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February 25th 05, 10:27 AM
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wrote in message ups.com... Below is two posting of mine which was lost due sci.physics.research was also in my posting list. Fortunately moderator sent these unique copies to me back. 1. About H-M's pregeometry of the photon in contracting Universe 2. Charge Please take a look. Why? [snip] -- Franz "The great tragedy of science -- the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact." T.H. Huxley 
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February 25th 05, 01:57 PM
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In message , Franz Heymann
writes wrote in message oups.com... Below is two posting of mine which was lost due sci.physics.research was also in my posting list. Fortunately moderator sent these unique copies to me back. 1. About H-M's pregeometry of the photon in contracting Universe 2. Charge Please take a look. Why? Maybe you don't remember Hanno and his daughter H-M? "Hanno Poropudas (Wanna see gifs of my daughter's theories?): Posts theories about space potatoes, made up of combinations of positive- and negative-matter neutrinos, in sevens, to the sci.* hierarchy (sci.physics). Somewhat entertaining. .... lost more credibility when he revealed that the official-looking name he kept referencing was in actuality his wee daughter, to whom much of this information had come in the form of dreams, and who gives him further leads in the form of crayoned drawings." http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/~ingvar/leg...html#poropudas -- Richard Herring
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February 25th 05, 10:40 PM
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"Richard Herring" ] wrote in message ... In message , Franz Heymann writes wrote in message oups.com... Below is two posting of mine which was lost due sci.physics.research was also in my posting list. Fortunately moderator sent these unique copies to me back. 1. About H-M's pregeometry of the photon in contracting Universe 2. Charge Please take a look. Why? Maybe you don't remember Hanno and his daughter H-M? "Hanno Poropudas (Wanna see gifs of my daughter's theories?): Posts theories about space potatoes, made up of combinations of positive- and negative-matter neutrinos, in sevens, to the sci.* hierarchy (sci.physics). Somewhat entertaining. ... lost more credibility when he revealed that the official-looking name he kept referencing was in actuality his wee daughter, to whom much of this information had come in the form of dreams, and who gives him further leads in the form of crayoned drawings." http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/~ingvar/leg...html#poropudas Thanks for the reminder. I spent a while laughing at the URL. {:-)) -- Franz "The great tragedy of science -- the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact." T.H. Huxley
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February 26th 05, 09:52 AM
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Franz Heymann wrote: "Richard Herring" ] wrote in message ... In message , Franz Heymann writes wrote in message oups.com... Below is two posting of mine which was lost due sci.physics.research was also in my posting list. Fortunately moderator sent these unique copies to me back. 1. About H-M's pregeometry of the photon in contracting Universe 2. Charge Please take a look. Why? Maybe you don't remember Hanno and his daughter H-M? "Hanno Poropudas (Wanna see gifs of my daughter's theories?): Posts theories about space potatoes, made up of combinations of positive- and negative-matter neutrinos, in sevens, to the sci.* hierarchy (sci.physics). Somewhat entertaining. ... lost more credibility when he revealed that the official-looking name he kept referencing was in actuality his wee daughter, to whom much of this information had come in the form of dreams, and who gives him further leads in the form of crayoned drawings." http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/~ingvar/leg...html#poropudas Thanks for the reminder. I spent a while laughing at the URL. {:-)) Those above mentioned legends makers have made very much harm to physics knowledge with their unbusinesslike writings. And then I would like to remind you that H-M was only 5 years old baby when she draw her first drawings. -- Franz "The great tragedy of science -- the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact." T.H. Huxley
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June 2nd 05, 11:42 AM
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Below is second posting due no comments was given
in sci.optics and sci.physics.particle newsgroups. Hannu From: Newsgroups: sci.optics,sci.physics.particle Subject: About H-M's pregeometry of the photon in contracting Universe and ' Charge' Date: 9 Mar 2005 00:23:52 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 346 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.231.140.219 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1110356637 30072 127.0.0.1 (9 Mar 2005 08:23:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 08:23:57 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: Injection-Info: l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=130.231.140.219; posting-account=KcV1Uw0AAADA_SUhHtf2s5c47zQYRxgl Hi, Below my article due no proper conversation was done in news groups previously posted. I have in vain tried to have businesslike discussions with scientists about H-M's drawings about 13 years now (from the year 1992). I'am searching applications of this new knowledge and I would hope proper businesslike conversations about these H-M's drawings. She drew