A retrospective look at Sirius B in its red supergiant phase

Sirius and us(our solar system) are inseparable, at least according to
the regular laws of physics pertaining to the laws of gravity and
orbital mechanics that seems more than sufficient, especially if
little Sedna can be turned around at a tidal radii of 1.459e11 km
that’s worth merely 2.975e13 N, whereas Sirius at 1.417e17 N (20
thousand fold stronger) and we’ve been gaining on Sirius by 7.6 km/
sec, plus most likely accelerating towards are next encounter.

It’s all nothing but a mainstream infowar, a tactical gauntlet of
lies, deceptions and systematic obfuscation is what it’s all about.
When I’ve merely expected of others to share information and to
otherwise constructively ponder and contribute to this topic and many
similar ones before, all we ever got at best was a stone cold
shoulder, and otherwise mostly negativity and banishment from most, as
well as from a certain racist and bigotry spouting rabbi none the
less. However, the laws of physics are seldom if ever politically
correct or otherwise faith-based, and as such they simply do not lie,
and even the best available science doesn’t support many of those
established mainstream notions of excluding anything and everything
that rocks a given faith-based boat..

Gravity Force of Attraction (orbital tidal radius)
http://www.1728.com/gravity.htm
http://www.wsanford.com/~wsanford/ca...alculator.html

The cosmic molecular cloud of what created Sirius, as being worth at
least 1.25e6 solar masses, while at a center to center distance of 100
ly and using our solar system mass of 2.05e30 kg for that same era, we
get the following results for 100 ly (9.46053e17 m), 50 ly (4.7303e17
m) and 10 ly (9.46053e16 m).
2.05e30 kg and 2.5e36 kg at 100 ly = 3.819e20 Newtons
2.05e30 kg and 2.5e36 kg at 50 ly = 1.528e21 N
2.05e30 kg and 2.5e36 kg at 10 ly = 3.819e22 N

current (sun ~ earth) gravitational force of attraction:
1.989e30 and 5.974e24 kg at 1.496e11 m = 3.541e22 N

current (sun ~ mars) gravitational force of attraction:
1.989e30 and 6.418e23 kg at 2.2794e11 m = 1.639e21 N

current (sun ~ pluto) gravitational force of attraction:
1.989e30 and 1.305e22 kg at 5.906e12 m = 4.964e16 N

current (solar system) ~ Sedna/average gravitational attraction:
2.02e30 and 4.7e21 kg at 7.867e13 m = 1.023e14 N

current (solar system) ~ Sedna/aphelion gravitational attraction:
2.02e30 and 4.7e21 kg at 1.459e14 m = 2.975e13 N

current (solar system) ~ Sirius gravitational force of attraction:
2.02e30 and 6.9615e30 kg at 8.1365e16 m = 1.417e17 N

Being that a molecular cloud of at least 1.25e6 solar masses is going
to have a diameter of nearly 100 light years, as such I might suggest
that we use the 50 ly parameter for the adjusted distance from the
core density of such a molecular cloud, as for mutually binding us at
the weak gravity force of 1.528e21 N. Of course by doubling that
distance cuts this tidal binding force of radial gravitational
attraction down to a forth, whereas even at 500 ly it’s still worth
1.528e19 N, and at the 2.5e37 solar masses brings that 500 ly distance
right back up to being worth 1.528e20 N.

The cosmic creation of the Sirius star/solar system was no small
matter of any wussy little molecular cloud. This was an extremely
large cloud and subsequent stellar birthing event of relatively recent
times (250~300 MBP), and as such it would have been entirely visible
to the naked human eyes of that era (not that any intelligent human
via Darwin or intelligent design even existed at that time, although
Ed Conrad’s “Man of Coal” seems to be of that era), and as of most
recently transforming the red supergiant phase of Sirius B into a
white dwarf required a helium flashover (slow nova) about as close as
you can safely get, if not a little too close.

By way of reading from what others claiming to know more than most
anyone else (must be Einstein clones), it seems they’d have no
problems with suggesting the 1e6:1 cosmic molecular cloud of having
been worth 1.25e7 solar masses that created the Sirius star/solar
system, and if still using 2.05e30 kg mass for that of our solar
system of that same era results in yet another 10 fold increased force
of attraction for that same 50 ly distance, representing 1.528e22 N
(nearly half of the sun~earth attraction), and 99.9999% of this 1e6:1
molecular cloud that’s oddly nowhere to be found, by rights should
have greatly affected our solar system.

Try to remember that this wasn’t a one brief time kind of a cosmic
drive-by event, but most likely worth at least ten million years of
persistent gravity pull before ever having cranked out those
impressive Sirius stars, and for at least another million some odd
years of having blown everything else (99.999% of that molecular
cloud) far away. Once again, how can this kind of nearby cosmic event
and of such horrific original mass not have affected our solar system?

Where's the all-knowing expertise from our FAS, telling us whatever
they seem to know best or at least suspect is most likely, and where
are those public funded supercomputer simulations. Surely these brown-
nosed clowns, faith-based bigots and closed mindsets of our Usenet/
newsgroup proprietors that are continually enforcing their mainstream
status quo (much like my personal Jewish shadow tries to do by
trashing everyone in sight) are hopefully not speaking on behalf of
our FAS or any other professional group.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”


On Jun 20, 6:16*am, BradGuth wrote:
On Apr 27, 4:47*am, BradGuth wrote:


Red giant stars are many, and yet still a little hard to come by, as
only a few public images of whatever is within 1000 light years seem
to exist that fit within the color saturated eye-candy profiles that
we’ve been taught to accept. *However, the visible spectrum is
extremely limited as to what is otherwise technically accessible from
just above and below our genetically limited and thus inferior visual
spectrum. (seems entirely odd that our human evolution was so careless
in having discarded so much visual capability, in that other creatures
seem to have a far wider visual spectrum capability that includes some
UV and IR)

“Red GiantStarFound to Have Massive Tail”
*http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_G...Have_Massive_T...
*Mira A of several hundred solar radii (UV colorized as bluish): “A
dying star situated 400 light years away from us exhibits an unusual
and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for more than 13 light
years.”
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
*http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html

Sirius B could have been much like an image of Mira A, except a whole
lot larger (1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR
*http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm...osium/173770_m...

Mira A and lots more composite observationology from FAS
*http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A6.html

There are many possibilities, as for how Sirius B used to function as
a truly massive (9 solar mass)star, thereby extremely hot and fast
burning prior to becoming a red supergiant, creating an impressive
planetary nebula phase before ending as the little white dwarf. *For
all we know Sirius B was even a variable kind of red giant and then
perhaps a slow nova flashover phase prior to finishing off as the
white dwarf.

These following examples are probably similar or perhaps representing
a slightly smaller version of what the Sirius star/solar system looked
like once Sirius B had started turning itself from an impressive red
supergiant into a white dwarf of perhaps 1/8th its original mass,
taking roughly 64~96,000 years for this explosive mass shedding phase
to happen. *A few tens of billions of years later is when such a white
dwarf eventually becomes a black dwarf, kind of black diamond spent star, in that our universe may or may not be quite old enough to
display such examples.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix_Nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Eye_Nebula
*http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap031207.html
*http://www.uv.es/jrtorres/index6.html

Betelgeuse has been a massive red giant at 20+ fold the mass of our
sun, and likely worth nearly 3 fold the mass of the original Sirius B,
and currently expanded to 1000 solar radii, and it'll be truly
impressive nova whenever it transforms into a white dwarf nearly the
size of Jupiter.

The soon to be renewed and improved Hubble should accomplish the
improved spectrum and resolution of most everything, along with other
existing and soon to be deployed telescopes should give us even better
composite examples of what Sirius B used to look like. *This may give
some of us a better interpretation as to what transpired right next
door to us, as well as having unavoidably contributed to some of what
our solar system has to offer.

We seem to have become closely associated with the Sirius star
cluster, even though Sirius has been a relatively newish and extremely
vibrant stellar evolution (quite possibly contributed from another
galaxy), and especially terrestrial illuminating of the first 200~250
million years worth.

It took a cosmic molecular cloud worth perhaps at least 120,000 solar
masses in order to produce such a 12+ mass star system, leaving 99.99%
of that molecular mass blown away and to fend for itself, at a place
and time when our existing solar system wasn't any too far away.
Others might go so far as to suggest a molecular cloud mass of 1.2
million, and others yet would prefer that this terrific cloud had
emerged from a smaller galaxy that encountered our Milky Way.

There's no way that our passive little solar system wasn't somehow
directly affected by and otherwise having become somewhat tidal radius
interrelated with such a nearby mass, at least associated with the
mutual barycenter that's primarily dominated by the Sirius star/solar
system.

Lo and behold, it seems the mergers of galactic proportions isn’t
nearly as uncommon as some naysayers might care to think.

The Hipparcos Space Astrometry Mission: (mainstream media ignored)
*http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/are...cfm?fareaid=20
*http://www.spacedaily.com/news/milkyway-04m.html

Local galactic motion simulation:
*"The Geneva-Copenhagen survey of the Solar neighborhood", by B.
Nordström et al.
*http://www.aanda.org/content/view/71/42/lang,en

According to several physics and astronomy kinds of *observationology
science (deductive interpretation of eye-candy), our Milky Way is made
up of at least two galactic units, with more on their blue-shifted way
towards encountering us. *Seems hardly fair considering that
everything was supposedly created via one singular big bang, not to
mention that hundreds to thousands of galaxies seem headed into the
Great Attractor (including us) for their final demise and/or rebirth.

Our Milky Way Galaxy and its Companions (we are not alone)
*http://www.public.asu.edu/~rjansen/l...ocalgroup.html

Don’t forget to appreciate those Hubble, KECK and multiple other
archives (including those of FAS) depicting “colliding galaxies”, soon
to be ESA enhanced and expanded upon via a trio of their impressive
orbital observatories, not to mention whatever the renewed and
improved Hubble plus our next generation of orbital observatories
should further document. *It may even become hard to find galaxies as
massive as ours and Andromeda that are entirely original without their
having gown via mergers.

Where's the all-knowing expertise from FAS, telling us whatever they
seem to know best or at least suspect is most likely. *Surely these
brown-nosed clowns, faith-based bigots and closed mindsets of our
Usenet/newsgroup that are enforcing their mainstream status quo (much
like my personal Jewish shadow tries to do), are hopefully not
speaking on behalf of FAS.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Jul 3, 5:41*am, BradGuth wrote:
Sirius and us(our solar system) are inseparable, at least according to
the regular laws of physics pertaining to the laws of gravity and
orbital mechanics that seems more than sufficient, especially if
little Sedna can be turned around at a tidal radii of 1.459e11 km
that’s worth merely 2.975e13 N, whereas Sirius at 1.417e17 N (20
thousand fold stronger) and we’ve been gaining on Sirius by 7.6 km/
sec, plus most likely accelerating towards are next encounter.

It’s all nothing but a mainstream infowar, a tactical gauntlet of
lies, deceptions and systematic obfuscation is what it’s all about.
When I’ve merely expected of others to share information and to
otherwise constructively ponder and contribute to this topic and many
similar ones before, all we ever got at best was a stone cold
shoulder, and otherwise mostly negativity and banishment from most, as
well as from a certain racist and bigotry spouting rabbi none the
less. *However, the laws of physics are seldom if ever politically
correct or otherwise faith-based, and as such they simply do not lie,
and even the best available science doesn’t support many of those
established mainstream notions of excluding anything and everything
that rocks a given faith-based boat..

