Planets and moons losing mass by the tonnes/sec

On Jul 4, 10:09*am, BradGuth wrote:
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Congrats, guthball. You have been talking to yourself for 6 months now.

On Jul 4, 11:24*am, Eric Gisse wrote:
On Jul 4, 10:09*am, BradGuth wrote:
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Congrats, guthball. You have been talking to yourself for 6 months now.

It's more like a decade, and you're still a very special kind of
"alt.morons" dumbfounded braille fool that's brown-nosed, that can't
manage to contribute or revise anything of the past, present or future
because, that's obviously not what clowns and parrots do.

Why don't you Zionist Nazi loving folks ever reply to my favorite
kosher shadow and contributor rabbi Saul Levy (aka Art Deco)?

~ BG

On Jul 4, 11:24*am, Eric Gisse wrote:
On Jul 4, 10:09*am, BradGuth wrote:
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Congrats, guthball. You have been talking to yourself for 6 months now.

Why don’t you reply to our resident rabbi Saul Levy (aka Art Deco), as
he’s such a jolly old fart of the Zionist Nazi kind that like yourself
never contributes anything topic positive or otherwise constructive.
How can you and your cabal of fellow brown-nosed clowns ignore such an
upstanding kosher parrot (one of your own kind) like that?

~ BG

On Jul 3, 6:49*am, BradGuth wrote:
On Jun 1, 11:18*am, BradGuth wrote:



On May 22, 9:50*am, BradGuth wrote:

For example: Earth surface area = 5.1e14 m2, and the atmosphere
contains:
* * Helium (He) 5.24 ppmv (0.000524%), He = .1786 kg/m3
Hydrogen (H2) 0.55 ppmv (0.000055%), H2 = .0899 kg/m3

We seem to know more about the perpetual loss of hydrogen and helium
for the likes of other planets (including a few exoplanets) other than
Earth.
*http://vega.lpl.arizona.edu/~gilda/extrass.html

At 0.55 ppmv, in order that our atmosphere sustain that average H2
saturation, at any given moment there’s a natural 25e6 kg flow of
hydrogen getting made available and unavoidably migrating upwards and
away from Earth’s surface in order to create and sustain this average
of 0.55 ppmv. *The question is, at what average vertical escapement
velocity or volumetric/sec exit away from Earth are we looking at?

This topic pertaining to our 0.55 ppmv of atmospheric hydrogen and its
escapement; *is it worth merely 25e6 kg per day = 9.125e6 tonnes/yr,
or is it as great as 25e6 kg per hour = 219e6 tonnes/year?

If the ongoing loss of H2 loss isn’t quite impressive enough, now we
need to focus on our atmospheric helium that’s nearly ten fold greater
by volume.

Like the GP-B fiasco, at best our EUVE (Extreme Ultra Violet Explorer)
could have been representing a false positive, all be its
observationology given that nifty artificial eye-candy hue of yellow
and reddish colorized EUV image of Earth’s surrounding cloud of helium
and hydrogen. *However, the solar wind caused planetary exhaust trail
of H2 and He is what needs to be more closely looked at and
objectively quantified, as most easily accomplished from our the
surface of our Selene/moon or best from it's L1 that oddly we still do
not have to work with.

Existing EUV, UV and IR imaging:
*http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A3.html
*The badly failing magnetosphere has been capable of restraining or
mildly sequestering some of Earth's hydrogen and helium by way of
having been protecting our upper most atmosphere, but unfortunately
for the past 2000 years this too has been going away (most recently at
-.05%/year or even –120 nT/yr), is perhaps as good of reason why that
lofty cloud of hydrogen and helium isn't sticking around, and why the
lethal SAA contour has been exponentially growing and nearing the
surface. *On the other hand, would anyone care to imagine what could
happen if such terrestrial hydrogen and helium didn’t leak away?

*http://io9.com/395272/is-earths-magn...eld-failing-us
*http://digitaldiatribes.wordpress.co.../geomagnetism/
Of course our perpetual naysayers and the usual evidence excluding
gauntlet of our resident Usenet/newsgroup wizards and brown-nosed
clowns of perpetual obfuscation and denial are not paying serious
attention, or allowing any context of consideration as to the worth or
consequences of our badly failing geomagnetic force and thereby of its
subsequent fading magnetosphere. *It’s as though our best physics and/
or objective science doesn’t hardly matter, unless it’s strictly
interpreted by those in charge in order to sustain their mainstream
status quo. *In other words, for sustaining our mainstream as a viable
cabal of happy campers, apparently our best public funded science is
but worth used toilet paper, and whatever NASA mishaps of botched or
failed missions are not to be taken seriously, if at all.