her first drawings when she was only 5 years old (in 1992)!!! This is why and due these photon drawings are such that no human could know them and thus I believe that her knowledge originates from some kind of unknown 'cosmic memory' given her by God due I don't understand how this is otherwise possible. I have understood also that when children like H-M grows old they forget everything about this kind of knowledge from 'cosmic memory' (as I call it). Due these drawings and my explanations about them I have suggested Nobel Prize of physics to H-M due her superior knowledge about the Universe and elementary particles. Hannu From: Newsgroups: sci.physics.particle,sci.physics,sci.astro Subject: About H-M's pregeometry of the photon in contracting Universe and ' Charge' Date: 25 Feb 2005 00:00:27 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 290 Message-ID: . com NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.231.140.130 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1109318432 20896 127.0.0.1 (25 Feb 2005 08:00:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:00:32 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: Injection-Info: o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=130.231.140.130; posting-account=KcV1Uw0AAADA_SUhHtf2s5c47zQYRxgl Below is two posting of mine which was lost due sci.physics.research was also in my posting list. Fortunately moderator sent these unique copies to me back. 1. About H-M's pregeometry of the photon in contracting Universe 2. Charge Please take a look. Hannu 1. From: " 22-FEB-2005 12:39:24.37 To: CC: Subj: About H-M's pregeometry of the photon in contracting Universe If we would get to know somehow the pregeometric structure of the photon (alhough our present physics says it is structureless) then I would like to discuss possible use of such knowledge (where we could use this knowledge ? or what applications it would have ?) About two H-M's drawings about the photon in contracting part of the Universe: ftp://ftp.funet.fi/.m/pub/doc/misc/HannuPoropudas/ Hanna-Maria-drawing-9.gif Hanna-Maria-drawing-16.gif First H-M's photon drawing represent a "bundle of 'right' neutrinos and corresponding 'right' 'small' neutrinos" when they are binded together with six pregeometric "colour electricity light particles" in contracting part of the Universe(not visible to us) which has two different kind of color electricity as I have understood. These 'right' neutrinos act as "color electricity magnetic monopoles" when they are binded like this. Neutrinos have pregeometric "color signal periphery" and corresponding "color electricity spot" in center of them (maybe this is somekind of suction spot (somekind of "back-hole" with respect to pregeometric "color electricity signals") like electron have in one H-M's drawing, I don't know, and this is why I think the possibility that it could have something to do with our familiar electric field). Certain pregeometric "color electricity colors" forms couplets in this bundle as I have explained in README.all README.MID README.see (summaries of my articles in the same directory.) This signal periphery size is oscillating. I don't know what this could represent. I have also understood that neutrinos act as "color electricity magnetic monopoles" when binded like this in photon. I don't know could this neutrino's 'signal periphery' be related somehow to our familiar magnetic field. Second H-M's drawing represent six color electricity colors and two orthogonal color electricity colors of the photon (maybe this represents also photon in contracting Universe). (six color segments inside the circle and one color (circulating???) outside this circle and second color in center of the circle) Maybe this represent some symmetry group of these pregeometric "color electricity interactions" I don't myself understand this very well. Maybe question is six pregeometric "color electricity light particles" which transfers "messages" between "color electricity magnetic monopoles" ? Maybe two orthogonal colors represent two different types of "color electricity" which exist in contracting part of the Universe I don't know ? Application to the photon in expanding part of the Universe (our visible Universe): I have understood from above also that the photon could be a "bundle of 'wrong' neutrinos" when they are binded with (six ??? ******) pregeometric "color electricity light particles" in expanding part of the Universe (our visible Universe). And when binded these 'wrong' neutrinos act as "color electricity magnetic monopoles" ??? Would this be some new interaction if true ??? What kind of symmetry group would we now have I don't know (our present physics says it is U(1)) ??? I hope discussions about possible applications of above and H-M's drawings and my summaries to our photon and also to present physics or should we wait tens of thousands of years untill our physics would be at H-M's level ? Best Regards, Hannu Poropudas Vesaisentie 9E 90900 Kiiminki Finland ================== RFC 822 Headers ================== Return-Path: Received: from irje.ucar.edu (128.117.15.5) by gladia.robots.multivax.de (V5.3-18G, OpenVMS V7.3-1 Alpha); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:39:07 +0200 (MET) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by irje.ucar.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id EAA29454 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:39:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from mscan3.ucar.edu (mscan3.ucar.edu [128.117.64.125]) by irje.ucar.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA29451 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:39:14 -0700 (MST) Received: by mscan3.ucar.edu (Postfix) id 3FD39DABED; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:39:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mscan3.ucar.