It's been a long road ...

"Bill Harris" wrote in message
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That's not right. They've tied Vulcan mind melding into homosexuality?


No, they didn't. They used T'Pol's disease as an allegory to AIDS and
AIDS
related discrimination. Homosexuality was not mentioned.

Bill Harris

Sci-Fi Quote of the month:
"We will never forgive and we will never forget." - Stilgar, "Dune"


T'Pol got the disease through an act considered deviant behavior
(metaphor: AIDS & Homosexualality) by Vulcans. She was forced into this
activity (metaphor: Raped). T'Pol is a main character, so the disease had
to be the result of force (the writers did not feel they could get away with
painting T'Pol as a deviant, yet) She refused to seek treatment from the
Vulcans, because of a feeling of shame (an emotion?). She had no reason to
feel shame (she was feeling guilty, this is a story line that is involved in
damn near every TV movie that involves rape). Homosexuality was not
mentioned in the story, but neither was AIDS. The idea of the writers was
premised on the idea that the Vulcans in the 22nd century are closed minded,
and that once all the mind melters were able to come out of the closet, it
paved the way for Spock in the 23rd century to get his freak on two are
three times a season. When Spock, in a hundred years, does it is considered
a good thing. Top it off with the whole AIDS/Discrimination public service
message at the end of the show, I think the meaning was clear.

The underlying message was "don't be prejudiced against deviant
behavior, even though it results in diseases and other negative
complications. You might even like it!!". I should not have to defend
myself, but will anyway. I tolerate, and am civil to people I know who are
homosexual. What these adults do with each other is their business. I do
not think that homosexualality is "normal", but if it makes these guys
happy, whatever... I just don't care to have the writers try to trick me
into reconsidering my beliefs, based upon a conjured up story.

I would not be surprise to see an episode written that involves a
religious zealots who plan to destroy whole cities by getting followers to
fly highjacked spaceships into them setting off the antimatter pods as they
do so. The planet these beings are from have declared the total
obliteration of all other cavitations as there purpose. The plot and
message of the story will be how unfair it is that the being (people,
lifeforms) of the other planets in their solar system don't like them and
check their luggage more closely when they visit. Muslim extremist,
airplanes, Iran, Taliban, buildings, Islam, and liberals who don't believe
evil people exist are not mentioned, but the meaning will be clear.

There was an episode of the TOS where the Enterprise (NCC-1701) pays a
visit to a planet that is supposed to be only at the stoneage, could be
bronze age (spears & bow and arrows), stage of development. Kirk and McCoy
beam down to find that one of the tribes on the planet has flintlocks now.
Well there is the usually action adventure story that involves badly
choreographed fight scenes that have doubles that look nothing like the
actors. It is found out that infact the Klingons are supplying a tribe it
favors with technological advancements, trying to pass it off a natural
technological advancement. Kirk makes a decision to supply a tribe the
Federation favors equal advancements for the purpose of defense, thus
setting off a an arms race on the planet. Of course McCoy has a problem
with this. Kirk compares it to the "brush" wars of the twentieth century,
somewhat a pro war message in that there was no other solution if the tribe
was to survive. You don't see this kind of writing out Hollywood anymore,
extremely unPC. If you wrote this today it would have to have a solution
that involved "us" being more understanding of the other side.

"Balance of Terror" was a good one too. The enemy was not even evil,
but it was still important to destroy them at all cost. At no time did Kirk
try to contact them to negotiate and "understand" them.

"JNICHOLS" wrote in message
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The planet these beings are from have declared the total
obliteration of all other cavitations as there purpose.


That should have been "CIVILIZATIONS" not "CAVITATIONS"

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, OM wrote:

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:50:09 -0700, Mike Dicenso
wrote:

You quit watching DS9 just because of that ONE episode!? Isn't that just
atiny bit over-reactionary? Did you stop watching TOS because of silly
episodes like "Miri", and "The Omega Glory"?

...Actually, "The Omega Glory" isn't *that* bad of an episode when you
strip out the patriotic elements (*). On the other hand, when you do,
you wind up with "Star Trek: Insurrection".

(*) Then again, I *loved* the patriotic elements. Go figure.


The only things I found worthwhile about that episode is the opening
scenes on the U.S.S. Exeter (beautiful FX for the time of the Enterprise
and Exeter in orbit together), and Morgan Woodward's superb performance as
Captain Ron Tracey (it's truely chilling when he describes how he and his
men killed thousands apon thousands of Yangs with just four phasers!).
-Mike

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, OM wrote:

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 18:50:09 -0700, Mike Dicenso
wrote:

Because of that you missed on the whole Dominion War series of story arcs.
You fool.