Gravity Force of Attraction (orbital tidal radius)
*http://www.1728.com/gravity.htm
*http://www.wsanford.com/~wsanford/ca...alculator.html

The cosmic molecular cloud of what created Sirius, as being worth at
least 1.25e6 solar masses, while at a center to center distance of 100
ly and using our solar system mass of 2.05e30 kg for that same era, we
get the following results for 100 ly (9.46053e17 m), 50 ly (4.7303e17
m) and 10 ly (9.46053e16 m).
*2.05e30 kg *and *2.5e36 kg *at 100 ly = 3.819e20 Newtons
*2.05e30 kg *and *2.5e36 kg *at * 50 ly = 1.528e21 N
*2.05e30 kg *and *2.5e36 kg *at * 10 ly = 3.819e22 N

current (sun ~ earth) gravitational force of attraction:
*1.989e30 and 5.974e24 kg at 1.496e11 m = 3.541e22 N

current (sun ~ mars) gravitational force of attraction:
*1.989e30 and 6.418e23 kg at 2.2794e11 m = 1.639e21 N

current (sun ~ pluto) gravitational force of attraction:
*1.989e30 and 1.305e22 kg at 5.906e12 m = 4.964e16 N

current (solar system) ~ Sedna/average gravitational attraction:
*2.02e30 and 4.7e21 kg at 7.867e13 m = 1.023e14 N

current (solar system) ~ Sedna/aphelion gravitational attraction:
*2.02e30 and 4.7e21 kg at 1.459e14 m = 2.975e13 N

current (solar system) ~ Sirius gravitational force of attraction:
*2.02e30 and 6.9615e30 kg at 8.1365e16 m = 1.417e17 N

Being that a molecular cloud of at least 1.25e6 solar masses is going
to have a diameter of nearly 100 light years, as such I might suggest
that we use the 50 ly parameter for the adjusted distance from the
core density of such a molecular cloud, as for mutually binding us at
the weak gravity force of 1.528e21 N. *Of course by doubling that
distance cuts this tidal binding force of radial gravitational
attraction down to a forth, whereas even at 500 ly it’s still worth
1.528e19 N, and at the 2.5e37 solar masses brings that 500 ly distance
right back up to being worth 1.528e20 N.

The cosmic creation of the Sirius star/solar system was no small
matter of any wussy little molecular cloud. *This was an extremely
large cloud and subsequent stellar birthing event of relatively recent
times (250~300 MBP), and as such it would have been entirely visible
to the naked human eyes of that era (not that any intelligent human
via Darwin or intelligent design even existed at that time, although
Ed Conrad’s “Man of Coal” seems to be of that era), and as of most
recently transforming the red supergiant phase of Sirius B into a
white dwarf required a helium flashover (slow nova) about as close as
you can safely get, if not a little too close.

By way of reading from what others claiming to know more than most
anyone else (must be Einstein clones), it seems they’d have no
problems with suggesting the 1e6:1 cosmic molecular cloud of having
been worth 1.25e7 solar masses that created the Sirius star/solar
system, and if still using 2.05e30 kg mass for that of our solar
system of that same era results in yet another 10 fold increased force
of attraction for that same 50 ly distance, representing 1.528e22 N
(nearly half of the sun~earth attraction), and 99.9999% of this 1e6:1
molecular cloud that’s oddly nowhere to be found, by rights should
have greatly affected our solar system.

Try to remember that this wasn’t a one brief time kind of a cosmic
drive-by event, but most likely worth at least ten million years of
persistent gravity pull before ever having cranked out those
impressive Sirius stars, and for at least another million some odd
years of having blown everything else (99.999% of that molecular
cloud) far away. *Once again, how can this kind of nearby cosmic event
and of such horrific original mass not have affected our solar system?

Where's the all-knowing expertise from our FAS, telling us whatever
they seem to know best or at least suspect is most likely, and where
are those public funded supercomputer simulations. *Surely these brown-
nosed clowns, faith-based bigots and closed mindsets of our Usenet/
newsgroup proprietors that are continually enforcing their mainstream
status quo (much like my personal Jewish shadow tries to do by
trashing everyone in sight) are hopefully not speaking on behalf of
our FAS or any other professional group.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”



On Jun 20, 6:16*am, BradGuth wrote: On Apr 27, 4:47*am, BradGuth wrote:

Red giant stars are many, and yet still a little hard to come by, as
only a few public images of whatever is within 1000 light years seem
to exist that fit within the color saturated eye-candy profiles that
we’ve been taught to accept. *However, the visible spectrum is
extremely limited as to what is otherwise technically accessible from
just above and below our genetically limited and thus inferior visual
spectrum. (seems entirely odd that our human evolution was so careless
in having discarded so much visual capability, in that other creatures
seem to have a far wider visual spectrum capability that includes some
UV and IR)

“Red GiantStarFound to Have Massive Tail”
*http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_G...Have_Massive_T...
*Mira A of several hundred solar radii (UV colorized as bluish): “A
dying star situated 400 light years away from us exhibits an unusual
and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for more than 13 light
years.”
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
*http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html

Sirius B could have been much like an image of Mira A, except a whole
lot larger (1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR
*http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm...osium/173770_m...

Mira A and lots more composite observationology from FAS
*http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A6.html

There are many possibilities, as for how Sirius B used to function as
a truly massive (9 solar mass)star, thereby extremely hot and fast
burning prior to becoming a red supergiant, creating an impressive
planetary nebula phase before ending as the little white dwarf. *For
all we know Sirius B was even a variable kind of red giant and then
perhaps a slow nova flashover phase prior to finishing off as the
white dwarf.

These following examples are probably similar or perhaps representing
a slightly smaller version of what the Sirius star/solar system looked
like once Sirius B had started turning itself from an impressive red
supergiant into a white dwarf of perhaps 1/8th its original mass,
taking roughly 64~96,000 years for this explosive mass shedding phase
to happen. *A few tens of billions of years later is when such a white
dwarf eventually becomes a black dwarf, kind of black diamond spent star, in that our universe may or may not be quite old enough to
display such examples.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix_Nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Eye_Nebula
*http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap031207.html
*http://www.uv.es/jrtorres/index6.html

Betelgeuse has been a massive red giant at 20+ fold the mass of our
sun, and likely worth nearly 3 fold the mass of the original Sirius B,
and currently expanded to 1000 solar radii, and it'll be truly
impressive nova whenever it transforms into a white dwarf nearly the
size of Jupiter.

The soon to be renewed and improved Hubble should accomplish the
improved spectrum and resolution of most everything, along with other
existing and soon to be deployed telescopes should give us even better
composite examples of what Sirius B used to look like. *This may give
some of us a better interpretation as to what transpired right next
door to us, as well as having unavoidably contributed to some of what
our solar system has to offer.

We seem to have become closely associated with the Sirius star
cluster, even though Sirius has been a relatively newish and extremely
vibrant stellar evolution (quite possibly contributed from another
galaxy), and especially terrestrial illuminating of the first 200~250
million years worth.

It took a cosmic molecular cloud worth perhaps at least 120,000 solar
masses in order to produce such a 12+ mass star system, leaving 99.99%
of that molecular mass blown away and to fend for itself, at a place
and time when our existing solar system wasn't any too far away.
Others might go so far as to suggest a molecular cloud mass of 1.2
million, and others yet would prefer that this terrific cloud had
emerged from a smaller galaxy that encountered our Milky Way.

There's no way that our passive little solar system wasn't somehow
directly affected by and otherwise having become somewhat tidal radius
interrelated with such a nearby mass, at least associated with the
mutual barycenter that's primarily dominated by the Sirius star/solar
system.

Lo and behold, it seems the mergers of galactic proportions isn’t
nearly as uncommon as some naysayers might care to think.

The Hipparcos Space Astrometry Mission: (mainstream media ignored)
*http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/are...cfm?fareaid=20
*http://www.spacedaily.com/news/milkyway-04m.html

Local galactic motion simulation:
*"The Geneva-Copenhagen survey of the Solar neighborhood", by B.
Nordström et al.
*http://www.aanda.org/content/view/71/42/lang,en

According to several physics and astronomy kinds of *observationology
science (deductive interpretation of eye-candy), our Milky Way is made
up of at least two galactic units, with more on their blue-shifted way
towards encountering us. *Seems hardly fair considering that
everything was supposedly created via one singular big bang, not to
mention that hundreds to thousands of galaxies seem headed into the
Great Attractor (including us) for their final demise and/or rebirth.

Our Milky Way Galaxy and its Companions (we are not alone)
*http://www.public.asu.edu/~rjansen/l...ocalgroup.html

Don’t forget to appreciate those Hubble, KECK and multiple other
archives (including those of FAS) depicting “colliding galaxies”, soon
to be ESA enhanced and expanded upon via a trio of their impressive
orbital observatories, not to mention whatever the renewed and
improved Hubble plus our next generation of orbital observatories
should further document. *It may even become hard to find galaxies as
massive as ours and Andromeda that are entirely original without their
having gown via mergers.

Where's the all-knowing expertise from FAS, telling us whatever they
seem to know best or at least suspect is most likely. *Surely these
brown-nosed clowns, faith-based bigots and closed mindsets of our
Usenet/newsgroup that are enforcing their mainstream status quo (much
like my personal Jewish shadow tries to do), are hopefully not
speaking on behalf of FAS.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

”Whoever controls the past, controls the future” / George Orwell

“We're ignorant of life in the universe. We only have one planet that
serves as an example and in science it's not good to derive
information from a sample size of one.” / David Grinspoon

How could the Sirius B helium flashover not have affected us?

How could the tidal radii of the Sirius star/solar system not have our
solar system within its control?

How could the original molecular cloud as having given birth to the
extremely vibrant Sirius star/solar system have gone through our part
of this galaxy so quickly, and without a trace?

~ BG


On Jul 3, 5:41*am, BradGuth wrote:
Sirius and us(our solar system) are inseparable, at least according to
the regular laws of physics pertaining to the laws of gravity and
orbital mechanics that seems more than sufficient, especially if
little Sedna can be turned around at a tidal radii of 1.459e11 km
that’s worth merely 2.975e13 N, whereas Sirius at 1.417e17 N (20
thousand fold stronger) and we’ve been gaining on Sirius by 7.6 km/
sec, plus most likely accelerating towards are next encounter.

It’s all nothing but a mainstream infowar, a tactical gauntlet of
lies, deceptions and systematic obfuscation is what it’s all about.
When I’ve merely expected of others to share information and to
otherwise constructively ponder and contribute to this topic and many
similar ones before, all we ever got at best was a stone cold
shoulder, and otherwise mostly negativity and banishment from most, as
well as from a certain racist and bigotry spouting rabbi none the
less. *However, the laws of physics are seldom if ever politically
correct or otherwise faith-based, and as such they simply do not lie,
and even the best available science doesn’t support many of those
established mainstream notions of excluding anything and everything
that rocks a given faith-based boat..