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 354B1DAB81 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:39:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from horus.isnic.is (horus.isnic.is [193.4.58.12]) by mscan3.ucar.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20A6DDAB81 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:39:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from proxy.google.com (proxy.google.com [216.239.37.5]) by horus.isnic.is (8.12.9p2/8.12.9/isnic) with ESMTP id j1MBdAuC073331 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:39:11 GMT (envelope-from ) Received: from G081002 by proxy.google.com with ESMTP id j1MBd5nJ019481 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 03:39:05 -0800 Received: (from news@localhost) by Google Production with id j1MBd5Ot006532 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 03:39:05 -0800 To: Path: f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: sci.physics.particle,sci.physics,sci.astro,sci.phy sics.research Subject: About H-M's pregeometry of the photon in contracting Universe Date: 22 Feb 2005 03:39:01 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 94 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.231.140.219 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1109072345 6531 127.0.0.1 (22 Feb 2005 11:39:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:39:05 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: Injection-Info: f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=130.231.140.219; posting-account=KcV1Uw0AAADA_SUhHtf2s5c47zQYRxgl 2. From: " 22-FEB-2005 15:49:40.12 To: CC: Subj: Charge wrote: One of the most fundamental concepts in science drives me insane: charge. What exactly is a charge? Has anyone been able to visually describe a charge? Why do different fundamental particles have different charges? Are they emitting some kind of force that interacts with another force in some way? It's frustrating. I'am not sure did I understood H-M's electron and leptons drawings right, but I understood it so that electron's charge for example is pregeometric 'suction spot' on sphere surface formed by circulating pregeometric 'color electricity color'. This 'suction spot' on the sphere surface is a kind of 'black-hole' with respect to 'color electricity signals' which leads to center of this sphere. (and also from center of the sphere to the center of the whole space, this is how electron for example is tied to to the geometry of the Universe as I have understood (anchored object, this makes perhaps also electron's spin understandable, rotation of 720 degrees is needed for spin = 1/2 particle and rotation of 360 degrees is not enough for returning the particle to its original position). Hannu References: H-M's drawings (electron and leptons drawings are not stored in this ftp) and my summaries (contais explanations also about these missing drawings) about them README.all README.MID README.see ftp://ftp.funet.fi/.m/pub/doc/misc/HannuPoropudas/ ================== RFC 822 Headers ================== Return-Path: Received: from irje.ucar.edu (128.117.15.5) by gladia.robots.multivax.de (V5.3-18G, OpenVMS V7.3-1 Alpha); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:49:25 +0200 (MET) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by irje.ucar.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id HAA06627 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:49:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from mscan2.ucar.edu (mscan2.ucar.edu [128.117.64.124]) by irje.ucar.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA06624 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:49:33 -0700 (MST) Received: by mscan2.ucar.edu (Postfix) id 62A0B1180C1; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:49:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mscan2.ucar.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56E681180BF for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:49:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailbox4.ucsd.edu (mailbox4.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.56]) by mscan2.ucar.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FA131180BF for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:49:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from proxy.google.com (proxy.google.com [216.239.37.5]) by mailbox4.ucsd.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MEnIhY073237 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:49:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from G018037 by proxy.google.com with ESMTP id j1MEnIU5029212 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:49:18 -0800 Received: (from news@localhost) by Google Production with id j1MEnI8a005421 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:49:18 -0800 To: Path: o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: sci.physics.particle,sci.astro,sci.physics,sci.phy sics.research Subject: Charge Date: 22 Feb 2005 06:49:14 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 47 Message-ID: .com References: . com NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.50.138.201 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1109083758 5420 127.0.0.1 (22 Feb 2005 14:49:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:49:18 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: Injection-Info: o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=212.50.138.201; posting-account=KcV1Uw0AAADA_SUhHtf2s5c47zQYRxgl X-Greylisting: NO DELAY (Relay+Sender accepted); processed by UCSD_GL-v1.1 on mailbox4.ucsd.edu; Tue, 22 February 2005 14:49:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Spamscanner: mailbox4.ucsd.edu (v1.5 Dec 3 2004 17:34:44, -2.6/5.0 3.0.0) X-Spam-Level: Level X-MailScanner: PASSED (v1.2.8 60871 j1MEnIhY073237 mailbox4.ucsd.edu)
