LISA, gravitational wave hunter, cancelled

On 4/11/11 1:12 PM, herbert glazier wrote:
On Apr 9, 2:27 pm, Yousuf wrote:
LISA, the Gravitational Wave Hunter, Canceled : Discovery News
"April is proving to be the cruelest month for the Laser Interferometer
Space Antenna (LISA), a major space mission to look for gravitational
waves that was slated for launch around 2015. But news broke this week
that NASA is abandoning funding for the project, which means the U.S.
will cede its role in developing this critical instrument in order to
redirect funds to the James Webb Space Telescope (JWST). Sure, money is
tight these days, and we need a replacement for the aging Hubble Space
Telescope. It's still a sad, sad day for physics."http://news.discovery.com/space/a-farewell-to-lisa-110408.html

Not sad,but reality Gravity is the weakest force,Gravity is the
strongest force.As the weakest force its non detectable. To look for
gravitation in space would be the worse place. Much worse than
dete4cting on Earth's surface. Gravity was the strongest force a
tillionth of a second before the BB. That is reality TreBert

What do you mean BEFORE the BB?

On 11/04/2011 17:07, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 11 Apr 2011 16:25:24 +0100) it happened Martin Brown
wrote in
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No use arguing with your Einstein religion. I do not are with Jehovas either.

Your "argument", such as it is is that because you do not understand a
word of Einstein's theory of relativity then it must be wrong.

It *is* wrong because it is just a Jewish plot to boost their image.

Your anti-Semitism is a pathetically weak argument against relativity.

So disagreeing with Einstein makes you anti-semitic, well that shows your frame of mind.

You brought up his being Jewish as if that somehow affected validity of
his physics. The equations stand in their own right and if they predict
how the universe behaves it doesn't matter who first wrote them down.

Einstone was pretty much a political figure used to bolster the Jewish image after WW2.
He never did any experiment himself, stole from Bose, and others,
basically was an ashole.
Not that I like Jewish murderes who keep Palestinians in camps, not at all.
They have violated over 400 UN resolutions, do whetever they feel like
are just as bad or worse than what they say the Germans did to them.
Time they got a lesson.

You sound once again like you are in favour of the final solution.

And anyway there were plenty of others who could easily have completed
the argument once Maxwell's equations had shown speed of light to be a
universal constant.

They do not.

Yes they do. It was one of the surprises of early electromagnetism.


They should have used a real scientist.
Just a WW2 relict.

His major work was in 1905 annus mirabilis and well before WWI never
mind WWII. The combatants even allowed Eddington safe passage to observe
the solar eclipse in 1919 in the first attempt to verify Einsteins
predictions for GR effects on stars near the sun.

That was actually not so easy to interpret, but already then results were fiddled
so Einstein looked better.

You are deranged. More modern experiments have verified these
predictions and other GR effects very precisely and even found faults in
the computer algebra package used to derive TDT in the mid 1980's.

A religion is so much easier to believe in than working with real data.

Theoreticians work out the models and experimentalists test them. Or
conversely experimentalists find new unexpected observations and then
theoreticians work out an explanation - Einstein has done both.

He had the Nobel prize for nearly two decades before WWII (and he got it
for explaining the photoelectric effect rather than for relativity).

That is the biggest joke of it all.
he is completely wrong about 'photons particles of light',
and I have explained in the past here how do explain the photo electric effect
from the wave perspective.

You are deranged.

Many scientist at that time objected to Einstone getting that prize, just like China
objected to giving some trouble maker the peace prize.

100 authors against Einstein as I recall was another anti-Semitic work.
ISTR his riposte was "If I were wrong, one would be enough."

That prize is a political award, even given to mass murderers if it the US so pleases.

The Nobel committee is Norwegian and fiercely independent.

Unfortunately it kills real science and replaces it with a yes-saying brain dead crowd,
You do not even know you have been had, but you COULD have figured it out if you looked at
all the NULL results from LIGO, CERN, ITER, no fusion power, no better weapons, nothing from the physicks cloned after WW2 using
Einsteins dogma.
All brain dead, lost generation, you are part of it.

Einstein's physics or if you prefer Newman-Penroses reformulation of it
works extremely well and has survived innumerable experimental tests. It
is entirely possible that it will one day be supplanted by an even more
complete theory but that theory will contain SR & GR as a weak field
limiting case in the same way as Newtonian dynamics are to SR&GR.

