Orion's "apo"

Hi Chuck,
I think that SV scopes are very good, but much too expensive. My 5"
f/9.3 ($238) will outrun any SV scope short of the TMB/SV 6" APO. The
new Orion ED80 should outperform the Blackhawk.

Arguing witha Stellarvuite is akin to arguing with a religious
fanatic. No common ground will be achieved.

Al M


"Chuck Taylor" wrote in message ...
Hi Dave,

I did my homework. SV was selling scopes with reduced aperture and claiming
the reduced color was because of a "proprietary" design. They quit when they
got caught. Then they applied MV filters to the objective. Then they claimed
it was "attenuated" and not filtered (Sounds like Clinton and not having
"sex.") They also claimed the reduced color was due (again) to "proprietary"
design. That was BS. It was filtered --- pure and simple. There is nothing
wrong with using an MV filter coating. But there is something wrong with MV
filtering and claiming you are not doing it. Two months ago I was with an SV
owner. He insisted it did not have an MV filter and he knew this for a fact
because SV told him. But the coating was there.

Those are the facts.

Clear Skies

Chuck Taylor
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"Dave" wrote in message
om...
"
Regards SV, the problem is you never know what Stellervue is doing to
reduce
the color. For a while they were stopping down the aperture (see Ed
Ting's
review). Then they went to applying an MV coating to the objective and
calling it a "proprietary" and "attenuated design" rather than admitting
they were filtering it. The last SV I saw had an MV filter applied to
the
objective, but the owner insisted it didn't because SV had told him so.

Aside from filtering or stopping down the aperture, unless you use
different
(and more expensive) glass, you aren't going to reduce the color,
regardless
of the "zonal control" g you achieve.

Clear Skies

Chuck Taylor
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Chuck:

You're way behind the times and terribly misinformed there my friend.
The "stopping down the aperture" scenario affected ONLY the first 6
months of scopes produced and Vic indicated to his customers (I was
one of them) that there existed a problem with the 1 1/4" version (NOT
the 2" focuser version). Once the problem was resolved, he allowed
customers to send back their scopes for a retro-fit. For free. This
was WAY back in 2000. Very, very old news.

Now, as for the "attenuated design", this applied ONLY to the 102D and
not any of the other scopes Stellarvue produced. Sorry to disappoint
you there. The website, group site, and Stellarvue all indicated that
the minus violet coatings were only appled to that specific design
(102D) with the intent of reducing color. The latest version does not
have this coating, as Vic decided that it's easier (and less
expensive) to simply offer a filter that provides the same affect. It
was an interesting design and apparently worth the effort given the
reports provided by purchasers of the scope. Again, you're a bit
behind the times.

Try doing your homework before posting something intended to be
informative.

David

"Al M" wrote in message
om...
Hi Chuck,
I think that SV scopes are very good, but much too expensive. My 5"
f/9.3 ($238) will outrun any SV scope short of the TMB/SV 6" APO. The
new Orion ED80 should outperform the Blackhawk.

Arguing witha Stellarvuite is akin to arguing with a religious
fanatic. No common ground will be achieved.

Al M

Unfortunately, I think you are probably right as regards many of them.
Fortunately that is not true of all of them.

But it's true of enough of them that I think I'm going to drop out of this
thread.

Clear Skies

Chuck Taylor
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Try the Lunar Observing Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lunar-observing/

(Al M) wrote in message . com...
Hi Chuck,
I think that SV scopes are very good, but much too expensive. My 5"
f/9.3 ($238) will outrun any SV scope short of the TMB/SV 6" APO. The
new Orion ED80 should outperform the Blackhawk.

Arguing witha Stellarvuite is akin to arguing with a religious
fanatic. No common ground will be achieved.

Al M



Al:

You really are something. Now, you think that SV scopes are good.
price was always a contention for you, well, there's no accounting for
this. Everyone has their financial "bar". That's why scopes come in a
variety of quality and price points.

However, I do remember a time when there was nothing anyone could have
said to you or your cronies to convince you of anything regarding the
line. You hopped on the side of the skeptics, and stayed there for a
considerable time. Then you flip-flop back and forth from "it's a
decent scope" to "the claims made by the manufaturer are outlandish" -
certainly, over simplifying, but I think that people looking
historically at your postings over the past 3 years can see this.

I do not even know why the issue of SV is in this thread, since it's
an Orion one, but since the gauntlet has been dropped, I am curious
why all of a sudden everyone feels justified in assuming all sorts of
performance related issues on this new Orion offering, which no one
has yet, nor observed through, and yet it was certainly fine to knock
SV scopes without looking through one, despite the countless positive
comments by owners who HAVE done so.

How would you assume that this Orion scope will outdo a SV Nighthawk
when no one has done a comparison yet? Unfounded drivel, as usual.

Darren.

[Zealot or not - those are the facts]