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H-M's drawing about pregeometry of photon in contracting Universe
seems to me be compatible also with structure of exotic "space-potato" particle (about which there are also drawings in the same directory and explanations also in three mentioned text files , some essential part only in finnish text). Drawings seems to be also comptible about GRB phenomena (Gamma Ray Bursts) as I explained also in those text files. It is strange how photon from contracting part of the Universe and photon from expanding part of the Universe (our visible side) could from such structure ("space-potato"). I forget to mention that files README.all README.MID README.see (summaries of my articles in the same directory.) in ftp://ftp.funet.fi/.m/pub/doc/misc/HannuPoropudas/ are ordinary text-files and they are readable with aid of notepad editor program or in DOS-level they are readable with ordinary edit command (DOS-command). Scanned pictures Hanna-Maria-drawing-9.gif Hanna-Maria-drawing-16.gif are readable with aid of PhotoShop-program (pictures are .gif format). Please take a look !!! Hannu wrote: Below is second posting due no comments was given in sci.optics and sci.physics.particle newsgroups. Hannu From: Newsgroups: sci.optics,sci.physics.particle Subject: About H-M's pregeometry of the photon in contracting Universe and ' Charge' Date: 9 Mar 2005 00:23:52 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 346 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.231.140.219 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1110356637 30072 127.0.0.1 (9 Mar 2005 08:23:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 08:23:57 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: Injection-Info: l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=130.231.140.219; posting-account=KcV1Uw0AAADA_SUhHtf2s5c47zQYRxgl Hi, Below my article due no proper conversation was done in news groups previously posted. I have in vain tried to have businesslike discussions with scientists about H-M's drawings about 13 years now (from the year 1992). I'am searching applications of this new knowledge and I would hope proper businesslike conversations about these H-M's drawings. She drew her first drawings when she was only 5 years old (in 1992)!!! This is why and due these photon drawings are such that no human could know them and thus I believe that her knowledge originates from some kind of unknown 'cosmic memory' given her by God due I don't understand how this is otherwise possible. I have understood also that when children like H-M grows old they forget everything about this kind of knowledge from 'cosmic memory' (as I call it). Due these drawings and my explanations about them I have suggested Nobel Prize of physics to H-M due her superior knowledge about the Universe and elementary particles. Hannu From: Newsgroups: sci.physics.particle,sci.physics,sci.astro Subject: About H-M's pregeometry of the photon in contracting Universe and ' Charge' Date: 25 Feb 2005 00:00:27 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 290 Message-ID: . com NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.231.140.130 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1109318432 20896 127.0.0.1 (25 Feb 2005 08:00:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:00:32 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: Injection-Info: o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=130.231.140.130; posting-account=KcV1Uw0AAADA_SUhHtf2s5c47zQYRxgl Below is two posting of mine which was lost due sci.physics.research was also in my posting list. Fortunately moderator sent these unique copies to me back. 1. About H-M's pregeometry of the photon in contracting Universe 2. Charge Please take a look. Hannu 1. From: " 22-FEB-2005 12:39:24.37 To: CC: Subj: About H-M's pregeometry of the photon in contracting Universe If we would get to know somehow the pregeometric structure of the photon (alhough our present physics says it is structureless) then I would like to discuss possible use of such knowledge (where we could use this knowledge ? or what applications it would have ?) About two H-M's drawings about the photon in contracting part of the Universe: ftp://ftp.funet.fi/.m/pub/doc/misc/HannuPoropudas/ Hanna-Maria-drawing-9.gif Hanna-Maria-drawing-16.gif First H-M's photon drawing represent a "bundle of 'right' neutrinos and corresponding 'right' 'small' neutrinos" when they are binded together with six pregeometric "colour electricity light particles" in contracting part of the Universe(not visible to us) which has two different kind of color electricity as I have understood. These 'right' neutrinos act as "color electricity magnetic monopoles" when they are binded like this. Neutrinos have pregeometric "color signal periphery" and corresponding "color electricity spot" in center of them (maybe this is somekind of suction spot (somekind of "back-hole" with respect to pregeometric "color electricity signals") like electron have in one H-M's drawing, I don't know, and this is why I think the possibility that it could have something to do with our familiar electric field). Certain pregeometric "color electricity colors" forms couplets in this bundle as I have explained in README.all README.MID README.see (summaries of my articles in the same directory.) This signal periphery size is oscillating. I don't know what this could represent. I have also understood that neutrinos act as "color electricity magnetic monopoles" when binded like this in photon. I don't know could this neutrino's 'signal periphery' be related somehow to our familiar magnetic field. Second H-M's drawing represent six color electricity colors and two orthogonal color electricity colors of the photon (maybe this represents also photon in contracting Universe). (six color segments inside the circle and one color (circulating???) outside this circle and second color in center of the circle) Maybe this represent some symmetry group of these pregeometric "color electricity interactions" I don't myself understand this very well. Maybe question is six pregeometric "color electricity light particles" which transfers "messages" between "color electricity magnetic monopoles" ? Maybe two orthogonal colors represent two different types of "color electricity" which exist in contracting part of the Universe I don't know ? Application to the photon in expanding part of the Universe (our visible Universe): I have understood from above also that the photon could be a "bundle of 'wrong' neutrinos" when they are binded with (six ??? ******) pregeometric "color electricity light particles" in expanding part of the Universe (our visible Universe). And when binded these 'wrong' neutrinos act as "color electricity magnetic monopoles" ??? Would this be some new interaction if true ??? What kind of symmetry group would we now have I don't know (our present physics says it is U(1)) ??? I hope discussions about possible applications of above and H-M's drawings and my summaries to our photon and also to present physics or should we wait tens of thousands of years untill our physics would be at H-M's level ? Best Regards, Hannu Poropudas Vesaisentie 9E 90900 Kiiminki Finland ================== RFC 822 Headers ================== Return-Path: Received: from irje.ucar.edu (128.117.15.5) by gladia.robots.multivax.de (V5.3-18G, OpenVMS V7.3-1 Alpha); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:39:07 +0200 (MET) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by irje.ucar.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id EAA29454 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:39:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from mscan3.ucar.edu (mscan3.ucar.edu [128.117.64.125]) by irje.ucar.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA29451 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:39:14 -0700 (MST) Received: by mscan3.ucar.edu (Postfix) id 3FD39DABED; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:39:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mscan3.ucar.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 354B1DAB81 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:39:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from horus.isnic.is (horus.isnic.is [193.4.58.12]) by mscan3.ucar.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20A6DDAB81 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:39:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from proxy.google.com (proxy.google.com [216.239.37.5]) by horus.isnic.is (8.12.9p2/8.12.9/isnic) with ESMTP id j1MBdAuC073331 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:39:11 GMT (envelope-from ) Received: from G081002 by proxy.google.com with ESMTP id j1MBd5nJ019481 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 03:39:05 -0800 Received: (from news@localhost) by Google Production with id j1MBd5Ot006532 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 03:39:05 -0800 To: Path: f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: sci.physics.particle,sci.physics,sci.astro,sci.phy sics.research Subject: About H-M's pregeometry of the photon in contracting Universe Date: 22 Feb 2005 03:39:01 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 94 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.231.140.219 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1109072345 6531 127.0.0.1 (22 Feb 2005 11:39:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:39:05 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: Injection-Info: f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=130.231.140.219; posting-account=KcV1Uw0AAADA_SUhHtf2s5c47zQYRxgl 2. From: " 22-FEB-2005 15:49:40.12 To: CC: Subj: Charge wrote: One of the most fundamental concepts in science drives me insane: charge. What exactly is a charge? Has anyone been able to visually describe a charge? Why do different fundamental particles have different charges? Are they emitting some kind of force that interacts with another force in some way? It's frustrating. I'am not sure did I understood H-M's electron and leptons drawings right, but I understood it so that electron's charge for example is pregeometric 'suction spot' on sphere surface formed by circulating pregeometric 'color electricity color'. This 'suction spot' on the sphere surface is a kind of 'black-hole' with respect to 'color electricity signals' which leads to center of this sphere. (and also from center of the sphere to the center of the whole space, this is how electron for example is tied to to the geometry of the Universe as I have understood (anchored object, this makes perhaps also electron's spin understandable, rotation of 720 degrees is needed for spin = 1/2 particle and rotation of 360 degrees is not enough for returning the particle to its original position). Hannu References: H-M's drawings (electron and leptons drawings are not stored in this ftp) and my summaries (contais explanations also about these missing drawings) about them README.all README.MID README.see ftp://ftp.funet.fi/.m/pub/doc/misc/HannuPoropudas/ ================== RFC 822 Headers ================== Return-Path: Received: from irje.ucar.edu (128.117.15.5) by gladia.robots.multivax.de (V5.3-18G, OpenVMS V7.3-1 Alpha); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:49:25 +0200 (MET) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by irje.ucar.