I would much rather see the square kilometer array get built.
http://www.skatelescope.org/the-technology/

There are no civilisations within radio reach, and even if we could receive those,
then we could not decode those.

No but it will bring a lot more pulsars and fine structure in active
galaxies within our ability to observe in detail.

The window is too small, their transmissions would sound like noise at the most to us.
You need a different kind of medium to go there.

Civilisations are probably only radio bright as non-thermal sources from
the moment they invent the klystron until they invent digital TV. In our
case that amounts to 50-60 years out of 4.5 billion. The odds are not
good at eavesdropping on celestial neighbours.

The SKA 0telescope is interesting because it will be a lot more
sensitive and able to resolve complex structures fine detail than
anything we have so far. Every step change in instrumentation has led to
new serendipitous discoveries like pulsars.

Regards,
Martin Brown

On a sunny day (Mon, 11 Apr 2011 21:11:10 +0100) it happened Martin Brown
wrote in
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On 11/04/2011 17:07, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 11 Apr 2011 16:25:24 +0100) it happened Martin Brown
wrote in
:

No use arguing with your Einstein religion. I do not are with Jehovas either.

Your "argument", such as it is is that because you do not understand a
word of Einstein's theory of relativity then it must be wrong.

It *is* wrong because it is just a Jewish plot to boost their image.

Your anti-Semitism is a pathetically weak argument against relativity.

So disagreeing with Einstein makes you anti-semitic, well that shows your frame of mind.

You brought up his being Jewish as if that somehow affected validity of
his physics. The equations stand in their own right and if they predict
how the universe behaves it doesn't matter who first wrote them down.

Einstone was pretty much a political figure used to bolster the Jewish image after WW2.
He never did any experiment himself, stole from Bose, and others,
basically was an ashole.
Not that I like Jewish murderes who keep Palestinians in camps, not at all.
They have violated over 400 UN resolutions, do whetever they feel like
are just as bad or worse than what they say the Germans did to them.
Time they got a lesson.

You sound once again like you are in favour of the final solution.

Time

Mosquitos
Not you.

On Apr 11, 11:46*am, Eric Gisse wrote:
On Apr 11, 9:07*am, Jan Panteltje wrote:
[snip spew]

Why even post to a sci.* newsgroup when you obviously have no personal
interest in science?


And it's getting worst every day. You have to waste a lot of time
To find and intelligent scientific conversation because of
Off topic posters.

r.y

On 4/11/11 7:35 PM, Raymond Yohros wrote:
And it's getting worst every day. You have to waste a lot of time
To find and intelligent scientific conversation because of
Off topic posters.

r.y

I'm sorry it's getting worse every day, Raymond.
How Distractions Cause 'Senior Moments'
A new study shows why the brains of older adults sometimes struggle to
switch between tasks

http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceno...senior-mo.html

On Apr 10, 6:35*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 4/10/11 3:11 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:

we KNOW ***LIGO*** sees nothing. Neither did Michelson Morley (sort of a small version of LIGO)

Betcha don't understand the difference between LOGO and
Michelson–Morley experiment, Jan.

You should also know the previous evidence of gravitational
waves. The Hulse-Taylor Pulsar - Evidence of Gravitational Waves
* *http://www.astro.cf.ac.uk/research/g...ge=3thehulseta...

Sam Read about the "Probe B Satellite" It hopes to detect and measure
frame dragging of the Earth.If detected it will prove how clever
Einstein and Mach were. It would give confirmation to my "SPin is in
Theory" My convex curve as well as Einsteins concave curve. Kicker is
I know Probe B four gyros will not give out the information. I even
know why TreBert

On Apr 12, 12:46*pm, herbert glazier
wrote:
On Apr 10, 6:35*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:

On 4/10/11 3:11 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:

we KNOW ***LIGO*** sees nothing. Neither did Michelson Morley (sort of a small version of LIGO)

Betcha don't understand the difference between LOGO and
Michelson–Morley experiment, Jan.

You should also know the previous evidence of gravitational
waves. The Hulse-Taylor Pulsar - Evidence of Gravitational Waves
* *http://www.astro.cf.ac.uk/research/g...ge=3thehulseta...

Sam Read about the "Probe B Satellite" It hopes to detect and measure
frame dragging of the Earth.If detected it will prove how clever
Einstein and Mach were. It would give confirmation to my "SPin is in
Theory" My convex curve as well as Einsteins concave curve. *Kicker is
I know Probe B four gyros will not give out the information. *I even
know why * TreBert

Apparently you don't know enough to go read the up on the results of
the mission.

On 4/12/11 2:46 PM, herbert glazier wrote:
On Apr 10, 6:35 pm, Sam wrote:
On 4/10/11 3:11 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:

we KNOW ***LIGO*** sees nothing. Neither did Michelson Morley (sort of a small version of LIGO)

Betcha don't understand the difference between LOGO and
Michelson–Morley experiment, Jan.

You should also know the previous evidence of gravitational
waves. The Hulse-Taylor Pulsar - Evidence of Gravitational Waves
http://www.astro.cf.ac.uk/research/g...ge=3thehulseta...

Sam Read about the "Probe B Satellite" It hopes to detect and measure
frame dragging of the Earth.If detected it will prove how clever
Einstein and Mach were. It would give confirmation to my "SPin is in
Theory" My convex curve as well as Einsteins concave curve. Kicker is
I know Probe B four gyros will not give out the information. I even
know why TreBert

Herb -- Gravity Probe B already happened and verified frame dragging.
WHERE WERE YOU?

On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Apr 2011 20:16:30 -0500) it happened Sam Wormley
wrote in :

On 4/12/11 2:46 PM, herbert glazier wrote:
On Apr 10, 6:35 pm, Sam wrote:
On 4/10/11 3:11 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:

we KNOW ***LIGO*** sees nothing. Neither did Michelson Morley (sort of a small version of LIGO)

Betcha don't understand the difference between LOGO and
Michelson–Morley experiment, Jan.

You should also know the previous evidence of gravitational
waves. The Hulse-Taylor Pulsar - Evidence of Gravitational Waves
http://www.astro.cf.ac.uk/research/g...ge=3thehulseta...

Sam Read about the "Probe B Satellite" It hopes to detect and measure
frame dragging of the Earth.If detected it will prove how clever
Einstein and Mach were. It would give confirmation to my "SPin is in
Theory" My convex curve as well as Einsteins concave curve. Kicker is
I know Probe B four gyros will not give out the information. I even
know why TreBert

Herb -- Gravity Probe B already happened and verified frame dragging.

It verified nothing.
The mechanics were kindergarten level or lower.
After month of mathematical fiddling with the results they could not remove the errors.

Nevertheless 'frame dragging' is real,
I also explained how that happens in a Le Saga model here long time ago.
It is quite obvious from that model, that the Le Saga particles that actual make it through the earth, but interacted,
have slight added circular momentum, and in turn make objects close to earth move in the same direction.
No magic space time, no bull****, just simple mechanics.



WHERE WERE YOU?

Andromeda, among other places.

On Apr 13, 1:17*am, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 12 Apr 2011 20:16:30 -0500) it happened Sam Wormley
wrote in :









On 4/12/11 2:46 PM, herbert glazier wrote:
On Apr 10, 6:35 pm, Sam *wrote:
On 4/10/11 3:11 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:

we KNOW ***LIGO*** sees nothing. Neither did Michelson Morley (sort of a small version of LIGO)

Betcha don't understand the difference between LOGO and
Michelson Morley experiment, Jan.

You should also know the previous evidence of gravitational
waves. The Hulse-Taylor Pulsar - Evidence of Gravitational Waves
* *http://www.astro.cf.ac.uk/research/g...ge=3thehulseta...

Sam Read about the "Probe B Satellite" It hopes to detect and measure
frame dragging of the Earth.If detected it will prove how clever
Einstein and Mach were. It would give confirmation to my "SPin is in
Theory" My convex curve as well as Einsteins concave curve. *Kicker is
I know Probe B four gyros will not give out the information. *I even
know why * TreBert

* Herb -- Gravity Probe B already happened and verified frame dragging.

It verified nothing.

Other than frame dragging, and geodetic precession. The two primary
goals of the mission.

The mechanics were kindergarten level or lower.

Then let us see your analysis.

After month of mathematical fiddling with the results they could not remove the errors.

Making **** up only works when people don't know better, Jan.


Nevertheless 'frame dragging' is real,
I also explained how that happens in a Le Saga model here long time ago.

Yes, you do try to explain. You just never have any actual
calculations.

It is quite obvious from that model, that the Le Saga particles that actual make it through the earth, but interacted,
have slight added circular momentum, and in turn make objects close to earth move in the same direction.
No magic space time, no bull****, just simple mechanics.

Then you should be able to calculate the effects.


* WHERE WERE YOU?

Andromeda, among other places.