Gravity Force of Attraction (orbital tidal radius)
*http://www.1728.com/gravity.htm
*http://www.wsanford.com/~wsanford/ca...alculator.html

The cosmic molecular cloud of what created Sirius, as being worth at
least 1.25e6 solar masses, while at a center to center distance of 100
ly and using our solar system mass of 2.05e30 kg for that same era, we
get the following results for 100 ly (9.46053e17 m), 50 ly (4.7303e17
m) and 10 ly (9.46053e16 m).
*2.05e30 kg *and *2.5e36 kg *at 100 ly = 3.819e20 Newtons
*2.05e30 kg *and *2.5e36 kg *at * 50 ly = 1.528e21 N
*2.05e30 kg *and *2.5e36 kg *at * 10 ly = 3.819e22 N

current (sun ~ earth) gravitational force of attraction:
*1.989e30 and 5.974e24 kg at 1.496e11 m = 3.541e22 N

current (sun ~ mars) gravitational force of attraction:
*1.989e30 and 6.418e23 kg at 2.2794e11 m = 1.639e21 N

current (sun ~ pluto) gravitational force of attraction:
*1.989e30 and 1.305e22 kg at 5.906e12 m = 4.964e16 N

current (solar system) ~ Sedna/average gravitational attraction:
*2.02e30 and 4.7e21 kg at 7.867e13 m = 1.023e14 N

current (solar system) ~ Sedna/aphelion gravitational attraction:
*2.02e30 and 4.7e21 kg at 1.459e14 m = 2.975e13 N

current (solar system) ~ Sirius gravitational force of attraction:
*2.02e30 and 6.9615e30 kg at 8.1365e16 m = 1.417e17 N

Being that a molecular cloud of at least 1.25e6 solar masses is going
to have a diameter of nearly 100 light years, as such I might suggest
that we use the 50 ly parameter for the adjusted distance from the
core density of such a molecular cloud, as for mutually binding us at
the weak gravity force of 1.528e21 N. *Of course by doubling that
distance cuts this tidal binding force of radial gravitational
attraction down to a forth, whereas even at 500 ly it’s still worth
1.528e19 N, and at the 2.5e37 solar masses brings that 500 ly distance
right back up to being worth 1.528e20 N.

The cosmic creation of the Sirius star/solar system was no small
matter of any wussy little molecular cloud. *This was an extremely
large cloud and subsequent stellar birthing event of relatively recent
times (250~300 MBP), and as such it would have been entirely visible
to the naked human eyes of that era (not that any intelligent human
via Darwin or intelligent design even existed at that time, although
Ed Conrad’s “Man of Coal” seems to be of that era), and as of most
recently transforming the red supergiant phase of Sirius B into a
white dwarf required a helium flashover (slow nova) about as close as
you can safely get, if not a little too close.

By way of reading from what others claiming to know more than most
anyone else (must be Einstein clones), it seems they’d have no
problems with suggesting the 1e6:1 cosmic molecular cloud of having
been worth 1.25e7 solar masses that created the Sirius star/solar
system, and if still using 2.05e30 kg mass for that of our solar
system of that same era results in yet another 10 fold increased force
of attraction for that same 50 ly distance, representing 1.528e22 N
(nearly half of the sun~earth attraction), and 99.9999% of this 1e6:1
molecular cloud that’s oddly nowhere to be found, by rights should
have greatly affected our solar system.

Try to remember that this wasn’t a one brief time kind of a cosmic
drive-by event, but most likely worth at least ten million years of
persistent gravity pull before ever having cranked out those
impressive Sirius stars, and for at least another million some odd
years of having blown everything else (99.999% of that molecular
cloud) far away. *Once again, how can this kind of nearby cosmic event
and of such horrific original mass not have affected our solar system?

Where's the all-knowing expertise from our FAS, telling us whatever
they seem to know best or at least suspect is most likely, and where
are those public funded supercomputer simulations. *Surely these brown-
nosed clowns, faith-based bigots and closed mindsets of our Usenet/
newsgroup proprietors that are continually enforcing their mainstream
status quo (much like my personal Jewish shadow tries to do by
trashing everyone in sight) are hopefully not speaking on behalf of
our FAS or any other professional group.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”



On Jun 20, 6:16*am, BradGuth wrote: On Apr 27, 4:47*am, BradGuth wrote:

Red giant stars are many, and yet still a little hard to come by, as
only a few public images of whatever is within 1000 light years seem
to exist that fit within the color saturated eye-candy profiles that
we’ve been taught to accept. *However, the visible spectrum is
extremely limited as to what is otherwise technically accessible from
just above and below our genetically limited and thus inferior visual
spectrum. (seems entirely odd that our human evolution was so careless
in having discarded so much visual capability, in that other creatures
seem to have a far wider visual spectrum capability that includes some
UV and IR)

“Red GiantStarFound to Have Massive Tail”
*http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_G...Have_Massive_T...
*Mira A of several hundred solar radii (UV colorized as bluish): “A
dying star situated 400 light years away from us exhibits an unusual
and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for more than 13 light
years.”
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
*http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html

Sirius B could have been much like an image of Mira A, except a whole
lot larger (1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR
*http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm...osium/173770_m...

Mira A and lots more composite observationology from FAS
*http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A6.html

There are many possibilities, as for how Sirius B used to function as
a truly massive (9 solar mass)star, thereby extremely hot and fast
burning prior to becoming a red supergiant, creating an impressive
planetary nebula phase before ending as the little white dwarf. *For
all we know Sirius B was even a variable kind of red giant and then
perhaps a slow nova flashover phase prior to finishing off as the
white dwarf.

These following examples are probably similar or perhaps representing
a slightly smaller version of what the Sirius star/solar system looked
like once Sirius B had started turning itself from an impressive red
supergiant into a white dwarf of perhaps 1/8th its original mass,
taking roughly 64~96,000 years for this explosive mass shedding phase
to happen. *A few tens of billions of years later is when such a white
dwarf eventually becomes a black dwarf, kind of black diamond spent star, in that our universe may or may not be quite old enough to
display such examples.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix_Nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Eye_Nebula
*http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap031207.html
*http://www.uv.es/jrtorres/index6.html

Betelgeuse has been a massive red giant at 20+ fold the mass of our
sun, and likely worth nearly 3 fold the mass of the original Sirius B,
and currently expanded to 1000 solar radii, and it'll be truly
impressive nova whenever it transforms into a white dwarf nearly the
size of Jupiter.

The soon to be renewed and improved Hubble should accomplish the
improved spectrum and resolution of most everything, along with other
existing and soon to be deployed telescopes should give us even better
composite examples of what Sirius B used to look like. *This may give
some of us a better interpretation as to what transpired right next
door to us, as well as having unavoidably contributed to some of what
our solar system has to offer.

We seem to have become closely associated with the Sirius star
cluster, even though Sirius has been a relatively newish and extremely
vibrant stellar evolution (quite possibly contributed from another
galaxy), and especially terrestrial illuminating of the first 200~250
million years worth.

It took a cosmic molecular cloud worth perhaps at least 120,000 solar
masses in order to produce such a 12+ mass star system, leaving 99.99%
of that molecular mass blown away and to fend for itself, at a place
and time when our existing solar system wasn't any too far away.
Others might go so far as to suggest a molecular cloud mass of 1.2
million, and others yet would prefer that this terrific cloud had
emerged from a smaller galaxy that encountered our Milky Way.

There's no way that our passive little solar system wasn't somehow
directly affected by and otherwise having become somewhat tidal radius
interrelated with such a nearby mass, at least associated with the
mutual barycenter that's primarily dominated by the Sirius star/solar
system.

Lo and behold, it seems the mergers of galactic proportions isn’t
nearly as uncommon as some naysayers might care to think.

The Hipparcos Space Astrometry Mission: (mainstream media ignored)
*http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/are...cfm?fareaid=20
*http://www.spacedaily.com/news/milkyway-04m.html

Local galactic motion simulation:
*"The Geneva-Copenhagen survey of the Solar neighborhood", by B.
Nordström et al.
*http://www.aanda.org/content/view/71/42/lang,en

According to several physics and astronomy kinds of *observationology
science (deductive interpretation of eye-candy), our Milky Way is made
up of at least two galactic units, with more on their blue-shifted way
towards encountering us. *Seems hardly fair considering that
everything was supposedly created via one singular big bang, not to
mention that hundreds to thousands of galaxies seem headed into the
Great Attractor (including us) for their final demise and/or rebirth.

Our Milky Way Galaxy and its Companions (we are not alone)
*http://www.public.asu.edu/~rjansen/l...ocalgroup.html

Don’t forget to appreciate those Hubble, KECK and multiple other
archives (including those of FAS) depicting “colliding galaxies”, soon
to be ESA enhanced and expanded upon via a trio of their impressive
orbital observatories, not to mention whatever the renewed and
improved Hubble plus our next generation of orbital observatories
should further document. *It may even become hard to find galaxies as
massive as ours and Andromeda that are entirely original without their
having gown via mergers.

Where's the all-knowing expertise from FAS, telling us whatever they
seem to know best or at least suspect is most likely. *Surely these
brown-nosed clowns, faith-based bigots and closed mindsets of our
Usenet/newsgroup that are enforcing their mainstream status quo (much
like my personal Jewish shadow tries to do), are hopefully not
speaking on behalf of FAS.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

Considering that we're still managing to hold onto Sedna;
current (solar system) ~ Sedna/aphelion gravitational attraction:
2.02e30 and 4.7e21 kg at 1.459e14 m = 2.975e13 N

Whereas Sirius has been holding onto us;
current (solar system) ~ Sirius gravitational force of attraction:
2.02e30 and 6.9615e30 kg at 8.1365e16 m = 1.417e17 N

That's a 4763:1 greater hold than we have on Sedna.

You can always do the math yourself, or use one of the following:
Gravity Force of Attraction (orbital tidal radius)
http://www.1728.com/gravity.htm
http://www.wsanford.com/~wsanford/ca...alculator.html

~ BG

On Jul 4, 3:35*pm, BradGuth wrote:
How could the Sirius B helium flashover not have affected us?

How could the tidal radii of the Sirius star/solar system not have our
solar system within its control?

How could the original molecular cloud as having given birth to the
extremely vibrant Sirius star/solar system have gone through our part
of this galaxy so quickly, and without a trace?

*~ BG

On Jul 3, 5:41*am, BradGuth wrote: Sirius and us(our solar system) are inseparable, at least according to
the regular laws of physics pertaining to the laws of gravity and
orbital mechanics that seems more than sufficient, especially if
little Sedna can be turned around at a tidal radii of 1.459e11 km
that’s worth merely 2.975e13 N, whereas Sirius at 1.417e17 N (20
thousand fold stronger) and we’ve been gaining on Sirius by 7.6 km/
sec, plus most likely accelerating towards are next encounter.

It’s all nothing but a mainstream infowar, a tactical gauntlet of
lies, deceptions and systematic obfuscation is what it’s all about.
When I’ve merely expected of others to share information and to
otherwise constructively ponder and contribute to this topic and many
similar ones before, all we ever got at best was a stone cold
shoulder, and otherwise mostly negativity and banishment from most, as
well as from a certain racist and bigotry spouting rabbi none the
less. *However, the laws of physics are seldom if ever politically
correct or otherwise faith-based, and as such they simply do not lie,
and even the best available science doesn’t support many of those
established mainstream notions of excluding anything and everything
that rocks a given faith-based boat..

