Chapt23 Layered age of the Solar System and zircon crystals #397 AtomTotality 4th ed

Imagine what a very nice upheaval of the geology and astronomy
community, both,
if a zircon crystal showed up tomorrow that was measured to be 8 or
even 10 billion
years old. It would not be believed, and acceptance would not come
easily, it eventually
it has to be believed and accepted.

Subject: zircon crystals almost 10 billion years old ; Atom Totality
theory

The below is a copy of the 2nd edition on this topic.
I believe some future date we shall have an announcement of a
discovered zircon crystals that are
far older than 5 billion years; and some coming in at
close to 10 billion years.

And, I am rather confident that some scientist in the past has done a
age measurement of perhaps
zircon crystals and found his measurement to be 8 to 10 billion
years
old and said to himself "This
cannot be right, and for the sake of my career to dismiss it as a
flubb-up" Perhaps several incidents
of this has already happened and where the researchers never
published
it because it was far from
the 4 to 5 billion years age everyone else was getting.


So I would not be surprized at all that one or two or several people
in the past, who were measuring the
age of Earth, whether via zircon crystals or some other route, that
they may have landed on a
8 to 10 billion age but since the rest of the world was landing on 4
to 5 billion years, they quietly
discarded their work.


But the truth will come out and there are other zircon crystals or
other methods, and this time when
someone finds a 10 billion age for Earth, they will not throw it out
but have it published, and have it
the center of attention.


In an Atom Totality we have "layered age of the Cosmos" and layered
ages of the bodies in Solar Systems. Layered
because we can have 20 billion year old stars inside a 8 billion
year
old new addition to the cosmos of the
Plutonium Atom Mini-bang inside the older Uranium Atom Totality.


In fact we may find 60 billion year old stars or 100 billion year old
stars as we probe deeper into layers of the
previous Atom Totalities.


And this layering of ages would also be found in the Solar System
where the Sun and inner planets are
far older than the outer planets.


The point of this post is a question to the custodians of the zircon
crystal that dates Earth to 4.4
billion years old crust.


http://www.news.wisc.edu/newsphotos/zircon.html


The question is whether the dating is a one-time experiment and
whether the dating can be many
times repeated? Can we repeat experiment and verify the 4.4 billion
year age. Or do we ruin the crystal
after one run of dating?


I am hoping that these zircon crystals can be repeat-dated and that
we
do not ruin the crystal after dating
it. So can someone provide the answer?


And a second question. Where in the inner planets would one easily
find zircon crystals laying about?
Would Mars have zircon crystals? Would the asteroids such as Vesta
and
meteorites have zircon
crystals? So where in the inner planets are zircon crystals to be
found and where in the outer planets
would we likely find zircon crystals?


Do the comets have zircon crystals?


It is funny that we may best prove the Big Bang is false here in our
own backyard of the Cosmos by
finding that the Earth is 8 to 10 billion years old and Jupiter is
only 4 billion years old.


Also, I suspect some scientist has already found a zircon that is
much
older than 5 billion years. They
may have found one that reads 8 billion years old but were so
shocked
at this finding that they figured it
must have been wrong and never did anything about it. So I would not
be surprized they tucked it away
in some cabinet feeling it was a flubbed experiment. I hope they are
reading this post and retrieving their
anomaly.


David Bernier wrote:
I think they could be repeat-dated at least once or twice.
*According to:
http://www.geology.wisc.edu/%7Evalle...2001Nature.pdf,
Wilde, Valley, Peck & Graham:
"Evidence from detrital zircons for the existence of continental
* * crust and oceans on the Earth 4.4 Gyr ago", Letters to Nature,
* * Nature, v. 409, 11 Jan. 2001,
analyses of isotope ratios were done in two sessions.
After the first session, approximately 20 micrometers
were ground off the surface of the zircon. *In each measurement
session, about eight tiny pits were made in the surface of the
zircon. *Their zircon measured about 220 by 160
micrometers. *It seems sensible to me that another
20 microns could be ground off so as to obtain a third
dataset of isotope ratios.

Thanks for the answer. I was hoping that verification of a date would
not be a once or twice session. Perhaps there is a consolation, in
that a rock which has a zircon crystal has thousands of zircon
crystals of
the same age-reckoning.


So that if we find a Vesta-meteorite and a zircon thereof measuring
8 to 10 billion years old, that there are thousands of those zircon
crystals of that age-reckoning.


I made a Google search with these key words:
zircon anomaly solar system age


What I am looking for is whether any zircon research came up with a
age that was far beyond the usual of 4 to 5 billion years of age?
And
where
the researchers would then exclaim "oops, a big mistake and toss
their
work away". Of course such a finding would not have been published.
But what may be published is where alot of researchers get zircons
which
seem to date greater than the expected 4.4 or 4.5 or 4.6 billion
years
but
consistently date say 5.1 or 5.2 or 5.3 billion years. So that the
researchers
would not have thrown away those "higher aged zircons" but not have
published.


I guess what I really need is whether a symposium of this field of
experts on
zircons ever took place where the talk focused on whether anyone ran
across
higher aged zircons stretching anywhere from 5 to 10 billion years
age.
I don't imagine this field of experts as a large crowd and so if any
"high age"
was found that the experts could easily recount or reassemble those
incidents.


This below is the best I could find on anomalies:


--- begin quoting in parts this website ---
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache...p.anu.edu.au/p...


The oldest zircons in the solar system
T.R. Ireland a and F. Wlotzka b
Research School of Earth Sciences, The Australian National
University,
Canberra, ACT 2601, Australia
b Abteilung Kosmochemie, Mco:-Planck-lnstitut fiir Chemie, D-6500
Mainz, Germany
Received September 27, 1991; revision accepted December 19, 1991
ABSTRACT
Here we report the occurrence, chemistry, and U-Th-Pb isotopic
systematics of three meteoritic zircon assemblages, two


(snipped)


Pb concentration. The mean of the two analyses made on VM-2 zircon is
concordant with
a
2°7pb/2°6pb age of 4563 _+ 15
Ma (2r). The Simmern zircon has an exceptionally low U concentration
of around 180 ppb and only a poorly constrained
2°7pb/2°6Pb age of 4100 _+ 700 Ma could be obtained.
1. Introduction
Zircons have found widespread application in
geochronology because of their often high con-
centrations of U and Th and low inherent con-
centrations of Pb, and their high resistance to
chronological resetting in geological processes.
However, while zircons are common constituents
of a wide range of terrestrial rocks, meteoritic
zircons are quite rare. The main reason for their
lack is related to the unsuitable bulk composi-
tions of the majority of meteorite types; the chon-
dritic abundance of Zr is less than 4 ppm [1].
However, differentiated meteorites, and in partic-
ular eucrites, can have much higher Zr concen-
trations (up to 70 ppm in eucrites, e.g. [2,3]) and
therefore the possibility of finding zircon is much
greater. Indeed it is from meteorites of the eu-
crite-howardite-diogenite-mesosiderite associa-
tion, that the majority of zircons have been re-
ported.


--- end quoting the website listed above ---


That is bad news that meteorites have few zircons
but hopefully if a meteorite is found to have a zircon
aged 10 billion years old that it has perhaps 100 such
zircons of that same age.


Archimedes Plutonium
http://www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies