Dragon landing on Mars video

On May 1, 7:29*pm, Alan Erskine wrote:
On 1/05/2011 10:16 PM, bob haller wrote:





Hard to bury your vehicle under the Martian surface until you get
there....

you send robotic vehicles ahead unmanned...... land the base camp
probably a group of trans hab inflatables, and have the robots
execvate assemble inflate and bury the base camp..

install a landing pad with comm system for auto land.

around mars communication and GPS satellites are placed in permanent
orbit so communication will always be possible.and location info will
be exact. no matter where on the planet. a secondary base camp is
installed on a pole

the entire planet has rovers looking for areas of interest, the rovers
are AI some will be lost to accidents, but enough will be sent losses
wouldnt be a issue. astronauts may be able to salvage some once they
arrive

a few mini bases, are deployeed too. just like base camp but smaller
used for exploration and in a emergency a place to hole up, in case
base camp somehow got destroyed

need a bunch of crawler transporter excursion vehicles, with living
quarters for astronauts

the transit vehicle must have nuke engine to minimize transit ttime to
decrease raiation exposure. These should go in pairs one unmanned or
minimally manned in case a transit vehicle had a problem. 2 vehicles
each sufficent to support the entire crew might help with boredom and
social issues. Hey I will go visit bill and sharon at transit 2 and
get away from harry who is irritating me.

a return pair of flyers should be on station at mars just in case the
outbound vehicles have issues and cant get back.

a prototype transit vehicle should make a few laps back and forth
before sending a crewed one. it could bring back samples to a mars ISS
isolation lab, so a mars virus cant somehow wipe out mankind

this isnt flags and footprints its a permanent base

This is getting to be a bad habit, but I agree with Bob on most of this.
* I'm still not convinced that nuke is the best way, especially for the
comparitively small power needed for an initial outpost/base. *What
about wind technology combined with solar and fuel cells (wind when it
blows and combined solar for day and fuel cells at night [just like what
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Well if they are using nuke for transit craft propulsion a base camp
nuke plant wouldnt cost much extra, the transit part would make it
affordable and the power could be used to make fuel for the return to
orbit vehicle, saving weight and complexity.

why have fueled vehicle sitting on mars soil if liftoff for eturn is a
couple years or more away?.

given mars low pressure windmills may not be effective and dust storms
can muck up solar panel systems

In sci.space.history David Spain wrote:

You know if we *had* a really good quantum traveling device,
everyone could get a chance to be everywhere at least once in their
lifetime.

When it went wrong they could be everywhere all at once.

rick jones
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In sci.space.history Pat Flannery wrote:

Titan is the perfect place to land via parachutes; the atmosphere is
twice as dense as Earth, while the gravity is about 1/6 of Earth's. In
short, on Titan you can get away with the old cartoon trick of safely
descending under a umbrella.

I fear even then, making an umbrella that stout is a lost art. The
last particularly stout bumbershoot was probably Mary Poppins' and the
old codger who made it died somewhere in London 25 years ago after
making the last Miltary Assault Umbrella Service Elizabeth Regent
model.

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Rick Jones wrote:
In sci.space.history David Spain wrote:

You know if we *had* a really good quantum traveling device,
everyone could get a chance to be everywhere at least once in their
lifetime.

When it went wrong they could be everywhere all at once.


No, when it went wrong they would *remain* everywhere.

Let's see that computer controller menu selector:

Select a command:

qcde - quantum controller destructor execute
qced - quantum controller excursion designator



;-)

Dave