During the middle of the Eocene, about 40 million years ago...

On Nov 4, 9:39*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
The Dependable Warmer

From January to July where you live there is a huge temperature
increase and you can't explain it,there are only two motions involved
and you can't comprehend the separate daily and orbital motions to
conclude that seasonal temperature fluctuations are best described
using daily rotation to the central Sun that causes the daylight/
darkness cycle and the separate orbital daylight/darkness cycle best
appreciated through understanding the cycle at the polar coordinates
where 6 months of daylight is followed by 6 months of darkness due
solely to the orbital behavior of the Earth.

That is the only dependable warmer you need to consider before
launching into a minor atmospheric gas.

On 11/4/10 4:45 PM, oriel36 wrote:
From January to July where you live there is a huge temperature
increase and you can't explain it

The angle of incident sunlight goes from less than 25° above the
horizon around noon on the winter solstice to more than 71° above
the horizon around noon on the summer solstice. My part of the
world absorbs way more sunlight (and IR) causing warmer temperatures
in the summer than winter.

These are things you should have learned in school, Gerald.

On 11/4/10 5:19 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 11/4/10 4:45 PM, oriel36 wrote:
From January to July where you live there is a huge temperature
increase and you can't explain it

The angle of incident sunlight goes from less than 25° above the
horizon around noon on the winter solstice to more than 71° above
the horizon around noon on the summer solstice. My part of the
world absorbs way more sunlight (and IR) causing warmer temperatures
in the summer than winter.

These are things you should have learned in school, Gerald.



A necessary condition for this angular change is the fact that the
rotational axis of the earth is tilted with respect to the normal
of the ecliptic by roughly 23.5° .

On Nov 4, 11:06*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:

* *A necessary condition for this angular change is the fact that the
* *rotational axis of the earth is tilted with respect to the normal
* *of the ecliptic by roughly 23.5° .

Once you discover that the reasons behind the 6 months of darkness
followed by 6 months of daylight at the polar coordinates (where daily
rotation is residual) arises solely from the orbital behavior of the
Earth,you are half way to explaining the temperature fluctuations at
lower latitudes where it mixes with daily rotation.As the orbital
daylight/darkness cycle is now common knowledge I had hoped even an
anonymous reader would take a crack at normal language and explain it
to you instead of that robotic statement you just made.

On Nov 4, 11:49*pm, oriel36 wrote:
I had hoped even an
anonymous reader would take a crack at normal language and explain it
to you instead of that robotic statement you just made.

Remember Kelleher simulates stupidity to annoy, frustrate and
generally wind-up people.

If you don't believe me let's do a little test.

Kelleher wrote "on acknowledging the slow and uneven orbital turning
of the Earth to the central Sun"
So Gerald please explain in extreme detail what you mean by this.

On Nov 5, 8:08*am, badastrobuster wrote:
On Nov 4, 11:49*pm, oriel36 wrote:

I had hoped even an
anonymous reader would take a crack at normal language and explain it
to you instead of that robotic statement you just made.

Remember Kelleher simulates stupidity to annoy, frustrate and
generally wind-up people.

If you don't believe me let's do a little test.


I do not condescend to readers or put them to the test,the question as
to where the polar daylight/darkness cycle comes from more or less
takes care of the dynamical insight into the orbital behavior of the
Earth as it turns slowly and unevenly to the central Sun.There is an
analogy by imitation where a broom handle substitutes for daily
rotation and the polar coordinates and the line of a person's body and
the specific way they walk around a central object (while keeping the
broom handle pointing consistently to the same external point) as a
means to imitate the orbital behavior of the Earth.It takes all of a
few minutes to put the analogy and observations in order and as
different rules now apply,I would be indifferent to people who can't
interpret the information properly whereas before there was room for
refining the insight and the analogy.


Kelleher wrote "on acknowledging the slow and uneven orbital turning
of the Earth to the central Sun"
So Gerald please explain in extreme detail what you mean by this.

After the dynamical inputs are in order,then the real work begins.A
person who resides at polar latitudes is not fried during the time he
experiences constant solar radiation during the 6 month period where
the Sun is visible,this gets rid of the tendency to reference
temperature fluctuations between January and July based on inclination
to solar radiation and puts emphasis on planetary dynamics where the
major cause of temperature fluctuations belong.The general rule is
that the greater the variations in daylight/darkness amounts at
different latitudes tend to follow greater variations in temperature
fluctuations over an orbital cycle such as experienced between
equatorial and polar regions in such a way that the focus shifts away
from localized inclination to solar radiation and takes more stock of
the modifying factors between latitudes,

In short,once you ask the question about the polar daylight/darkness
cycle you have already begun to investigate the orbital component and
almost answer the question without any prompting,from experience I see
that it is already common knowledge even without making it into
mainstream literature and have absolutely no doubt that readers here
partly see how large a modification it actually is.Possibly somebody
could go some way to put the explanation into graphical form for the
first time where a combination of daily rotation and orbital motion to
the central Sun takes care of the major astronomical components in the
seasonal explanation and almost the sole reason why natural noon
cycles vary.

On Nov 4, 10:19*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 11/4/10 4:45 PM, oriel36 wrote:

*From January to July where you live there is a huge temperature
increase and you can't explain it

* *The angle of incident sunlight goes from less than 25 above the
* *horizon around noon on the winter solstice to more than 71 above
* *the horizon around noon on the summer solstice. My part of the
* *world absorbs way more sunlight (and IR) causing warmer temperatures
* *in the summer than winter.

* *These are things you should have learned in school, Gerald.

Oldest lesson in the world is that if you can't be trusted with
fundamental things,you can't be trusted with complex issues.There are
only two motions involved and you refuse to recognize the orbital
daylight/darkness cycle where there is a single day/night cycle
arising from the orbital motion of the Earth and coincident with an
orbital period.The temperature fluctuation between January and July
where you live,excluding geographical modifications,is due to the
length of time you latitude spends in solar radiation or in the
orbital shadow of the Earth and that depends on acknowledging the slow
and uneven orbital turning of the Earth to the central Sun.

No point in wasting time explaining that you are trying to explain 6
month temperature fluctuations referencing the poles to the Sun
whereas the correct approach is to begin with temperature fluctuations
at the equator and see the greater fluctuations occur in tandem with
the greater latitudinal variations between daylight and darkness
towards polar latitudes and that means looking at the changing
relationship between the Earth's two daylight/darkness cycles and
their respective motions.You refuse to acknowledge the orbital
daylight/darkness cycle but then again you can't even recognize the
correspondence between daily rotation and the daylight/darkness cycle
as you believe there are 366 1/4 rotations in a year.

You probably wanted to say 'tilt to the orbital plane' like you used
to do but I guess you have caught up with the analogy of broom and
central object in imitating the orbital behavior of the Earth.