Gravity Force of Attraction (orbital tidal radius)
*http://www.1728.com/gravity.htm
*http://www.wsanford.com/~wsanford/ca...alculator.html

The cosmic molecular cloud of what created Sirius, as being worth at
least 1.25e6 solar masses, while at a center to center distance of 100
ly and using our solar system mass of 2.05e30 kg for that same era, we
get the following results for 100 ly (9.46053e17 m), 50 ly (4.7303e17
m) and 10 ly (9.46053e16 m).
*2.05e30 kg *and *2.5e36 kg *at 100 ly = 3.819e20 Newtons
*2.05e30 kg *and *2.5e36 kg *at * 50 ly = 1.528e21 N
*2.05e30 kg *and *2.5e36 kg *at * 10 ly = 3.819e22 N

current (sun ~ earth) gravitational force of attraction:
*1.989e30 and 5.974e24 kg at 1.496e11 m = 3.541e22 N

current (sun ~ mars) gravitational force of attraction:
*1.989e30 and 6.418e23 kg at 2.2794e11 m = 1.639e21 N

current (sun ~ pluto) gravitational force of attraction:
*1.989e30 and 1.305e22 kg at 5.906e12 m = 4.964e16 N

current (solar system) ~ Sedna/average gravitational attraction:
*2.02e30 and 4.7e21 kg at 7.867e13 m = 1.023e14 N

current (solar system) ~ Sedna/aphelion gravitational attraction:
*2.02e30 and 4.7e21 kg at 1.459e14 m = 2.975e13 N

current (solar system) ~ Sirius gravitational force of attraction:
*2.02e30 and 6.9615e30 kg at 8.1365e16 m = 1.417e17 N

Being that a molecular cloud of at least 1.25e6 solar masses is going
to have a diameter of nearly 100 light years, as such I might suggest
that we use the 50 ly parameter for the adjusted distance from the
core density of such a molecular cloud, as for mutually binding us at
the weak gravity force of 1.528e21 N. *Of course by doubling that
distance cuts this tidal binding force of radial gravitational
attraction down to a forth, whereas even at 500 ly it’s still worth
1.528e19 N, and at the 2.5e37 solar masses brings that 500 ly distance
right back up to being worth 1.528e20 N.

The cosmic creation of the Sirius star/solar system was no small
matter of any wussy little molecular cloud. *This was an extremely
large cloud and subsequent stellar birthing event of relatively recent
times (250~300 MBP), and as such it would have been entirely visible
to the naked human eyes of that era (not that any intelligent human
via Darwin or intelligent design even existed at that time, although
Ed Conrad’s “Man of Coal” seems to be of that era), and as of most
recently transforming the red supergiant phase of Sirius B into a
white dwarf required a helium flashover (slow nova) about as close as
you can safely get, if not a little too close.

By way of reading from what others claiming to know more than most
anyone else (must be Einstein clones), it seems they’d have no
problems with suggesting the 1e6:1 cosmic molecular cloud of having
been worth 1.25e7 solar masses that created the Sirius star/solar
system, and if still using 2.05e30 kg mass for that of our solar
system of that same era results in yet another 10 fold increased force
of attraction for that same 50 ly distance, representing 1.528e22 N
(nearly half of the sun~earth attraction), and 99.9999% of this 1e6:1
molecular cloud that’s oddly nowhere to be found, by rights should
have greatly affected our solar system.

Try to remember that this wasn’t a one brief time kind of a cosmic
drive-by event, but most likely worth at least ten million years of
persistent gravity pull before ever having cranked out those
impressive Sirius stars, and for at least another million some odd
years of having blown everything else (99.999% of that molecular
cloud) far away. *Once again, how can this kind of nearby cosmic event
and of such horrific original mass not have affected our solar system?

Where's the all-knowing expertise from our FAS, telling us whatever
they seem to know best or at least suspect is most likely, and where
are those public funded supercomputer simulations. *Surely these brown-
nosed clowns, faith-based bigots and closed mindsets of our Usenet/
newsgroup proprietors that are continually enforcing their mainstream
status quo (much like my personal Jewish shadow tries to do by
trashing everyone in sight) are hopefully not speaking on behalf of
our FAS or any other professional group.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Jun 20, 6:16*am, BradGuth wrote: On Apr 27, 4:47*am, BradGuth wrote:

Red giant stars are many, and yet still a little hard to come by, as
only a few public images of whatever is within 1000 light years seem
to exist that fit within the color saturated eye-candy profiles that
we’ve been taught to accept. *However, the visible spectrum is
extremely limited as to what is otherwise technically accessible from
just above and below our genetically limited and thus inferior visual
spectrum. (seems entirely odd that our human evolution was so careless
in having discarded so much visual capability, in that other creatures
seem to have a far wider visual spectrum capability that includes some
UV and IR)

“Red GiantStarFound to Have Massive Tail”
*http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_G...Have_Massive_T...
*Mira A of several hundred solar radii (UV colorized as bluish): “A
dying star situated 400 light years away from us exhibits an unusual
and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for more than 13 light
years.”
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
*http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html

Sirius B could have been much like an image of Mira A, except a whole
lot larger (1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR
*http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm...osium/173770_m...

Mira A and lots more composite observationology from FAS
*http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A6.html

There are many possibilities, as for how Sirius B used to function as
a truly massive (9 solar mass)star, thereby extremely hot and fast
burning prior to becoming a red supergiant, creating an impressive
planetary nebula phase before ending as the little white dwarf. *For
all we know Sirius B was even a variable kind of red giant and then
perhaps a slow nova flashover phase prior to finishing off as the
white dwarf.

These following examples are probably similar or perhaps representing
a slightly smaller version of what the Sirius star/solar system looked
like once Sirius B had started turning itself from an impressive red
supergiant into a white dwarf of perhaps 1/8th its original mass,
taking roughly 64~96,000 years for this explosive mass shedding phase
to happen. *A few tens of billions of years later is when such a white
dwarf eventually becomes a black dwarf, kind of black diamond spent star, in that our universe may or may not be quite old enough to
display such examples.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix_Nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Eye_Nebula
*http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap031207.html
*http://www.uv.es/jrtorres/index6.html

Betelgeuse has been a massive red giant at 20+ fold the mass of our
sun, and likely worth nearly 3 fold the mass of the original Sirius B,
and currently expanded to 1000 solar radii, and it'll be truly
impressive nova whenever it transforms into a white dwarf nearly the
size of Jupiter.

The soon to be renewed and improved Hubble should accomplish the
improved spectrum and resolution of most everything, along with other
existing and soon to be deployed telescopes should give us even better
composite examples of what Sirius B used to look like. *This may give
some of us a better interpretation as to what transpired right next
door to us, as well as having unavoidably contributed to some of what
our solar system has to offer.

We seem to have become closely associated with the Sirius star
cluster, even though Sirius has been a relatively newish and extremely
vibrant stellar evolution (quite possibly contributed from another
galaxy), and especially terrestrial illuminating of the first 200~250
million years worth.

It took a cosmic molecular cloud worth perhaps at least 120,000 solar
masses in order to produce such a 12+ mass star system, leaving 99.99%
of that molecular mass blown away and to fend for itself, at a place
and time when our existing solar system wasn't any too far away.
Others might go so far as to suggest a molecular cloud mass of 1.2
million, and others yet would prefer that this terrific cloud had
emerged from a smaller galaxy that encountered our Milky Way.

There's no way that our passive little solar system wasn't somehow
directly affected by and otherwise having become somewhat tidal radius
interrelated with such a nearby mass, at least associated with the
mutual barycenter that's primarily dominated by the Sirius star/solar
system.

Lo and behold, it seems the mergers of galactic proportions isn’t
nearly as uncommon as some naysayers might care to think.

The Hipparcos Space Astrometry Mission: (mainstream media ignored)
*http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/are...cfm?fareaid=20
*http://www.spacedaily.com/news/milkyway-04m.html

Local galactic motion simulation:
*"The Geneva-Copenhagen survey of the Solar neighborhood", by B.
Nordström et al.
*http://www.aanda.org/content/view/71/42/lang,en

According to several physics and astronomy kinds of *observationology
science (deductive interpretation of eye-candy), our Milky Way is made
up of at least two galactic units, with more on their blue-shifted way
towards encountering us. *Seems hardly fair considering that
everything was supposedly created via one singular big bang, not to
mention that hundreds to thousands of galaxies seem headed into the
Great Attractor (including us) for their final demise and/or rebirth.

Our Milky Way Galaxy and its Companions (we are not alone)
*http://www.public.asu.edu/~rjansen/l...ocalgroup.html

Don’t forget to appreciate those Hubble, KECK and multiple other
archives (including those of FAS) depicting “colliding galaxies”, soon
to be ESA enhanced and expanded upon via a trio of their impressive
orbital observatories, not to mention whatever the renewed and
improved Hubble plus our next generation of orbital observatories
should further document. *It may even become hard to find galaxies as
massive as ours and Andromeda that are entirely original without their
having gown via mergers.

Where's the all-knowing expertise from FAS, telling us whatever they
seem to know best or at least suspect is most likely. *Surely these
brown-nosed clowns, faith-based bigots and closed mindsets of our
Usenet/newsgroup that are enforcing their mainstream status quo (much
like my personal Jewish shadow tries to do), are hopefully not
speaking on behalf of FAS.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

In order to put this tidal radius grip or Newtonian binding force into
context, it’s good to draw upon whatever we objectively know to be the
case.

TNOs like Sedna, multiple thousands of SDOs and even a few of the
larger OCOs (Ort Cloud Objects) are no longer hard to find within the
radii of our Oort cloud, that’s reaching way the hell out there at the
tidal radii of 3e16 meters and isn’t exactly going anywhere either,
all because of the weak binding force of gravity (“the Sun's orb of
physical, gravitational, or dynamical influence”).
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/astro/tnoslist.html

Considering that we're still managing to hold onto Sedna;
current (solar system) ~ Sedna/aphelion gravitational attraction:
2.02e30 and 4.7e21 kg at 1.459e14 m = 2.975e13 N

Whereas Sirius has apparently been holding onto us;
current (solar system) ~ Sirius gravitational force of attraction:
2.02e30 and 6.9615e30 kg at 8.1365e16 m = 1.417e17 N

Now try to imagine whatever else the Sirius star/solar system of 3.5
solar masses is quite capable of holding onto, not to mention as of
prior to Sirius B becoming a white dwarf, and of not too long before
then of whatever the original molecular cloud of 1.25e7 solar masses
has to say (even at 500 ly it’s a worthy pull or attractive force of
1.528e20 N).

As is, that 1.417e17 N worth of the Sirius tidal radii holding force
represents a 4763:1 greater grip than we have on Sedna. Of course you
can always trust the obfuscation from our resident newsgroup rabbi, or
you can always do the math yourself, or perhaps simply use one of the
following:
Gravity Force of Attraction (orbital tidal radius force)
http://www.1728.com/gravity.htm
http://www.wsanford.com/~wsanford/ca...alculator.html

Not to further nitpick, however there’s 2005-VX3 / damocloid(asteroid)
of 112 km diameter and perhaps worth at most 1.47e18 kg that’s hanging
all the way out to 2275.5 AU (3.404e14 m) that’s worth merely 1.709e9
N, and even it’s not going away from our solar system tidal radius.
That’s a Sirius/XV3 ratio of nearly 83e6:1 greater tidal radii hold on
us, not to mention that we seem to be headed back towards Sirius at
7.6 km/s and unavoidably accelerating.

In other words, we unavoidably became a Newtonian orbiting part of
that same Sirius molecular cloud, and having remained associated with
the Sirius star/solar system ever since. The 99.999% remains of that
original molecular cloud which gave birth to Sirius is however nowhere
in sight, which is rather odd in that our instruments having imaged
the remains of similar or far less robust clouds at millions of light
years away, suggesting that the Sirius B helium flashover may have
actually been more like a sustained supernovae that directly affected
our terrestrial environment and having triggered our most recent
genetic mutations.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”


On Jul 3, 5:41*am, BradGuth wrote:
Sirius and us(our solar system) are inseparable, at least according to
the regular laws of physics pertaining to the laws of gravity and
orbital mechanics that seems more than sufficient, especially if
little Sedna can be turned around at a tidal radii of 1.459e11 km
that’s worth merely 2.975e13 N, whereas Sirius at 1.417e17 N (20
thousand fold stronger) and we’ve been gaining on Sirius by 7.6 km/
sec, plus most likely accelerating towards are next encounter.

It’s all nothing but a mainstream infowar, a tactical gauntlet of
lies, deceptions and systematic obfuscation is what it’s all about.
When I’ve merely expected of others to share information and to
otherwise constructively ponder and contribute to this topic and many
similar ones before, all we ever got at best was a stone cold
shoulder, and otherwise mostly negativity and banishment from most, as
well as from a certain racist and bigotry spouting rabbi none the
less. *However, the laws of physics are seldom if ever politically
correct or otherwise faith-based, and as such they simply do not lie,
and even the best available science doesn’t support many of those
established mainstream notions of excluding anything and everything
that rocks a given faith-based boat..

Gravity Force of Attraction (orbital tidal radius)
*http://www.1728.com/gravity.htm
*http://www.wsanford.com/~wsanford/ca...alculator.html

The cosmic molecular cloud of what created Sirius, as being worth at
least 1.25e6 solar masses, while at a center to center distance of 100
ly and using our solar system mass of 2.05e30 kg for that same era, we
get the following results for 100 ly (9.46053e17 m), 50 ly (4.7303e17
m) and 10 ly (9.46053e16 m).
*2.05e30 kg *and *2.5e36 kg *at 100 ly = 3.819e20 Newtons
*2.05e30 kg *and *2.5e36 kg *at * 50 ly = 1.528e21 N
*2.05e30 kg *and *2.5e36 kg *at * 10 ly = 3.819e22 N

current (sun ~ earth) gravitational force of attraction:
*1.989e30 and 5.974e24 kg at 1.496e11 m = 3.541e22 N

current (sun ~ mars) gravitational force of attraction:
*1.989e30 and 6.418e23 kg at 2.2794e11 m = 1.639e21 N

current (sun ~ pluto) gravitational force of attraction:
*1.989e30 and 1.305e22 kg at 5.906e12 m = 4.964e16 N

current (solar system) ~ Sedna/average gravitational attraction:
*2.02e30 and 4.7e21 kg at 7.867e13 m = 1.023e14 N

current (solar system) ~ Sedna/aphelion gravitational attraction:
*2.02e30 and 4.7e21 kg at 1.459e14 m = 2.975e13 N

current (solar system) ~ Sirius gravitational force of attraction:
*2.02e30 and 6.9615e30 kg at 8.1365e16 m = 1.417e17 N

Being that a molecular cloud of at least 1.25e6 solar masses is going
to have a diameter of nearly 100 light years, as such I might suggest
that we use the 50 ly parameter for the adjusted distance from the
core density of such a molecular cloud, as for mutually binding us at
the weak gravity force of 1.528e21 N. *Of course by doubling that
distance cuts this tidal binding force of radial gravitational
attraction down to a forth, whereas even at 500 ly it’s still worth
1.528e19 N, and at the 2.5e37 solar masses brings that 500 ly distance
right back up to being worth 1.528e20 N.

The cosmic creation of the Sirius star/solar system was no small
matter of any wussy little molecular cloud. *This was an extremely
large cloud and subsequent stellar birthing event of relatively recent
times (250~300 MBP), and as such it would have been entirely visible
to the naked human eyes of that era (not that any intelligent human
via Darwin or intelligent design even existed at that time, although
Ed Conrad’s “Man of Coal” seems to be of that era), and as of most
recently transforming the red supergiant phase of Sirius B into a
white dwarf required a helium flashover (slow nova) about as close as
you can safely get, if not a little too close.

By way of reading from what others claiming to know more than most
anyone else (must be Einstein clones), it seems they’d have no
problems with suggesting the 1e6:1 cosmic molecular cloud of having
been worth 1.25e7 solar masses that created the Sirius star/solar
system, and if still using 2.05e30 kg mass for that of our solar
system of that same era results in yet another 10 fold increased force
of attraction for that same 50 ly distance, representing 1.528e22 N
(nearly half of the sun~earth attraction), and 99.9999% of this 1e6:1
molecular cloud that’s oddly nowhere to be found, by rights should
have greatly affected our solar system.

Try to remember that this wasn’t a one brief time kind of a cosmic
drive-by event, but most likely worth at least ten million years of
persistent gravity pull before ever having cranked out those
impressive Sirius stars, and for at least another million some odd
years of having blown everything else (99.999% of that molecular
cloud) far away. *Once again, how can this kind of nearby cosmic event
and of such horrific original mass not have affected our solar system?

Where's the all-knowing expertise from our FAS, telling us whatever
they seem to know best or at least suspect is most likely, and where
are those public funded supercomputer simulations. *Surely these brown-
nosed clowns, faith-based bigots and closed mindsets of our Usenet/
newsgroup proprietors that are continually enforcing their mainstream
status quo (much like my personal Jewish shadow tries to do by
trashing everyone in sight) are hopefully not speaking on behalf of
our FAS or any other professional group.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”



On Jun 20, 6:16*am, BradGuth wrote: On Apr 27, 4:47*am, BradGuth wrote:

Red giant stars are many, and yet still a little hard to come by, as
only a few public images of whatever is within 1000 light years seem
to exist that fit within the color saturated eye-candy profiles that
we’ve been taught to accept. *However, the visible spectrum is
extremely limited as to what is otherwise technically accessible from
just above and below our genetically limited and thus inferior visual
spectrum. (seems entirely odd that our human evolution was so careless
in having discarded so much visual capability, in that other creatures
seem to have a far wider visual spectrum capability that includes some
UV and IR)

“Red GiantStarFound to Have Massive Tail”
*http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_G...Have_Massive_T...
*Mira A of several hundred solar radii (UV colorized as bluish): “A
dying star situated 400 light years away from us exhibits an unusual
and massive tail of heated gas that spreads for more than 13 light
years.”
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira
*http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/20070815/a.html

Sirius B could have been much like an image of Mira A, except a whole
lot larger (1000 solar radii), as viewed in visible and near IR
*http://xmm.esac.esa.int/external/xmm...osium/173770_m...

Mira A and lots more composite observationology from FAS
*http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect20/A6.html

There are many possibilities, as for how Sirius B used to function as
a truly massive (9 solar mass)star, thereby extremely hot and fast
burning prior to becoming a red supergiant, creating an impressive
planetary nebula phase before ending as the little white dwarf. *For
all we know Sirius B was even a variable kind of red giant and then
perhaps a slow nova flashover phase prior to finishing off as the
white dwarf.

These following examples are probably similar or perhaps representing
a slightly smaller version of what the Sirius star/solar system looked
like once Sirius B had started turning itself from an impressive red
supergiant into a white dwarf of perhaps 1/8th its original mass,
taking roughly 64~96,000 years for this explosive mass shedding phase
to happen. *A few tens of billions of years later is when such a white
dwarf eventually becomes a black dwarf, kind of black diamond spent star, in that our universe may or may not be quite old enough to
display such examples.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix_Nebula
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Eye_Nebula
*http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap031207.html
*http://www.uv.es/jrtorres/index6.html

Betelgeuse has been a massive red giant at 20+ fold the mass of our
sun, and likely worth nearly 3 fold the mass of the original Sirius B,
and currently expanded to 1000 solar radii, and it'll be truly
impressive nova whenever it transforms into a white dwarf nearly the
size of Jupiter.

The soon to be renewed and improved Hubble should accomplish the
improved spectrum and resolution of most everything, along with other
existing and soon to be deployed telescopes should give us even better
composite examples of what Sirius B used to look like. *This may give
some of us a better interpretation as to what transpired right next
door to us, as well as having unavoidably contributed to some of what
our solar system has to offer.

We seem to have become closely associated with the Sirius star
cluster, even though Sirius has been a relatively newish and extremely
vibrant stellar evolution (quite possibly contributed from another
galaxy), and especially terrestrial illuminating of the first 200~250
million years worth.

It took a cosmic molecular cloud worth perhaps at least 120,000 solar
masses in order to produce such a 12+ mass star system, leaving 99.99%
of that molecular mass blown away and to fend for itself, at a place
and time when our existing solar system wasn't any too far away.
Others might go so far as to suggest a molecular cloud mass of 1.2
million, and others yet would prefer that this terrific cloud had
emerged from a smaller galaxy that encountered our Milky Way.

There's no way that our passive little solar system wasn't somehow
directly affected by and otherwise having become somewhat tidal radius
interrelated with such a nearby mass, at least associated with the
mutual barycenter that's primarily dominated by the Sirius star/solar
system.

Lo and behold, it seems the mergers of galactic proportions isn’t
nearly as uncommon as some naysayers might care to think.

The Hipparcos Space Astrometry Mission: (mainstream media ignored)
*http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/are...cfm?fareaid=20
*http://www.spacedaily.com/news/milkyway-04m.html

Local galactic motion simulation:
*"The Geneva-Copenhagen survey of the Solar neighborhood", by B.
Nordström et al.
*http://www.aanda.org/content/view/71/42/lang,en

According to several physics and astronomy kinds of *observationology
science (deductive interpretation of eye-candy), our Milky Way is made
up of at least two galactic units, with more on their blue-shifted way
towards encountering us. *Seems hardly fair considering that
everything was supposedly created via one singular big bang, not to
mention that hundreds to thousands of galaxies seem headed into the
Great Attractor (including us) for their final demise and/or rebirth.

Our Milky Way Galaxy and its Companions (we are not alone)
*http://www.public.asu.edu/~rjansen/l...ocalgroup.html

Don’t forget to appreciate those Hubble, KECK and multiple other
archives (including those of FAS) depicting “colliding galaxies”, soon
to be ESA enhanced and expanded upon via a trio of their impressive
orbital observatories, not to mention whatever the renewed and
improved Hubble plus our next generation of orbital observatories
should further document. *It may even become hard to find galaxies as
massive as ours and Andromeda that are entirely original without their
having gown via mergers.

Where's the all-knowing expertise from FAS, telling us whatever they
seem to know best or at least suspect is most likely. *Surely these
brown-nosed clowns, faith-based bigots and closed mindsets of our
Usenet/newsgroup that are enforcing their mainstream status quo (much
like my personal Jewish shadow tries to do), are hopefully not
speaking on behalf of FAS.

In order to put this tidal radius grip or Newtonian binding force into
proper context, it’s good to draw upon whatever we objectively know to
be the case.

TNOs like Sedna, multiple thousands of SDOs and even a few of the
larger OCOs (Ort Cloud Objects) are no longer hard to find within the
radii of our Oort cloud, that’s reaching way the hell out there at the
tidal radii of 3e16 meters and isn’t exactly going anywhere either,
all because of the weak binding force of gravity (“the Sun's orb of
physical, gravitational, or dynamical influence”).
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/astro/tnoslist.html

Considering that we're still managing to hold onto Sedna;
current (solar system) ~ Sedna/aphelion gravitational attraction:
2.02e30 and 4.7e21 kg at 1.459e14 m = 2.975e13 N

Whereas Sirius has apparently been holding onto us;
current (solar system) ~ Sirius gravitational force of attraction:
2.02e30 and 6.9615e30 kg at 8.1365e16 m = 1.417e17 N

Now try to imagine whatever else the Sirius star/solar system of 3.5
solar masses is quite capable of holding onto, not to mention as of
prior to Sirius B becoming a white dwarf, and of not too long before
then of whatever the original molecular cloud of 1.25e7 solar masses
has to say (even at 500 ly it’s a worthy pull or attractive force of
1.528e20 N).

