The 1~10% hollow moon / Brad Guth

On Jul 28, 5:16*pm, BradGuth wrote:
Here’s yet another edited food for thought topic, about our local
planetoid Selene/moon that has a little something hollow to say about
itself;
*Gravity Force Inside a Spherical Shell (is always zero)
*http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...ell2.html#wtls
*This zero gravity environment of course wouldn't fully apply to our
naked Selene/moon interior unless that hollow was a substantial sphere
at nearly dead center, but none the less it's still worth our
considering the possible implications, and it’s especially what-if
topic worthy when the bulk of lunar mass is clearly being held within
its thick and highly paramagnetic basalt crust, with no obvious
indications of an iron or otherwise dense core.

Natural/geothermal and isotope generated gas bubbles could easily have
created such a geode hollow(s) or even pockets of trapped mineral
brines and perhaps a few as having become crystal lined volumes of
weird geological anomalies representing livable voids deep within the
moon, as well as for the continual tidal pull of Earth’s gravity may
have significantly offset the original soft/molten interior core,
leaving a substantial hollow/caverness void rising towards the
extremely thick backside crust, as well as for the Earth/Selene
lithobraking encounter should have caused something to shift within
this unusual planetoid we call our moon.

First of all, I have never once suggested anything lower mass than
7.35e22 kg (if anything I’ve proposed an extra mass of 262 km worth
of ice for a grand total of 8.5e22 kg), nor have I ever suggested that
our Selene/moon was 90% hollow, nor otherwise have I ever insisted the
interior density below the thick basalt crust being as low as 1 kg/m3
(although the element sodium is kinda minimal density at .97 g/cm3,
not to mention lithium). *So don’t get yourselves all defensively
crazy and huffy about any of this.

If the thick and paramagnetic basalt plus mineral saturated crust with
many of those heavier lunar elements (including thorium, uranium,
plutonium and of course radium as supposedly derived from the core of
Earth plus via whatever else as having impacted Earth) are situated or
somehow having been coagulated/solidified near the surface, not to
mention a bazillion naked meteor deposits of carbonado/lonsdaleite and
of course always those much heavier metallic elements including
thorium, iron, nickel, platinum and loads of titanium, plus a little
of whatever else was part of Earth. *So, for the purely what-if of
this semi-hollow moon topic, how about our considering a 10% hollow
moon (2.2 billion cubic kilometers worth)?

How many personally safe interior habitats is 2.2e18 m3 actually
worth?

At 1000 m3 per habitat is offering 2.2e12 units. *Given a wide
percentage (more than half) for a perfectly rational (meaning
intelligent) infrastructure is still going to offer 1e12 units of 1e3
m3 each.

However, even if we’re talking of a 1% hollow Selene is still offering
an off-world viable habitat that’s worthy of safely hosting 100
billion units, along with 55% as still going for infrastructure.
Seems more than adequate if such a semi-hollow moon were to be
utilized as an off-world shelter or that of an interstellar survival
craft (red supergiant and helium flashover lifeboat), and of course it
gets all the better yet if it should became heavily iced over along
the way.

Along with my LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator and Counter Mass with
the terrific amount of ISS habitat interior) is what makes the to/from
aspects of utilizing our semi-hollow Selene/moon rather simple and
energy efficient, though most likely as owned and operated by China
and India (so expect to pay a hefty toll).

Father Haskell:
How will you feed all 100 billion of those units?

Chinese and India takeout from their LSE-CM/ISS (Selene L1) outpost/
gateway, and otherwise direct fly-by-rocket shipments of fish and rice
via North Korea, and perhaps fresh fruit from Cuba (via Guantanamo
Space Port).

As I'd said, roughly 55% as the lunar community infrastructure should
provide enough volume as industrial greenhouse and accommodating
whatever assortments of chickens, turkeys and pigs. *You know, Earth
isn't ever going to be very far away, and even I can think of all
kinds of ways for a continuous supply of just about anything, in
exchange for He3 and any number of other precious elements that would
be mostly robotic mined, processed and efficiently exported to Earth,
or effectively stored for future needs.