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id HAA06627 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:49:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from mscan2.ucar.edu (mscan2.ucar.edu [128.117.64.124]) by irje.ucar.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA06624 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:49:33 -0700 (MST) Received: by mscan2.ucar.edu (Postfix) id 62A0B1180C1; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:49:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mscan2.ucar.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56E681180BF for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:49:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailbox4.ucsd.edu (mailbox4.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.56]) by mscan2.ucar.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FA131180BF for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:49:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from proxy.google.com (proxy.google.com [216.239.37.5]) by mailbox4.ucsd.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MEnIhY073237 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:49:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from G018037 by proxy.google.com with ESMTP id j1MEnIU5029212 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:49:18 -0800 Received: (from news@localhost) by Google Production with id j1MEnI8a005421 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:49:18 -0800 To: Path: o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: sci.physics.particle,sci.astro,sci.physics,sci.phy sics.research Subject: Charge Date: 22 Feb 2005 06:49:14 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 47 Message-ID: .com References: . com NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.50.138.201 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1109083758 5420 127.0.0.1 (22 Feb 2005 14:49:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:49:18 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: Injection-Info: o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=212.50.138.201; posting-account=KcV1Uw0AAADA_SUhHtf2s5c47zQYRxgl X-Greylisting: NO DELAY (Relay+Sender accepted); processed by UCSD_GL-v1.1 on mailbox4.ucsd.edu; Tue, 22 February 2005 14:49:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Spamscanner: mailbox4.ucsd.edu (v1.5 Dec 3 2004 17:34:44, -2.6/5.0 3.0.0) X-Spam-Level: Level X-MailScanner: PASSED (v1.2.8 60871 j1MEnIhY073237 mailbox4.ucsd.edu)
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wrote: H-M's drawing about pregeometry of photon in contracting Universe seems to me be compatible also with structure of exotic "space-potato" particle (about which there are also drawings in the same directory and explanations also in three mentioned text files , some essential part only in finnish text). Scanned drawing about "space-potato" (this is drawn on the right hand side / lower side of the drawing, bigger drawing is structure of galaxy's nucleus [this is "diamond" and it is also called "neutrino star" ] and its surrounding "radiation peripheries" [detail structure of "radiation periphery" is "space potato"] )is: Hanna-Maria-drawing-6.123.gif Please take a look !!! Hannu Drawings seems to be also comptible about GRB phenomena (Gamma Ray Bursts) as I explained also in those text files. It is strange how photon from contracting part of the Universe and photon from expanding part of the Universe (our visible side) could from such structure ("space-potato"). If my interpretation of photon in this structure is right. I forget to mention that files README.all README.MID README.see (summaries of my articles in the same directory.) in ftp://ftp.funet.fi/.m/pub/doc/misc/HannuPoropudas/ are ordinary text-files and they are readable with aid of notepad editor program or in DOS-level they are readable with ordinary edit command (DOS-command). Scanned pictures Hanna-Maria-drawing-9.gif Hanna-Maria-drawing-16.gif are readable with aid of PhotoShop-program (pictures are .gif format). Please take a look !!! Hannu wrote: Below is second posting due no comments was given in sci.optics and sci.physics.particle newsgroups. Hannu From: Newsgroups: sci.optics,sci.physics.particle Subject: About H-M's pregeometry of the photon in contracting Universe and ' Charge' Date: 9 Mar 2005 00:23:52 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 346 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.231.140.219 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1110356637 30072 127.0.0.1 (9 Mar 2005 08:23:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 08:23:57 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: Injection-Info: l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=130.231.140.219; posting-account=KcV1Uw0AAADA_SUhHtf2s5c47zQYRxgl Hi, Below my article due no proper conversation was done in news groups previously posted. I have in vain tried to have businesslike discussions with scientists about H-M's drawings about 13 years now (from the year 1992). I'am searching applications of this new knowledge and I would hope proper businesslike conversations about these H-M's drawings. She drew her first drawings when she was only 5 years old (in 1992)!!! This is why and due these photon drawings are such that no human could know them and thus I believe that her knowledge originates from some kind of unknown 'cosmic memory' given her by God due I don't understand how this is otherwise possible. I