I recall mentioning at least a few thousand times, about our having
the Selene L1 platform of science instruments easily established as
of *4 decades ago, including a 10x TRACE-II, plus many UV and IR
imaging cameras looking at the whole sphere of Earth and equally at
our Selene/moon that's losing it's sodium and a few other elements at
an
alarming rate. *However, without our having such a nifty remote
perspective it's simply much harder if not nearly impossible to
interpret whatever's going on.

Btw, *the often bogus mindset of "I always had the thoughts that free
hydrogen, and helium were lost in space and that Earth's gravity was
not strong enough to hold it" isn't what I'd gotten out of the vast
bulk of the previously posted comments. *In fact, it's pretty much the
opposite of what we’ve typically heard from most others, insisting
that supposedly Earth never loses mass, whereas instead Earth
supposedly gains several thousand tonnes per year. *However, I was
clearly the first contributor in this or any other Usenet/newsgroup to
insist that our moon and Earth have each been losing a great deal of
mass, and implying that the modern day human race has in fact been
artificially assisting in this natural process.

Perhaps this can also explain as to why ETs would bother going to all
the trouble of extracting minerals and raw exotic elements from
another planet or moon, such as our dire need of extracting He3 from
our Selene/moon, or appreciating as to that of whomever is taking
substances of value away from Venus.

The geomagnetic force has a long history of a flip (polar-reversal)
and reset cycle, though each time it gets measurably weaker,
originally worth 10+ VADM (virtual axial dipole moment or dip),
whereas the most recent flip and subsequent variations got this
magnetic intensity down to a dip of nearly 3. *We are currently losing
our polar magnetic force at 0.1%/year, as it shifts and continues to
weaken as an accelerated or compounded rate.

Our Selene/moon is however helping at keeping our geomagnetic force
pumped up, whereas without such a terrific moon, Earth may have become
a larger version of Mars. *Our holding onto Selene is worth 2e20 N, or
if you like 55.5e12 kw, and the global flip or reversal cycle is
currently worth roughly 225,000 ~ 250,000 years, although in the past
it has supposedly cycled as often as 100,000 years (for the most part
not related to ice ages and subsequent thaws that are only of a
somewhat recent era).
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_magnetic_field

"The Earth's magnetic north pole is drifting from northern Canada
towards Siberia with a presently accelerating rate — 10 km per year at
the beginning of the 20th century, up to 40 km per year in 2003.[6] It
is also unknown if this drift will continue to accelerate."

"At present, the overall geomagnetic field is becoming weaker at a
rate which would, if it continues, cause the dipole field to
temporarily collapse by 3000–4000 CE. The South Atlantic Anomaly is
believed by some[who?] to be a product of this. The present strong
deterioration corresponds to a 10–15% decline over the last 150 years
and has accelerated in the past several years; however, geomagnetic
intensity has declined almost continuously from a maximum 35% above
the modern value achieved approximately 2000 years ago."

At a VADM dip of 3, we're in serious cosmic and solar radiation
trouble. *At a VADM dip of reaching down to the level of 2 could mean
the start of the end of natural genetic survival above the surface,
especially unfortunate at any time when solar halo CMEs are at their
maximum because that’ll obviously extract the most tonnage of our
atmosphere.

Each cycle on the way down (a process of losing our geomagnetic polar
force that sustains our protective magnetosphere) we unavoidably lose
more and more of our atmosphere (consequently involving an accelerated
loss of mass). *The next magnetic reset or flip may not happen for
quite some time (another couple thousand some odd years), and
meanwhile we continue to lose increasing portions of our upper most
atmosphere that's extensively populated by hydrogen and helium.

Eden/Earth is losing at the very least 10 kg/sec of helium, although a
loss of 100 kg/sec is certainly possible. *Since nothing binds with
helium, so therefore all helium is eventually lost, along with a
portion of our terrestrial hydrogen that didn't manage to bind with O2
and O3, as such simply isn’t going to stick with us.

The OCO mission would have indirectly given us this kind of global
science, and thus reasonably quantified as to how much loss in helium
and hydrogen is ongoing. *The new and greatly improved Hubble could
also accomplish this task, although the Selene/moon L1 location for
taking such objective measurements of our entire global atmospheric
environment would have been far superior as of four decades ago, at a
cost of not greater than $50M for that era (today might cost us $500M).

A star that's losing 2e123e12 kg/sec is not going to forever hold
onto its planets unless the laws of physics, orbital mechanics and the
subsequent tidal radii do not count for anything. *Along with out
planet losing 1t/sec, as such our world could be saved from the red
giant phase, although a whole lot better off if we could park our
Selene/moon within Earth L1.

Imagine Sirius B burning through and losing 1e15 kg/sec and possibly
even 3e15 kg/sec depending on the given stellar evolution amount of
time.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”