As is, that 1.417e17 N worth of the Sirius tidal radii holding force
represents a 4763:1 greater grip than we have on Sedna. Of course you
can always trust the obfuscation from our resident newsgroup rabbi, or
you can always do the math yourself, or perhaps simply use one of the
following:
Gravity Force of Attraction (orbital tidal radius force)
http://www.1728.com/gravity.htm
http://www.wsanford.com/~wsanford/ca...alculator.html

Not to further nitpick, however there’s 2005-VX3 / damocloid(asteroid)
of 112 km diameter and perhaps worth at most 1.47e18 kg that’s hanging
all the way out to 2275.5 AU (3.404e14 m) that’s worth merely 1.709e9
N, and even it’s not going away from our solar system tidal radius.
That’s a Sirius/XV3 ratio of nearly 83e6:1 greater tidal radii hold on
us, not to mention that we seem to be headed back towards Sirius at
7.6 km/s and unavoidably accelerating.

In other words, we unavoidably became a Newtonian orbiting part of
that same Sirius molecular cloud, and having remained associated with
the Sirius star/solar system ever since. The 99.999% remains of that
original molecular cloud which gave birth to Sirius is however nowhere
in sight, which is rather odd in that our instruments having imaged
the remains of similar or far less robust clouds at millions of light
years away, suggesting that the Sirius B helium flashover may have
actually been more like a sustained supernovae that directly affected
our terrestrial environment and having triggered our most recent
genetic mutations.

As I've said before, you do not have to take my word on this, because
the laws of physics and the Newtonian force of gravity are entirely in
charge of this one. Only a religious faith that systematically
excludes such matters of fact can manage to keep a straight face as
they publicly obfuscate and otherwise remain in denial.

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Jul 5, 5:01*am, BradGuth wrote:
In order to put this tidal radius grip or Newtonian binding force into
context, it’s good to draw upon whatever we objectively know to be the
case.

TNOs like Sedna, multiple thousands of SDOs and even a few of the
larger OCOs (Ort Cloud Objects) are no longer hard to find within the
radii of our Oort cloud, that’s reaching way the hell out there at the
tidal radii of 3e16 meters and isn’t exactly going anywhere either,
all because of the weak binding force of gravity (“the Sun's orb of
physical, gravitational, or dynamical influence”).
*http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/astro/tnoslist.html

Considering that we're still managing to hold onto Sedna;
*current (solar system) ~ Sedna/aphelion gravitational attraction:
*2.02e30 and 4.7e21 kg at 1.459e14 m = 2.975e13 N

Whereas Sirius has apparently been holding onto us;
*current (solar system) ~ Sirius gravitational force of attraction:
*2.02e30 and 6.9615e30 kg at 8.1365e16 m = 1.417e17 N

Now try to imagine whatever else the Sirius star/solar system of 3.5
solar masses is quite capable of holding onto, not to mention as of
prior to Sirius B becoming a white dwarf, and of not too long before
then of whatever the original molecular cloud of 1.25e7 solar masses
has to say (even at 500 ly it’s a worthy pull or attractive force of
1.528e20 N).

As is, that 1.417e17 N worth of the Sirius tidal radii holding force
represents a 4763:1 greater grip than we have on Sedna. Of course you
can always trust the obfuscation from our resident newsgroup rabbi, or
you can always do the math yourself, or perhaps simply use one of the
following:
*Gravity Force of Attraction (orbital tidal radius force)
*http://www.1728.com/gravity.htm
*http://www.wsanford.com/~wsanford/ca...alculator.html

Not to further nitpick, however there’s 2005-VX3 / damocloid(asteroid)
of 112 km diameter and perhaps worth at most 1.47e18 kg that’s hanging
all the way out to 2275.5 AU (3.404e14 m) that’s worth merely 1.709e9
N, and even it’s not going away from our solar system tidal radius.
That’s a Sirius/XV3 ratio of nearly 83e6:1 greater tidal radii hold on
us, not to mention that we seem to be headed back towards Sirius at
7.6 km/s and unavoidably accelerating.

In other words, we unavoidably became a Newtonian orbiting part of
that same Sirius molecular cloud, and having remained associated with
the Sirius star/solar system ever since. The 99.999% remains of that
original molecular cloud which gave birth to Sirius is however nowhere
in sight, which is rather odd in that our instruments having imaged
the remains of similar or far less robust clouds at millions of light
years away, suggesting that the Sirius B helium flashover may have
actually been more like a sustained supernovae that directly affected
our terrestrial environment and having triggered our most recent
genetic mutations.

Is there any further question, as to how much our solar system has
been under the gravitational radii dominance of the Sirius star/solar
system, such as for the past 200~300 millions years?

In order to put this tidal radius grip or Newtonian binding force into
proper context, it’s good to draw upon whatever we objectively know to
be the case.

TNOs like Sedna, multiple thousands of SDOs and even a few of the
larger OCOs (Ort Cloud Objects) are no longer hard to find within the
radii of our Oort cloud, that’s reaching way the hell out there at the
tidal radii of 3e16 meters and isn’t exactly going anywhere either,
all because of the weak binding force of gravity (“the Sun's orb of
physical, gravitational, or dynamical influence”).
*http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/astro/tnoslist.html

Considering that we're still managing to hold onto Sedna;
*current (solar system) ~ Sedna/aphelion gravitational attraction:
*2.02e30 and 4.7e21 kg at 1.459e14 m = 2.975e13 N

Whereas Sirius has apparently been holding onto us;
*current (solar system) ~ Sirius gravitational force of attraction:
*2.02e30 and 6.9615e30 kg at 8.1365e16 m = 1.417e17 N

Now try to imagine whatever else the Sirius star/solar system of 3.5
solar masses is quite capable of holding onto, not to mention as of
prior to Sirius B becoming a white dwarf, and of not too long before
then of whatever the original molecular cloud of 1.25e7 solar masses
has to say (even at 500 ly it’s a worthy pull or attractive force of
1.528e20 N).

As is, that 1.417e17 N worth of the Sirius tidal radii holding force
represents a 4763:1 greater grip than we have on Sedna. Of course you
can always trust the obfuscation from our resident newsgroup rabbi, or
you can always do the math yourself, or perhaps simply use one of the
following:
*Gravity Force of Attraction (orbital tidal radius force)
*http://www.1728.com/gravity.htm
*http://www.wsanford.com/~wsanford/ca...alculator.html

Not to further nitpick, however there’s 2005-VX3 / damocloid(asteroid)
of 112 km diameter and perhaps worth at most 1.47e18 kg that’s hanging
all the way out to 2275.5 AU (3.404e14 m) that’s worth merely 1.709e9
N, and even it’s not going away from our solar system tidal radius.
That’s a Sirius/XV3 ratio of nearly 83e6:1 greater tidal radii hold on
us, not to mention that we seem to be headed back towards Sirius at
7.6 km/s and unavoidably accelerating.

In other words, we unavoidably became a Newtonian orbiting part of
that same Sirius molecular cloud, and having remained associated with
the Sirius star/solar system ever since. The 99.999% remains of that
original molecular cloud which gave birth to Sirius is however nowhere
in sight, which is rather odd in that our instruments having imaged
the remains of similar or far less robust clouds at millions of light
years away, suggesting that the Sirius B helium flashover may have
actually been more like a sustained supernovae that directly affected
our terrestrial environment and having triggered our most recent
genetic mutations.

As I've said before, you do not have to take my word on this, because
the laws of physics and the Newtonian force of gravity are entirely in
charge of this one. *Only a religious faith that systematically
excludes such matters of fact can manage to keep a straight face as
they publicly obfuscate and otherwise remain in denial.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

Why should we be so deathly afraid of learning the best available
truths pertaining to the what and how we are a part of a much bigger
cosmic picture?

~ BG

On Jul 5, 5:41*pm, BradGuth wrote:
On Jul 5, 5:01*am, BradGuth wrote:





In order to put this tidal radius grip or Newtonian binding force into
context, it’s good to draw upon whatever we objectively know to be the
case.

TNOs like Sedna, multiple thousands of SDOs and even a few of the
larger OCOs (Ort Cloud Objects) are no longer hard to find within the
radii of our Oort cloud, that’s reaching way the hell out there at the
tidal radii of 3e16 meters and isn’t exactly going anywhere either,
all because of the weak binding force of gravity (“the Sun's orb of
physical, gravitational, or dynamical influence”).
*http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/astro/tnoslist.html

Considering that we're still managing to hold onto Sedna;
*current (solar system) ~ Sedna/aphelion gravitational attraction:
*2.02e30 and 4.7e21 kg at 1.459e14 m = 2.975e13 N

Whereas Sirius has apparently been holding onto us;
*current (solar system) ~ Sirius gravitational force of attraction:
*2.02e30 and 6.9615e30 kg at 8.1365e16 m = 1.417e17 N

Now try to imagine whatever else the Sirius star/solar system of 3.5
solar masses is quite capable of holding onto, not to mention as of
prior to Sirius B becoming a white dwarf, and of not too long before
then of whatever the original molecular cloud of 1.25e7 solar masses
has to say (even at 500 ly it’s a worthy pull or attractive force of
1.528e20 N).

As is, that 1.417e17 N worth of the Sirius tidal radii holding force
represents a 4763:1 greater grip than we have on Sedna. Of course you
can always trust the obfuscation from our resident newsgroup rabbi, or
you can always do the math yourself, or perhaps simply use one of the
following:
*Gravity Force of Attraction (orbital tidal radius force)
*http://www.1728.com/gravity.htm
*http://www.wsanford.com/~wsanford/ca...alculator.html

Not to further nitpick, however there’s 2005-VX3 / damocloid(asteroid)
of 112 km diameter and perhaps worth at most 1.47e18 kg that’s hanging
all the way out to 2275.5 AU (3.404e14 m) that’s worth merely 1.709e9
N, and even it’s not going away from our solar system tidal radius.
That’s a Sirius/XV3 ratio of nearly 83e6:1 greater tidal radii hold on
us, not to mention that we seem to be headed back towards Sirius at
7.6 km/s and unavoidably accelerating.

In other words, we unavoidably became a Newtonian orbiting part of
that same Sirius molecular cloud, and having remained associated with
the Sirius star/solar system ever since. The 99.999% remains of that
original molecular cloud which gave birth to Sirius is however nowhere
in sight, which is rather odd in that our instruments having imaged
the remains of similar or far less robust clouds at millions of light
years away, suggesting that the Sirius B helium flashover may have
actually been more like a sustained supernovae that directly affected
our terrestrial environment and having triggered our most recent
genetic mutations.

Is there any further question, as to how much our solar system has
been under the gravitational radii dominance of the Sirius star/solar
system, such as for the past 200~300 millions years?





In order to put this tidal radius grip or Newtonian binding force into
proper context, it’s good to draw upon whatever we objectively know to
be the case.