...Ironically, the best episode - IMHO - of that whole Dominion War
was the one where Rom becomes Grand Nagus :-)


Nah, by far the best episode was "In the Pale Moonlight.." where Sisko has
a Romulan senator murdered (actually Garak's doing) so he can trick the
Star Empire into going to war with the Federation and Klingons against the
Dominion. Man, what ballsy episode!
-Mike

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, OM wrote:

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:33:09 -0700, Mike Dicenso
wrote:



On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Cyberia wrote:

Mike Dicenso wrote:
Did you stop watching TOS because of silly
episodes like "Miri"

"Blah, blah, blah!!!"

:-) :-)

Bonk! Bonk! ;-)

...No foolie?

No more blah, blah, blah!
-Mike

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 16:15:52 GMT, "JNICHOLS"
wrote:

"JNICHOLS" wrote in message
.. .

The planet these beings are from have declared the total
obliteration of all other cavitations as there purpose.

That should have been "CIVILIZATIONS" not "CAVITATIONS"

....Prop wash by any other name, natch.

OM

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In article ,
om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy... _facility.org says...

snip

...And the bad part about this is that the more people bitch, the more
Berman will remain steadfast about keeping the damned song. He's
actually berated fans who've complained about the song at cons, and
told them to either grin and bear it, or turn the volume down because
the song will remain as long as he's running the show.

With a dickwad attitude like that, I hope he gets raped *and* eaten by
a gigantic carnivorous tribble...

LOL, same here... though I have seen the Enterprise opening with the
original orchestral theme* composed for the show, and it works really
well. I, for one, wish they would go back to it.

* - It's basically the same music as that which plays over the closing
credits, although in a rather different orchestration.

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Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for | Doug Van Dorn
thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup |

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 13:41:31 -0700, Mike Dicenso
wrote:



On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, OM wrote:

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:33:09 -0700, Mike Dicenso
wrote:

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Cyberia wrote:

Mike Dicenso wrote:
Did you stop watching TOS because of silly
episodes like "Miri"

"Blah, blah, blah!!!"

:-) :-)

Bonk! Bonk! ;-)

...No foolie?

No more blah, blah, blah!

....And no more lovey-dovey for you, either.

OM

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his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms
poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society

- General George S. Patton, Jr

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 13:32:52 -0700, Mike Dicenso
wrote:

The only things I found worthwhile about that episode is the opening
scenes on the U.S.S. Exeter (beautiful FX for the time of the Enterprise
and Exeter in orbit together), and Morgan Woodward's superb performance as
Captain Ron Tracey (it's truely chilling when he describes how he and his
men killed thousands apon thousands of Yangs with just four phasers!).

....And when you realize who the "Yangs" are(*) this line is given an
even greater patriotic impact *and* a bit of irony. One of the tactics
Mao used against both the Japs and the Nationalists was that only the
front line of the advance was armed. The lines behind laid lower, and
when the first lines fell - as they always did - the second line
picked up the arms of the fallen and advanced forward. The implication
here is that the "Yangs" adopted this tactic quite successfully.

(*) The original script had them as "Meraks", but later on someone
realized that this would have been a *bit* too obvious when the final
revelation showed up. "Yang" also sounds a bit oriental in tone, and
the fact that the "Koms" were all oriental added to the veiling of the
McGuffin. If you come across the booklet for the View Master reels
that were from this episode, you get this script instead of what was
aired.

You also get a couple of nice 3-D shots of the 3' model superimposed
next to itself, something that a *lot* of people wonder why they can't
remember that scene in the actual show :-)



OM

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"No ******* ever won a war by dying for | http://www.io.com/~o_m
his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms
poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society

- General George S. Patton, Jr

Mike Dicenso spewed out:

You quit watching DS9 just because of that ONE episode!? Isn't that just
atiny bit over-reactionary? Did you stop watching TOS because of silly
episodes like "Miri", and "The Omega Glory"?

Because of that you missed on the whole Dominion War series of story arcs.
You fool.

Heh. Yep. I liked Miri. The Omega Glory, well, epubneetza ,etc, etc. I kept
watching TNG after "Lol" so I guess that counts for something

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bp
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