OT, but a spooky concept

"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" writes:

David Spain wrote:
And let us not forget this concept has its genesis in our own MX,
before we went to that asinine "densepack" deployment. After all,
wasn't 'mobile'
the original reason for the "M" in MX? The trick of course, was to
make sure the carrier trailers could fit "under" interstate highway
overpasses.

No, the MX was for Missile eXperimental.

Yeah you're right. I double checked at the FAS website.

Also, don't know how seriously the tractor trailer idea was considered,
but the circular railroad was.

Now Greg, you gotta admit that I'm right that this rail car would definitely
be improved with big DONGNAMA lettering printed on both sides!

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/ic...ekeeper_07.jpg

;-)

Dave

On 4/27/2010 8:13 PM, David Spain wrote:

No, the MX was for Missile eXperimental.

Yeah you're right. I double checked at the FAS website.

Also, don't know how seriously the tractor trailer idea was considered,
but the circular railroad was.

That was a bit more than a circular railroad; in times of crisis the
trains were going to set out from their bases to travel around the nation.
They could stop at pre-surveyed sites on the rail system and enter the
targeting coordinates into the missile guidance systems for any launch
point they happened to be at.

Now Greg, you gotta admit that I'm right that this rail car would definitely
be improved with big DONGNAMA lettering printed on both sides!

The idea was to make the railcars inconspicuous...that would not make
them inconspicuous unless other trains set out with things like "Hello
Clitty Sex Toys" and "**** Incorporated Manure Supply Company"* on their
railcars to serve as decoys. ;-)

* I was watching the Goldman-Sachs Senate investigation on CSPAN today,
and it now officially okay to say "****ty" on TV...in fact you can say
it over-and-over again.


Pat

Pat Flannery writes:

On 4/27/2010 8:13 PM, David Spain wrote:
Now Greg, you gotta admit that I'm right that this rail car would definitely
be improved with big DONGNAMA lettering printed on both sides!

The idea was to make the railcars inconspicuous...that would not make them
inconspicuous unless other trains set out with things like "Hello Clitty Sex
Toys" and "**** Incorporated Manure Supply Company"* on their railcars to
serve as decoys. ;-)

Well left around a rail yard long enough they will say that...

Now c'mon Pat, you gotta admit this is not only inconspicuous, but to
the point....

http://tinyurl.com/37ctv4a

;-)

Dave

On 4/27/2010 9:19 PM, David Spain wrote:
Pat writes:

On 4/27/2010 8:13 PM, David Spain wrote:
Now Greg, you gotta admit that I'm right that this rail car would definitely
be improved with big DONGNAMA lettering printed on both sides!

The idea was to make the railcars inconspicuous...that would not make them
inconspicuous unless other trains set out with things like "Hello Clitty Sex
Toys" and "**** Incorporated Manure Supply Company"* on their railcars to
serve as decoys. ;-)

Well left around a rail yard long enough they will say that...

Now c'mon Pat, you gotta admit this is not only inconspicuous, but to
the point....

http://tinyurl.com/37ctv4a

Here's the boys themselves;
http://investing.businessweek.com/re...vcapId=5565517
And their shipping containers are indeed forty feet long.
http://www.matts-place.com/intermoda...dongnama40.jpg

Pat

David Spain wrote:

Also, don't know how seriously the tractor trailer idea was
considered,
but the circular railroad was.

Circular but also just putting them on freight trains out west.


Now Greg, you gotta admit that I'm right that this rail car would
definitely be improved with big DONGNAMA lettering printed on both
sides!

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/ic...ekeeper_07.jpg


That or some gang tags. No one would mess with it then.
;-)

Dave

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Greg Moore
Ask me about lily, an RPI based CMC.

On 4/28/2010 9:56 AM, Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:

Also, don't know how seriously the tractor trailer idea was
considered,
but the circular railroad was.

Circular but also just putting them on freight trains out west.

They were thinking of putting some of those up here in North Dakota; I
assume they would have been kept at one of our SAC bases (Grand Forks
and Minot) and sent on their way if things started heating up.
Security was always a problem with the train-launched missile idea, as
their paths could be be predicted fairly easily due to the scarcity of
railway tracks up here.
The idea of putting missiles on trains goes clean back to the German
V-2, where a large train was going to move around six V-2s as well as
all their support equipment, crews, and alcohol and LOX supplies.
The missiles could be launched directly from their flatcars (using a
exhaust deflector mounted under a hole in the flatcar that shot the
exhaust flames out to either side clear of the ground so as not to
damage the tracks) or dismounted from the train and moved to launch
sites alongside the tracks. By the time the first train had been
finished and was ready to go, allied air attacks had so severely damaged
the German rail network that the plan was abandoned. I don't know if any
test launches were made from the train or not, though photos of it:
http://www.v2rocket.com/start/others/helos005.jpg
....show it with operational camouflaged V-2s in the elevated position.
There are a pair of interesting photos of the Russian SS-24 rail-mobile
ICBM he
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RT...urg_museum.jpg
....and he
http://www.ausairpower.net/RT-23-SS-...pel-TEL-1S.jpg
Either the one at St Petersburg has had a fake RV added to make it look
more impressive, or the RV was transported separated from the missile
itself and only attached just before launch.

Pat