant against hostility action against it. So how are you better than the
rest of us?

snip

So I should show good will to those who physically destroy the planet
Earth?

No, but to the persons that responds to posts in this group. They have
chosen a scientific approach when they turn up here - not a therapeutic
exercise or a war where you are no better patriot than the rest of us.

snip

February 28, 2004

comp.robotics.misc removed by request.

Carsten Troelsgaard wrote:

Sure, like like the extraction, refinement and distribution of


hydrocarbons


snip, I'm not into
that game.



Can we expect that your energy consuming pc will be turned off soon then?


You mean my solar powered laptop?

Well, I exercise my freedom of speech by protesting against those who do
physical harm to the planet Earth.



How does this group qualify as a preferential target for such a protest.
There are 60.000 other groups to choose between.

No, but it's the proper place to discuss Mars geology. Don't worry, were
moving out of here now that we have confirmed Mars biology. Then you can
go back to your polite discussion of rocks.

You do eat, don't you?
The last time I looked into it, it was possible to measure response in a
plant against hostility action against it. So how are you better than the
rest of us?

Chopping down trees and bulldozing land , that is fairly hostile.

I'm not better or worse than anyone, humanity is uniformly screwed up.
I'm am just seriously ****ed off at NASA. I feel better now. Thank-you
all for your concern, I apologize if I have offended you. I come from a
culture where we do not take offense by words or speech, only physical
actions. Many cultures could learn from that, and the world would be a
much better place.

No, but to the persons that responds to posts in this group. They have
chosen a scientific approach when they turn up here - not a therapeutic
exercise or a war where you are no better patriot than the rest of us.

I am not a patriot at all.

Thomas Lee Elifritz
http://elifritz.members.atlantic.net

February 28, 2004

comp.robotics.misc removed by request.

Carsten Troelsgaard wrote:

Millions of people are
able to work out their frustrations in a verbal and non-physical manner


here


every day,



A good therapeutic exercise - wouldn't it fit better in an appropriate group
with that purpose.

You mean a moderated newsgroup? Be my guest.

it's much better than real war.



But obviously war it has to be - What make you think that there is no
casualties?

Flame wars on the usenet? You have a very thin skin, Carsten. But your
english is demonstrably improving here. Keep up the good work.

Thomas Lee Elifritz
http://elifritz.members.atlantic.net

"Thomas Lee Elifritz" skrev i en meddelelse
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But obviously war it has to be - What make you think that there is no
casualties?

Flame wars on the usenet? You have a very thin skin, Carsten.

I think of the ones that turned around after their first post.
Have you got any idea of what this place would look like if your ways were
standard? - there wouldn't be any.
It's a long time ago that I saw a truck in here - go fight your war
somewhere else.
If you have to dress in a tank to do science - do something else

February 28, 2004

Carsten Troelsgaard wrote:

Have you got any idea of what this place would look like if your ways were
standard?

Unmoderated usenet science newsgroups.

It's a long time ago that I saw a truck in here - go fight your war
somewhere else.

It's a war of words. Learn how to use a filter file. It's easy.

If you have to dress in a tank to do science - do something else

Mars to Carsten, do you copy ... over.

We are talking about life on another planet. Carsten. Geological revolt is
expected.

"All truth passes through three stages:

First it is ridiculed.

Second, it is violently opposed.

Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

- Schopenhauer

Thomas Lee Elifritz
http://elifritz.members.atlantic.net

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Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
We are talking about life on another planet. Carsten. Geological revolt is
expected.

"All truth passes through three stages:

First it is ridiculed.

Second, it is violently opposed.

Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

- Schopenhauer

Few people are claiming that there was never any life on
Mars. They're just looking for something much more exotic
than just a...sea-sponge. How boring! Jonathan suffers
from lack of imagination, rather than too much of it. He
needs to think more radically, rather than in this
conventional mind-set.

For example, every one has mentioned that the spherules are
about the size of BBs. But what no one has dared broach is
the thought that...actually...they really are BBs! Why
not? BBs are round, and the spherules are round!

And the white stuff is fossilized whipped cream for sure.
After all, both are white.

The implications are enormous. For example, how did all
that heavy cream get to Mars? I think meteoritic exchange
is most likely. Probably some meteors from Earth with
bovine DNA got to Mars, probably aided by a black hole
hidden in the hollow Moon.

Now, we know that DNA encode genes, and we know that genes
can cross species. Those genes obviously found their way
into some Martian bacteria, probably aided by a Martian
retrovirus. So the bacteria started creating heavy cream.
The cream was whipped up by all those Martian dust devils.

As to the interesting texture of the white stuff, well, it's
obvious that the bacteria got mad cow disease from the
bovine DNA. (And any complaint about bacteria having no
neural tissue is just reductionist thinking.)

I'm still working on figuring out how the BBs got in the
whipped cream, but I'm sure I can figure it out as long as I
properly apply complexity science. I suspect it has
something to do with parallel evolution, and the Martians
attacking the BSE-infested, cream-producing bacteria with BB
guns.

And if anyone ridicules these truths, it just strengthens my
case, because all truth is at first ridiculed.

"Thomas Lee Elifritz" skrev i en meddelelse
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February 28, 2004

Carsten Troelsgaard wrote:

Have you got any idea of what this place would look like if your ways
were
standard?

Unmoderated usenet science newsgroups.

It would be as cosy as hearing Jack Nicholson in 'The hotel' saying
"Haloouuoo, I'm hoome"

It's a long time ago that I saw a truck in here - go fight your war
somewhere else.

It's a war of words.

I recieved two 'Crackpot' and one 'Idiot' without further comment. You
misunderstood the guy who told you about a verbal war - he ment arguing is
like a swordfight - he would have talked about terrorism otherwise.

Learn how to use a filter file. It's easy.

I did that, and you enforced yourself back.

If you have to dress in a tank to do science - do something else

Mars to Carsten, do you copy ... over.

We are talking about life on another planet. Carsten. Geological revolt is
expected.

"All truth passes through three stages:

First it is ridiculed.

Second, it is violently opposed.

Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

- Schopenhauer

I don't oppose the general idea.

You have a bright future. With a guitar.

February 29, 2004

Kenneth Chiu wrote:

[nonsense snipped]

And if anyone ridicules these truths, it just strengthens my
case, because all truth is at first ridiculed.

Only a 'crackpot' would ridicule your 'truths', because they are not self
evident.

You aren't asking the right questions. Indeed, you aren't asking any questions.

Why are the spherules within an order of magnitude the same size? Why are they
relatively evenly distributed, often in layered and linear chains? Why is the
spherule formation so persistent and wide spread? Why is there little or no
crater ejecta? Why does there only 'appear' to be surface hematite? Why is the
hematite distributed over a huge area, but not observed in other areas on Mars?

I can think of many other questions that only the spectroscopy can answer. The
gemmule hypothesis is just that, a hypothesis. It could be easily knocked down
by spectroscopy, or astronauts on the surface.

Thomas Lee Elifritz
http://elifritz.members.atlantic.net

February 29, 2004

Carsten Troelsgaard wrote:

Learn how to use a filter file. It's easy.

I did that, and you enforced yourself back.

So you claim I hacked your filter file. I have a usenet account and a google
account, and one name, but I do occasionally make typos. Perhaps the usenet is
not for you. I can suggest you take a vote on sci.geo.moderated. I note that
sci.space.moderated was pretty much a failure.

Now will you please continue describing to us your theories on Mars geology,
they were so entertaining. I promise to reserve comment from now on, if you
promise to continue discussing it.

Thomas Lee Elifritz
http://elifritz.members.atlantic.net