have understood also that when children like H-M grows old they forget everything about this kind of knowledge from 'cosmic memory' (as I call it). Due these drawings and my explanations about them I have suggested Nobel Prize of physics to H-M due her superior knowledge about the Universe and elementary particles. Hannu From: Newsgroups: sci.physics.particle,sci.physics,sci.astro Subject: About H-M's pregeometry of the photon in contracting Universe and ' Charge' Date: 25 Feb 2005 00:00:27 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 290 Message-ID: . com NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.231.140.130 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1109318432 20896 127.0.0.1 (25 Feb 2005 08:00:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:00:32 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: Injection-Info: o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=130.231.140.130; posting-account=KcV1Uw0AAADA_SUhHtf2s5c47zQYRxgl Below is two posting of mine which was lost due sci.physics.research was also in my posting list. Fortunately moderator sent these unique copies to me back. 1. About H-M's pregeometry of the photon in contracting Universe 2. Charge Please take a look. Hannu 1. From: " 22-FEB-2005 12:39:24.37 To: CC: Subj: About H-M's pregeometry of the photon in contracting Universe If we would get to know somehow the pregeometric structure of the photon (alhough our present physics says it is structureless) then I would like to discuss possible use of such knowledge (where we could use this knowledge ? or what applications it would have ?) About two H-M's drawings about the photon in contracting part of the Universe: ftp://ftp.funet.fi/.m/pub/doc/misc/HannuPoropudas/ Hanna-Maria-drawing-9.gif Hanna-Maria-drawing-16.gif First H-M's photon drawing represent a "bundle of 'right' neutrinos and corresponding 'right' 'small' neutrinos" when they are binded together with six pregeometric "colour electricity light particles" in contracting part of the Universe(not visible to us) which has two different kind of color electricity as I have understood. These 'right' neutrinos act as "color electricity magnetic monopoles" when they are binded like this. Neutrinos have pregeometric "color signal periphery" and corresponding "color electricity spot" in center of them (maybe this is somekind of suction spot (somekind of "back-hole" with respect to pregeometric "color electricity signals") like electron have in one H-M's drawing, I don't know, and this is why I think the possibility that it could have something to do with our familiar electric field). Certain pregeometric "color electricity colors" forms couplets in this bundle as I have explained in README.all README.MID README.see (summaries of my articles in the same directory.) This signal periphery size is oscillating. I don't know what this could represent. I have also understood that neutrinos act as "color electricity magnetic monopoles" when binded like this in photon. I don't know could this neutrino's 'signal periphery' be related somehow to our familiar magnetic field. Second H-M's drawing represent six color electricity colors and two orthogonal color electricity colors of the photon (maybe this represents also photon in contracting Universe). (six color segments inside the circle and one color (circulating???) outside this circle and second color in center of the circle) Maybe this represent some symmetry group of these pregeometric "color electricity interactions" I don't myself understand this very well. Maybe question is six pregeometric "color electricity light particles" which transfers "messages" between "color electricity magnetic monopoles" ? Maybe two orthogonal colors represent two different types of "color electricity" which exist in contracting part of the Universe I don't know ? Application to the photon in expanding part of the Universe (our visible Universe): I have understood from above also that the photon could be a "bundle of 'wrong' neutrinos" when they are binded with (six ??? ******) pregeometric "color electricity light particles" in expanding part of the Universe (our visible Universe). And when binded these 'wrong' neutrinos act as "color electricity magnetic monopoles" ??? Would this be some new interaction if true ??? What kind of symmetry group would we now have I don't know (our present physics says it is U(1)) ??? I hope discussions about possible applications of above and H-M's drawings and my summaries to our photon and also to present physics or should we wait tens of thousands of years untill our physics would be at H-M's level ? Best Regards, Hannu Poropudas Vesaisentie 9E 90900 Kiiminki Finland ================== RFC 822 Headers ================== Return-Path: Received: from irje.ucar.edu (128.117.15.5) by gladia.robots.multivax.de (V5.3-18G, OpenVMS V7.3-1 Alpha); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:39:07 +0200 (MET) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by irje.ucar.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id EAA29454 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:39:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from mscan3.ucar.edu (mscan3.ucar.edu [128.117.64.125]) by irje.ucar.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA29451 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:39:14 -0700 (MST) Received: by mscan3.ucar.edu (Postfix) id 3FD39DABED; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:39:14 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mscan3.ucar.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 354B1DAB81 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:39:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from horus.isnic.is (horus.isnic.is [193.4.58.12]) by mscan3.ucar.