TNOs like Sedna, multiple thousands of SDOs and even a few of the
larger OCOs (Ort Cloud Objects) are no longer hard to find within the
radii of our Oort cloud, that’s reaching way the hell out there at the
tidal radii of 3e16 meters and isn’t exactly going anywhere either,
all because of the weak binding force of gravity (“the Sun's orb of
physical, gravitational, or dynamical influence”).
*http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/astro/tnoslist.html

Considering that we're still managing to hold onto Sedna;
*current (solar system) ~ Sedna/aphelion gravitational attraction:
*2.02e30 and 4.7e21 kg at 1.459e14 m = 2.975e13 N

Whereas Sirius has apparently been holding onto us;
*current (solar system) ~ Sirius gravitational force of attraction:
*2.02e30 and 6.9615e30 kg at 8.1365e16 m = 1.417e17 N

Now try to imagine whatever else the Sirius star/solar system of 3.5
solar masses is quite capable of holding onto, not to mention as of
prior to Sirius B becoming a white dwarf, and of not too long before
then of whatever the original molecular cloud of 1.25e7 solar masses
has to say (even at 500 ly it’s a worthy pull or attractive force of
1.528e20 N).

As is, that 1.417e17 N worth of the Sirius tidal radii holding force
represents a 4763:1 greater grip than we have on Sedna. Of course you
can always trust the obfuscation from our resident newsgroup rabbi, or
you can always do the math yourself, or perhaps simply use one of the
following:
*Gravity Force of Attraction (orbital tidal radius force)
*http://www.1728.com/gravity.htm
*http://www.wsanford.com/~wsanford/ca...alculator.html

Not to further nitpick, however there’s 2005-VX3 / damocloid(asteroid)
of 112 km diameter and perhaps worth at most 1.47e18 kg that’s hanging
all the way out to 2275.5 AU (3.404e14 m) that’s worth merely 1.709e9
N, and even it’s not going away from our solar system tidal radius.
That’s a Sirius/XV3 ratio of nearly 83e6:1 greater tidal radii hold on
us, not to mention that we seem to be headed back towards Sirius at
7.6 km/s and unavoidably accelerating.

In other words, we unavoidably became a Newtonian orbiting part of
that same Sirius molecular cloud, and having remained associated with
the Sirius star/solar system ever since. The 99.999% remains of that
original molecular cloud which gave birth to Sirius is however nowhere
in sight, which is rather odd in that our instruments having imaged
the remains of similar or far less robust clouds at millions of light
years away, suggesting that the Sirius B helium flashover may have
actually been more like a sustained supernovae that directly affected
our terrestrial environment and having triggered our most recent
genetic mutations.

As I've said before, you do not have to take my word on this, because
the laws of physics and the Newtonian force of gravity are entirely in
charge of this one. *Only a religious faith that systematically
excludes such matters of fact can manage to keep a straight face as
they publicly obfuscate and otherwise remain in denial.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

Why should we be so deathly afraid of learning the best available
truths pertaining to the what and how we are a part of a much bigger
cosmic picture?

*~ BG


When will you stop beating this dead horse?

Double-A

On Jul 5, 6:07*pm, Double-A wrote:
On Jul 5, 5:41*pm, BradGuth wrote:



On Jul 5, 5:01*am, BradGuth wrote:

In order to put this tidal radius grip or Newtonian binding force into
context, it’s good to draw upon whatever we objectively know to be the
case.

TNOs like Sedna, multiple thousands of SDOs and even a few of the
larger OCOs (Ort Cloud Objects) are no longer hard to find within the
radii of our Oort cloud, that’s reaching way the hell out there at the
tidal radii of 3e16 meters and isn’t exactly going anywhere either,
all because of the weak binding force of gravity (“the Sun's orb of
physical, gravitational, or dynamical influence”).
*http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/astro/tnoslist.html

Considering that we're still managing to hold onto Sedna;
*current (solar system) ~ Sedna/aphelion gravitational attraction:
*2.02e30 and 4.7e21 kg at 1.459e14 m = 2.975e13 N

Whereas Sirius has apparently been holding onto us;
*current (solar system) ~ Sirius gravitational force of attraction:
*2.02e30 and 6.9615e30 kg at 8.1365e16 m = 1.417e17 N

Now try to imagine whatever else the Sirius star/solar system of 3.5
solar masses is quite capable of holding onto, not to mention as of
prior to Sirius B becoming a white dwarf, and of not too long before
then of whatever the original molecular cloud of 1.25e7 solar masses
has to say (even at 500 ly it’s a worthy pull or attractive force of
1.528e20 N).

As is, that 1.417e17 N worth of the Sirius tidal radii holding force
represents a 4763:1 greater grip than we have on Sedna. Of course you
can always trust the obfuscation from our resident newsgroup rabbi, or
you can always do the math yourself, or perhaps simply use one of the
following:
*Gravity Force of Attraction (orbital tidal radius force)
*http://www.1728.com/gravity.htm
*http://www.wsanford.com/~wsanford/ca...alculator.html

Not to further nitpick, however there’s 2005-VX3 / damocloid(asteroid)
of 112 km diameter and perhaps worth at most 1.47e18 kg that’s hanging
all the way out to 2275.5 AU (3.404e14 m) that’s worth merely 1.709e9
N, and even it’s not going away from our solar system tidal radius.
That’s a Sirius/XV3 ratio of nearly 83e6:1 greater tidal radii hold on
us, not to mention that we seem to be headed back towards Sirius at
7.6 km/s and unavoidably accelerating.

In other words, we unavoidably became a Newtonian orbiting part of
that same Sirius molecular cloud, and having remained associated with
the Sirius star/solar system ever since. The 99.999% remains of that
original molecular cloud which gave birth to Sirius is however nowhere
in sight, which is rather odd in that our instruments having imaged
the remains of similar or far less robust clouds at millions of light
years away, suggesting that the Sirius B helium flashover may have
actually been more like a sustained supernovae that directly affected
our terrestrial environment and having triggered our most recent
genetic mutations.

Is there any further question, as to how much our solar system has
been under the gravitational radii dominance of the Sirius star/solar
system, such as for the past 200~300 millions years?

In order to put this tidal radius grip or Newtonian binding force into
proper context, it’s good to draw upon whatever we objectively know to
be the case.

TNOs like Sedna, multiple thousands of SDOs and even a few of the
larger OCOs (Ort Cloud Objects) are no longer hard to find within the
radii of our Oort cloud, that’s reaching way the hell out there at the
tidal radii of 3e16 meters and isn’t exactly going anywhere either,
all because of the weak binding force of gravity (“the Sun's orb of
physical, gravitational, or dynamical influence”).
*http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/astro/tnoslist.html

Considering that we're still managing to hold onto Sedna;
*current (solar system) ~ Sedna/aphelion gravitational attraction:
*2.02e30 and 4.7e21 kg at 1.459e14 m = 2.975e13 N

Whereas Sirius has apparently been holding onto us;
*current (solar system) ~ Sirius gravitational force of attraction:
*2.02e30 and 6.9615e30 kg at 8.1365e16 m = 1.417e17 N

Now try to imagine whatever else the Sirius star/solar system of 3.5
solar masses is quite capable of holding onto, not to mention as of
prior to Sirius B becoming a white dwarf, and of not too long before
then of whatever the original molecular cloud of 1.25e7 solar masses
has to say (even at 500 ly it’s a worthy pull or attractive force of
1.528e20 N).

As is, that 1.417e17 N worth of the Sirius tidal radii holding force
represents a 4763:1 greater grip than we have on Sedna. Of course you
can always trust the obfuscation from our resident newsgroup rabbi, or
you can always do the math yourself, or perhaps simply use one of the
following:
*Gravity Force of Attraction (orbital tidal radius force)
*http://www.1728.com/gravity.htm
*http://www.wsanford.com/~wsanford/ca...alculator.html

Not to further nitpick, however there’s 2005-VX3 / damocloid(asteroid)
of 112 km diameter and perhaps worth at most 1.47e18 kg that’s hanging
all the way out to 2275.5 AU (3.404e14 m) that’s worth merely 1.709e9
N, and even it’s not going away from our solar system tidal radius.
That’s a Sirius/XV3 ratio of nearly 83e6:1 greater tidal radii hold on
us, not to mention that we seem to be headed back towards Sirius at
7.6 km/s and unavoidably accelerating.

In other words, we unavoidably became a Newtonian orbiting part of
that same Sirius molecular cloud, and having remained associated with
the Sirius star/solar system ever since. The 99.999% remains of that
original molecular cloud which gave birth to Sirius is however nowhere
in sight, which is rather odd in that our instruments having imaged
the remains of similar or far less robust clouds at millions of light
years away, suggesting that the Sirius B helium flashover may have
actually been more like a sustained supernovae that directly affected
our terrestrial environment and having triggered our most recent
genetic mutations.

As I've said before, you do not have to take my word on this, because
the laws of physics and the Newtonian force of gravity are entirely in
charge of this one. *Only a religious faith that systematically
excludes such matters of fact can manage to keep a straight face as
they publicly obfuscate and otherwise remain in denial.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

Why should we be so deathly afraid of learning the best available
truths pertaining to the what and how we are a part of a much bigger
cosmic picture?

*~ BG

When will you stop beating this dead horse?

Double-A

In other words, you're afraid of the cold hard and irrefutable facts
that has our solar system clearly under the Newtonian tidal radii
influence of Sirius.

When will you and so many others of your pretend-Atheist kind stop
being so deathly afraid of this old but sturdy horse that you insist
upon killing?

~ BG

On Jul 5, 8:59*pm, BradGuth wrote:
On Jul 5, 6:07*pm, Double-A wrote:





On Jul 5, 5:41*pm, BradGuth wrote:

On Jul 5, 5:01*am, BradGuth wrote:

In order to put this tidal radius grip or Newtonian binding force into
context, it’s good to draw upon whatever we objectively know to be the
case.

TNOs like Sedna, multiple thousands of SDOs and even a few of the
larger OCOs (Ort Cloud Objects) are no longer hard to find within the
radii of our Oort cloud, that’s reaching way the hell out there at the
tidal radii of 3e16 meters and isn’t exactly going anywhere either,
all because of the weak binding force of gravity (“the Sun's orb of
physical, gravitational, or dynamical influence”).
*http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/astro/tnoslist.html

Considering that we're still managing to hold onto Sedna;
*current (solar system) ~ Sedna/aphelion gravitational attraction:
*2.02e30 and 4.7e21 kg at 1.459e14 m = 2.975e13 N

Whereas Sirius has apparently been holding onto us;
*current (solar system) ~ Sirius gravitational force of attraction:
*2.02e30 and 6.9615e30 kg at 8.1365e16 m = 1.417e17 N

Now try to imagine whatever else the Sirius star/solar system of 3.5
solar masses is quite capable of holding onto, not to mention as of
prior to Sirius B becoming a white dwarf, and of not too long before
then of whatever the original molecular cloud of 1.25e7 solar masses
has to say (even at 500 ly it’s a worthy pull or attractive force of
1.528e20 N).

As is, that 1.417e17 N worth of the Sirius tidal radii holding force
represents a 4763:1 greater grip than we have on Sedna. Of course you
can always trust the obfuscation from our resident newsgroup rabbi, or
you can always do the math yourself, or perhaps simply use one of the
following:
*Gravity Force of Attraction (orbital tidal radius force)
*http://www.1728.com/gravity.htm
*http://www.wsanford.com/~wsanford/ca...lculator..html

Not to further nitpick, however there’s 2005-VX3 / damocloid(asteroid)
of 112 km diameter and perhaps worth at most 1.47e18 kg that’s hanging
all the way out to 2275.5 AU (3.404e14 m) that’s worth merely 1.709e9
N, and even it’s not going away from our solar system tidal radius.
That’s a Sirius/XV3 ratio of nearly 83e6:1 greater tidal radii hold on
us, not to mention that we seem to be headed back towards Sirius at
7.6 km/s and unavoidably accelerating.