Obviously we'd need to accommodate at most fewer than 10 billion such
units as our lunar interior habitats, thereby leaving 95% available as
infrastructure for working within this 1% hollow moon.

Remember, if most everyone is living inside the moon, Eden/Earth
stands a darn good chance of once again becoming a thriving plant and
animal sanctuary that's nearly devoid of humans and their industrial
scale polluting. (perhaps at most 1% stays with Earth in order to
repair/salvage the frail environment and help feed the other 99% of
folks living within the moon, and the subsequent visiting of Earth by
these others would become a highly restricted privilege).

However, if our continuing recession turns into WWIII, that gets all-
out and downright nuclear dirty, plus otherwise chemical and
biologically lethal, there may be few if any safe places on Earth
worth risking further genetic mutations to your frail DNA.

Trust me, I have a reasonably failsafe plan. *It's rather complex and
certainly not perfect, but at least it's offering a whole lot better
constructive option than most any other plan of salvaging humanity
that’s designed mostly to benefit only the rich and powerful surviving
off-world, while the rest of us village idiots get to tough it out and
otherwise end up paying for everything that primarily benefits these
rich and powerful individuals (including fighting their wars).

Btw; * If a black hole were merely that of an event horizon shell of
whatever horrific mass and density (say a thick swarm of tightly
packed electrons orbiting this hollow void or perhaps sustaining a
small core of positron antimatter) as surrounded by whatever makes you
a happy camper:

Once again, a little physics food for thought: *The gravity force
inside a spherical shell is always zero, *that is unless it has some
kind of an extremely massive core that’s magnetically centered or
somehow electrostatic isolated within this otherwise hollow sphere.
*http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...ell2.html#wtls

*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”

Where's the mainstream science proving that our Selene/moon is
somewhat hollow?

~ BG

On Sep 21, 7:14*am, BradGuth wrote:
On Jul 28, 5:16*pm, BradGuth wrote:



Here’s yet another edited food for thought topic, about our local
planetoid Selene/moon that has a little something hollow to say about
itself;
*Gravity Force Inside a Spherical Shell (is always zero)
*http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...ell2.html#wtls
*This zero gravity environment of course wouldn't fully apply to our
naked Selene/moon interior unless that hollow was a substantial sphere
at nearly dead center, but none the less it's still worth our
considering the possible implications, and it’s especially what-if
topic worthy when the bulk of lunar mass is clearly being held within
its thick and highly paramagnetic basalt crust, with no obvious
indications of an iron or otherwise dense core.

Natural/geothermal and isotope generated gas bubbles could easily have
created such a geode hollow(s) or even pockets of trapped mineral
brines and perhaps a few as having become crystal lined volumes of
weird geological anomalies representing livable voids deep within the
moon, as well as for the continual tidal pull of Earth’s gravity may
have significantly offset the original soft/molten interior core,
leaving a substantial hollow/caverness void rising towards the
extremely thick backside crust, as well as for the Earth/Selene
lithobraking encounter should have caused something to shift within
this unusual planetoid we call our moon.

First of all, I have never once suggested anything lower mass than
7.35e22 kg (if anything I’ve proposed an extra mass of 262 km worth
of ice for a grand total of 8.5e22 kg), nor have I ever suggested that
our Selene/moon was 90% hollow, nor otherwise have I ever insisted the
interior density below the thick basalt crust being as low as 1 kg/m3
(although the element sodium is kinda minimal density at .97 g/cm3,
not to mention lithium). *So don’t get yourselves all defensively
crazy and huffy about any of this.

If the thick and paramagnetic basalt plus mineral saturated crust with
many of those heavier lunar elements (including thorium, uranium,
plutonium and of course radium as supposedly derived from the core of
Earth plus via whatever else as having impacted Earth) are situated or
somehow having been coagulated/solidified near the surface, not to
mention a bazillion naked meteor deposits of carbonado/lonsdaleite and
of course always those much heavier metallic elements including
thorium, iron, nickel, platinum and loads of titanium, plus a little
of whatever else was part of Earth. *So, for the purely what-if of
this semi-hollow moon topic, how about our considering a 10% hollow
moon (2.2 billion cubic kilometers worth)?

