Black hole being born?

What do the BH-deniers make of this story?


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4537905.stm

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Astronomers are poring over images of a distant galaxy for what may be
evidence of the birth of a black hole.

On Monday, the US space agency's (Nasa) Swift satellite detected a brief
burst of gamma-rays - high energy radiation - originating from deep
space.

Within a minute, Swift was homing in on the burst to be followed by
dozens of the world's most powerful telescopes.

It could be due to two neutron stars merging or a collision between a
neutron star and black hole.

"It's incredibly exciting. It's what we've been waiting for for years,"
Professor Josh Bloom, of the University of California, US, told the BBC
News website.
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What do the BH-deniers make of this story?


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4537905.stm

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Astronomers are poring over images of a distant galaxy for what may be
evidence of the birth of a black hole.

*may be* is the right word because is always uncertain what we see about
distant galaxies...

On Monday, the US space agency's (Nasa) Swift satellite detected a brief
burst of gamma-rays - high energy radiation - originating from deep
space.

Within a minute, Swift was homing in on the burst to be followed by
dozens of the world's most powerful telescopes.

It could be due to two neutron stars merging or a collision between a
neutron star and black hole.

*or* is very important... we detected a collision of two ultramassive
objects, what they're really are it's difficult to say...

Luigi Caselli

Hi Mareo Thanks for bringing that into the discussion. You can see
right away conservative thinkers like luigi are shooting the thought
that black holes might be the best thinking. They have to be hit on the
head with a black hole to make them see reality Their reality goes back
400 years ago They think gamma ray detectors are blind,and only they
can interpret what is happening. The more you listen to their weak
arguments the more you will see I'm right. Bert

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Hi Mareo Thanks for bringing that into the discussion. You can see
right away conservative thinkers like luigi are shooting the thought
that black holes might be the best thinking. They have to be hit on the
head with a black hole to make them see reality Their reality goes back
400 years ago They think gamma ray detectors are blind,and only they
can interpret what is happening. The more you listen to their weak
arguments the more you will see I'm right. Bert

Do you think a gravastar with Einstein-Bose fluid as surface is a
conservative thinking?
Mottola and Mazur said also that our entire universe could be the internal
of a gigantic gravastar... and this seems to me much less conservative than
BH.
This theory is not 400 years ago, it's 2 years ago, much modern thinking
than BH theory...

In short terms I'm sure that in our universe there are supermassive objects
that in their collisions produce gamma ray bursts...
I'm not sure they're Black Holes, I could say 50% they're BH and 50% are
only supercompressed objects...

How can you be so sure that they're black holes, without any doubt at all,
it's for me much weird of BH existence itself...

Do you have to be hit on your head by a gravastar to have just a
0,0000000000000001% of doubt?

Luigi Caselli

Hi luigi I like Hubble's great pictures. I like actually seeing a large
bright Sun like star revolving around an invisible object,and this
object has to have more mass than the star. I like looking at
the bright central bulge of Adromeda that Hubble brings up close to
study. Luigi I know your thinking is open enough for black
holes.(yes?) Your problem is them having a singularity to create
another universe inside a universe.(yes?) Let me put it to you this
way. There will never be a bible with the word singularity in it.
Bert

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Hi luigi I like Hubble's great pictures. I like actually seeing a large
bright Sun like star revolving around an invisible object,and this
object has to have more mass than the star. I like looking at
the bright central bulge of Adromeda that Hubble brings up close to
study. Luigi I know your thinking is open enough for black
holes.(yes?) Your problem is them having a singularity to create
another universe inside a universe.(yes?)

Yes to all the two questions...

Luigi Caselli