In other words, we unavoidably became a Newtonian orbiting part of
that same Sirius molecular cloud, and having remained associated with
the Sirius star/solar system ever since. The 99.999% remains of that
original molecular cloud which gave birth to Sirius is however nowhere
in sight, which is rather odd in that our instruments having imaged
the remains of similar or far less robust clouds at millions of light
years away, suggesting that the Sirius B helium flashover may have
actually been more like a sustained supernovae that directly affected
our terrestrial environment and having triggered our most recent
genetic mutations.

Is there any further question, as to how much our solar system has
been under the gravitational radii dominance of the Sirius star/solar
system, such as for the past 200~300 millions years?

In order to put this tidal radius grip or Newtonian binding force into
proper context, it’s good to draw upon whatever we objectively know to
be the case.

TNOs like Sedna, multiple thousands of SDOs and even a few of the
larger OCOs (Ort Cloud Objects) are no longer hard to find within the
radii of our Oort cloud, that’s reaching way the hell out there at the
tidal radii of 3e16 meters and isn’t exactly going anywhere either,
all because of the weak binding force of gravity (“the Sun's orb of
physical, gravitational, or dynamical influence”).
*http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/astro/tnoslist.html

Considering that we're still managing to hold onto Sedna;
*current (solar system) ~ Sedna/aphelion gravitational attraction:
*2.02e30 and 4.7e21 kg at 1.459e14 m = 2.975e13 N

Whereas Sirius has apparently been holding onto us;
*current (solar system) ~ Sirius gravitational force of attraction:
*2.02e30 and 6.9615e30 kg at 8.1365e16 m = 1.417e17 N

Now try to imagine whatever else the Sirius star/solar system of 3.5
solar masses is quite capable of holding onto, not to mention as of
prior to Sirius B becoming a white dwarf, and of not too long before
then of whatever the original molecular cloud of 1.25e7 solar masses
has to say (even at 500 ly it’s a worthy pull or attractive force of
1.528e20 N).

As is, that 1.417e17 N worth of the Sirius tidal radii holding force
represents a 4763:1 greater grip than we have on Sedna. Of course you
can always trust the obfuscation from our resident newsgroup rabbi, or
you can always do the math yourself, or perhaps simply use one of the
following:
*Gravity Force of Attraction (orbital tidal radius force)
*http://www.1728.com/gravity.htm
*http://www.wsanford.com/~wsanford/ca...lculator..html

Not to further nitpick, however there’s 2005-VX3 / damocloid(asteroid)
of 112 km diameter and perhaps worth at most 1.47e18 kg that’s hanging
all the way out to 2275.5 AU (3.404e14 m) that’s worth merely 1.709e9
N, and even it’s not going away from our solar system tidal radius.
That’s a Sirius/XV3 ratio of nearly 83e6:1 greater tidal radii hold on
us, not to mention that we seem to be headed back towards Sirius at
7.6 km/s and unavoidably accelerating.

In other words, we unavoidably became a Newtonian orbiting part of
that same Sirius molecular cloud, and having remained associated with
the Sirius star/solar system ever since. The 99.999% remains of that
original molecular cloud which gave birth to Sirius is however nowhere
in sight, which is rather odd in that our instruments having imaged
the remains of similar or far less robust clouds at millions of light
years away, suggesting that the Sirius B helium flashover may have
actually been more like a sustained supernovae that directly affected
our terrestrial environment and having triggered our most recent
genetic mutations.

As I've said before, you do not have to take my word on this, because
the laws of physics and the Newtonian force of gravity are entirely in
charge of this one. *Only a religious faith that systematically
excludes such matters of fact can manage to keep a straight face as
they publicly obfuscate and otherwise remain in denial.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

Why should we be so deathly afraid of learning the best available
truths pertaining to the what and how we are a part of a much bigger
cosmic picture?

*~ BG

When will you stop beating this dead horse?

Double-A

In other words, you're afraid of the cold hard and irrefutable facts
that has our solar system clearly under the Newtonian tidal radii
influence of Sirius.

When will you and so many others of your pretend-Atheist kind stop
being so deathly afraid of this old but sturdy horse that you insist
upon killing?

*~ BG


There are 8 other stars closer to us than Sirius. How do they fit
into this gravitational influence?

Double-A

On Jul 7, 10:35*am, Double-A wrote:
On Jul 5, 8:59*pm, BradGuth wrote:



On Jul 5, 6:07*pm, Double-A wrote:

On Jul 5, 5:41*pm, BradGuth wrote:

On Jul 5, 5:01*am, BradGuth wrote:

In order to put this tidal radius grip or Newtonian binding force into
context, it’s good to draw upon whatever we objectively know to be the
case.

TNOs like Sedna, multiple thousands of SDOs and even a few of the
larger OCOs (Ort Cloud Objects) are no longer hard to find within the
radii of our Oort cloud, that’s reaching way the hell out there at the
tidal radii of 3e16 meters and isn’t exactly going anywhere either,
all because of the weak binding force of gravity (“the Sun's orb of
physical, gravitational, or dynamical influence”).
*http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/astro/tnoslist.html

Considering that we're still managing to hold onto Sedna;
*current (solar system) ~ Sedna/aphelion gravitational attraction:
*2.02e30 and 4.7e21 kg at 1.459e14 m = 2.975e13 N

Whereas Sirius has apparently been holding onto us;
*current (solar system) ~ Sirius gravitational force of attraction:
*2.02e30 and 6.9615e30 kg at 8.1365e16 m = 1.417e17 N

Now try to imagine whatever else the Sirius star/solar system of 3.5
solar masses is quite capable of holding onto, not to mention as of
prior to Sirius B becoming a white dwarf, and of not too long before
then of whatever the original molecular cloud of 1.25e7 solar masses
has to say (even at 500 ly it’s a worthy pull or attractive force of
1.528e20 N).

As is, that 1.417e17 N worth of the Sirius tidal radii holding force
represents a 4763:1 greater grip than we have on Sedna. Of course you
can always trust the obfuscation from our resident newsgroup rabbi, or
you can always do the math yourself, or perhaps simply use one of the
following:
*Gravity Force of Attraction (orbital tidal radius force)
*http://www.1728.com/gravity.htm
*http://www.wsanford.com/~wsanford/ca...alculator.html

Not to further nitpick, however there’s 2005-VX3 / damocloid(asteroid)
of 112 km diameter and perhaps worth at most 1.47e18 kg that’s hanging
all the way out to 2275.5 AU (3.404e14 m) that’s worth merely 1..709e9
N, and even it’s not going away from our solar system tidal radius.
That’s a Sirius/XV3 ratio of nearly 83e6:1 greater tidal radii hold on
us, not to mention that we seem to be headed back towards Sirius at
7.6 km/s and unavoidably accelerating.

In other words, we unavoidably became a Newtonian orbiting part of
that same Sirius molecular cloud, and having remained associated with
the Sirius star/solar system ever since. The 99.999% remains of that
original molecular cloud which gave birth to Sirius is however nowhere
in sight, which is rather odd in that our instruments having imaged
the remains of similar or far less robust clouds at millions of light
years away, suggesting that the Sirius B helium flashover may have
actually been more like a sustained supernovae that directly affected
our terrestrial environment and having triggered our most recent
genetic mutations.

Is there any further question, as to how much our solar system has
been under the gravitational radii dominance of the Sirius star/solar
system, such as for the past 200~300 millions years?

In order to put this tidal radius grip or Newtonian binding force into
proper context, it’s good to draw upon whatever we objectively know to
be the case.

TNOs like Sedna, multiple thousands of SDOs and even a few of the
larger OCOs (Ort Cloud Objects) are no longer hard to find within the
radii of our Oort cloud, that’s reaching way the hell out there at the
tidal radii of 3e16 meters and isn’t exactly going anywhere either,
all because of the weak binding force of gravity (“the Sun's orb of
physical, gravitational, or dynamical influence”).
*http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/astro/tnoslist.html

Considering that we're still managing to hold onto Sedna;
*current (solar system) ~ Sedna/aphelion gravitational attraction:
*2.02e30 and 4.7e21 kg at 1.459e14 m = 2.975e13 N

Whereas Sirius has apparently been holding onto us;
*current (solar system) ~ Sirius gravitational force of attraction:
*2.02e30 and 6.9615e30 kg at 8.1365e16 m = 1.417e17 N

Now try to imagine whatever else the Sirius star/solar system of 3.5
solar masses is quite capable of holding onto, not to mention as of
prior to Sirius B becoming a white dwarf, and of not too long before
then of whatever the original molecular cloud of 1.25e7 solar masses
has to say (even at 500 ly it’s a worthy pull or attractive force of
1.528e20 N).

As is, that 1.417e17 N worth of the Sirius tidal radii holding force
represents a 4763:1 greater grip than we have on Sedna. Of course you
can always trust the obfuscation from our resident newsgroup rabbi, or
you can always do the math yourself, or perhaps simply use one of the
following:
*Gravity Force of Attraction (orbital tidal radius force)
*http://www.1728.com/gravity.htm
*http://www.wsanford.com/~wsanford/ca...alculator.html

Not to further nitpick, however there’s 2005-VX3 / damocloid(asteroid)
of 112 km diameter and perhaps worth at most 1.47e18 kg that’s hanging
all the way out to 2275.5 AU (3.404e14 m) that’s worth merely 1..709e9
N, and even it’s not going away from our solar system tidal radius.
That’s a Sirius/XV3 ratio of nearly 83e6:1 greater tidal radii hold on
us, not to mention that we seem to be headed back towards Sirius at
7.6 km/s and unavoidably accelerating.

In other words, we unavoidably became a Newtonian orbiting part of
that same Sirius molecular cloud, and having remained associated with
the Sirius star/solar system ever since. The 99.999% remains of that
original molecular cloud which gave birth to Sirius is however nowhere
in sight, which is rather odd in that our instruments having imaged
the remains of similar or far less robust clouds at millions of light
years away, suggesting that the Sirius B helium flashover may have
actually been more like a sustained supernovae that directly affected
our terrestrial environment and having triggered our most recent
genetic mutations.

As I've said before, you do not have to take my word on this, because
the laws of physics and the Newtonian force of gravity are entirely in
charge of this one. *Only a religious faith that systematically
excludes such matters of fact can manage to keep a straight face as
they publicly obfuscate and otherwise remain in denial.

*~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

Why should we be so deathly afraid of learning the best available
truths pertaining to the what and how we are a part of a much bigger
cosmic picture?

*~ BG

When will you stop beating this dead horse?

Double-A

In other words, you're afraid of the cold hard and irrefutable facts
that has our solar system clearly under the Newtonian tidal radii
influence of Sirius.

When will you and so many others of your pretend-Atheist kind stop
being so deathly afraid of this old but sturdy horse that you insist
upon killing?

*~ BG

There are 8 other stars closer to us than Sirius. *How do they fit
into this gravitational influence?

Double-A

Once knowing their mass and distance, it's a simple matter of running
those numbers.

Gravity Force of Attraction (orbital tidal radius force)
http://www.1728.com/gravity.htm
http://www.wsanford.com/~wsanford/ca...alculator.html

Public funded supercomputer simulators of 3D interactive stellar
motions should be doing this for us.

~ BG