How many personally safe interior habitats is 2.2e18 m3 actually
worth?

At 1000 m3 per habitat is offering 2.2e12 units. *Given a wide
percentage (more than half) for a perfectly rational (meaning
intelligent) infrastructure is still going to offer 1e12 units of 1e3
m3 each.

However, even if we’re talking of a 1% hollow Selene is still offering
an off-world viable habitat that’s worthy of safely hosting 100
billion units, along with 55% as still going for infrastructure.
Seems more than adequate if such a semi-hollow moon were to be
utilized as an off-world shelter or that of an interstellar survival
craft (red supergiant and helium flashover lifeboat), and of course it
gets all the better yet if it should became heavily iced over along
the way.

Along with my LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator and Counter Mass with
the terrific amount of ISS habitat interior) is what makes the to/from
aspects of utilizing our semi-hollow Selene/moon rather simple and
energy efficient, though most likely as owned and operated by China
and India (so expect to pay a hefty toll).

Father Haskell:
How will you feed all 100 billion of those units?

Chinese and India takeout from their LSE-CM/ISS (Selene L1) outpost/
gateway, and otherwise direct fly-by-rocket shipments of fish and rice
via North Korea, and perhaps fresh fruit from Cuba (via Guantanamo
Space Port).

As I'd said, roughly 55% as the lunar community infrastructure should
provide enough volume as industrial greenhouse and accommodating
whatever assortments of chickens, turkeys and pigs. *You know, Earth
isn't ever going to be very far away, and even I can think of all
kinds of ways for a continuous supply of just about anything, in
exchange for He3 and any number of other precious elements that would
be mostly robotic mined, processed and efficiently exported to Earth,
or effectively stored for future needs.

Obviously we'd need to accommodate at most fewer than 10 billion such
units as our lunar interior habitats, thereby leaving 95% available as
infrastructure for working within this 1% hollow moon.

Remember, if most everyone is living inside the moon, Eden/Earth
stands a darn good chance of once again becoming a thriving plant and
animal sanctuary that's nearly devoid of humans and their industrial
scale polluting. (perhaps at most 1% stays with Earth in order to
repair/salvage the frail environment and help feed the other 99% of
folks living within the moon, and the subsequent visiting of Earth by
these others would become a highly restricted privilege).

However, if our continuing recession turns into WWIII, that gets all-
out and downright nuclear dirty, plus otherwise chemical and
biologically lethal, there may be few if any safe places on Earth
worth risking further genetic mutations to your frail DNA.

Trust me, I have a reasonably failsafe plan. *It's rather complex and
certainly not perfect, but at least it's offering a whole lot better
constructive option than most any other plan of salvaging humanity
that’s designed mostly to benefit only the rich and powerful surviving
off-world, while the rest of us village idiots get to tough it out and
otherwise end up paying for everything that primarily benefits these
rich and powerful individuals (including fighting their wars).

Btw; * If a black hole were merely that of an event horizon shell of
whatever horrific mass and density (say a thick swarm of tightly
packed electrons orbiting this hollow void or perhaps sustaining a
small core of positron antimatter) as surrounded by whatever makes you
a happy camper:

Once again, a little physics food for thought: *The gravity force
inside a spherical shell is always zero, *that is unless it has some
kind of an extremely massive core that’s magnetically centered or
somehow electrostatic isolated within this otherwise hollow sphere.
*http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...ell2.html#wtls

*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”

Where's the mainstream science proving that our Selene/moon is not
somewhat hollow?

Our Selene/moon simply isn't that of a solid rock with an iron core.
There's simply not sufficient mass (or average density) for such being
solid clean through. Its unusually thick crust of mostly basalt
proves there's less density inside of that nearby and physically dark
sucker that's transferring and/or extracting 2e20 N/sec worth of
orbital tidal force.

*~ BG