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20A6DDAB81 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:39:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from proxy.google.com (proxy.google.com [216.239.37.5]) by horus.isnic.is (8.12.9p2/8.12.9/isnic) with ESMTP id j1MBdAuC073331 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:39:11 GMT (envelope-from ) Received: from G081002 by proxy.google.com with ESMTP id j1MBd5nJ019481 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 03:39:05 -0800 Received: (from news@localhost) by Google Production with id j1MBd5Ot006532 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 03:39:05 -0800 To: Path: f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: sci.physics.particle,sci.physics,sci.astro,sci.phy sics.research Subject: About H-M's pregeometry of the photon in contracting Universe Date: 22 Feb 2005 03:39:01 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 94 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.231.140.219 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1109072345 6531 127.0.0.1 (22 Feb 2005 11:39:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:39:05 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: Injection-Info: f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=130.231.140.219; posting-account=KcV1Uw0AAADA_SUhHtf2s5c47zQYRxgl 2. From: " 22-FEB-2005 15:49:40.12 To: CC: Subj: Charge wrote: One of the most fundamental concepts in science drives me insane: charge. What exactly is a charge? Has anyone been able to visually describe a charge? Why do different fundamental particles have different charges? Are they emitting some kind of force that interacts with another force in some way? It's frustrating. I'am not sure did I understood H-M's electron and leptons drawings right, but I understood it so that electron's charge for example is pregeometric 'suction spot' on sphere surface formed by circulating pregeometric 'color electricity color'. This 'suction spot' on the sphere surface is a kind of 'black-hole' with respect to 'color electricity signals' which leads to center of this sphere. (and also from center of the sphere to the center of the whole space, this is how electron for example is tied to to the geometry of the Universe as I have understood (anchored object, this makes perhaps also electron's spin understandable, rotation of 720 degrees is needed for spin = 1/2 particle and rotation of 360 degrees is not enough for returning the particle to its original position). Hannu References: H-M's drawings (electron and leptons drawings are not stored in this ftp) and my summaries (contais explanations also about these missing drawings) about them README.all README.MID README.see ftp://ftp.funet.fi/.m/pub/doc/misc/HannuPoropudas/ ================== RFC 822 Headers ================== Return-Path: Received: from irje.ucar.edu (128.117.15.5) by gladia.robots.multivax.de (V5.3-18G, OpenVMS V7.3-1 Alpha); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:49:25 +0200 (MET) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by irje.ucar.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id HAA06627 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:49:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from mscan2.ucar.edu (mscan2.ucar.edu [128.117.64.124]) by irje.ucar.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA06624 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:49:33 -0700 (MST) Received: by mscan2.ucar.edu (Postfix) id 62A0B1180C1; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:49:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mscan2.ucar.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56E681180BF for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:49:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailbox4.ucsd.edu (mailbox4.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.56]) by mscan2.ucar.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FA131180BF for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:49:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from proxy.google.com (proxy.google.com [216.239.37.5]) by mailbox4.ucsd.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MEnIhY073237 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:49:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from G018037 by proxy.google.com with ESMTP id j1MEnIU5029212 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:49:18 -0800 Received: (from news@localhost) by Google Production with id j1MEnI8a005421 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:49:18 -0800 To: Path: o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: sci.physics.particle,sci.astro,sci.physics,sci.phy sics.research Subject: Charge Date: 22 Feb 2005 06:49:14 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 47 Message-ID: .com References: . com NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.50.138.201 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1109083758 5420 127.0.0.1 (22 Feb 2005 14:49:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:49:18 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: Injection-Info: o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=212.50.138.201; posting-account=KcV1Uw0AAADA_SUhHtf2s5c47zQYRxgl X-Greylisting: NO DELAY (Relay+Sender accepted); processed by UCSD_GL-v1.1 on mailbox4.ucsd.edu; Tue, 22 February 2005 14:49:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Spamscanner: mailbox4.ucsd.edu (v1.5 Dec 3 2004 17:34:44, -2.6/5.0 3.0.0) X-Spam-Level: Level X-MailScanner: PASSED (v1.2.8 60871 j1MEnIhY073237 mailbox4.ucsd.edu)
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