Roger Pielke Jr. - Geek Extraordinaire

From his bio " understanding the relations of science and politics"

No, in my humble opinion, science and politics have no place together, and
should not be used in the same paragraph, much less the same sentance. But
then I did not get a degree from Colorado, mabey they teach this there.

Science, pure science, (if it still exists), is about following a logical
precept, verifying it with experimental data, and basing further decisions
on the results of said experiments. Not bending the experiments to fit the
precept. In politics, it is all about backing up the idea, regardless of
right or wrong (data wise). As one of my relatives said just before he
resigned his political office said "the party does ask too much, sometimes."

Personally, I despise politics, but realize the need for it. I just never
want to *do* it. It would remind me of those lovely creatures in Le Styx in
Paris. (One of the best brothels in the city of light)

As for a geek, what's wrong with that?

Anyway, that's my 2 cents worth.

"Thomas Lee Elifritz" wrote in message
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Wanna good laugh?

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Check out the shirt. Yet another Bush apologist.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org

Geez, I thought I was the only geeky nerdy policewoman on the beat.
He's not so bad. After all, he's wearing the Uniform de Jour, brown.

Last year I was rudely interrupted while waiting in line the USGS
office by some ghoul wearing a red flannel shirt with the sleeves
hanging down and he could barely speak. But hey, he got there first.

Well dressed women inside of the "Men's Clubhouse" are still not
entirely welcomed. I'm not sure what that's all about, I've only seen
it a few dozen times. Maybe one day I should grab one of them by the
collar and ask them what the hell's going on? I would except I'd have
to reduce myself to their levels and I'm not quite ready to go there
yet.

I think I'll hold for a larger audience and get some news coverage
about when I go for it.

Petra

Wanna good laugh?

http://cires.colorado.edu/people/pielke/

Check out the shirt. Yet another Bush apologist.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org

Thomas Lee Elifritz wrote:
Wanna good laugh?

http://cires.colorado.edu/people/pielke/

Check out the shirt. Yet another Bush apologist.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org

One of the Roger Pielke's (unspecified which one) appeared in a 2002
organized crime gang operati0on in Canada conducted by the notorious
APCO ASSociates. APCO founded TASSC (the A.S.S. Coalition) specifically
to be a general purpose science fraud tool for corporations with public
relations embarrassments about them killing people. Funded by the 3,000
day corporate serial killer Philip Morris, they were quickly joined by
other lung killers of asbestos, coal power, and serious dioxin-emitters
like chlorine-DDT Olin and Monsanto.

The link http://ecosyn.us/adti/Christy/John_Christy_CEI.html provided
has clickable links you ought to familiarize yourself with, and block
out 50 hours to look at the entire history of APCO ASSociates and The
A.S.S. Coalition (TASSC). You ought to be able to identify in sight
names of TASSC career science crime operatives and recite the offenses
and where the evidence is located.

--- Heartland Institute controlled website connects Roger Pielke to a
known TASSC Organized Crime operation, APCO Associates --
http://www.climatesearch.com/newsDetail.cfm?nwsId=54 -- With TASSC
Singer, TASSC Michaels, and TASSC Seitz involvement. APCO created TASSC
as a fraud operation, and still maintains ties with the operative
"whitecoats".

News Conference
Wednesday, November 13, 2002 at 9:00 AM
National Press Club Dining Room
150 Wellington Street, Ottawa

Eight leading scientists and engineers specializing in climate science
and energy will be speaking at the news conference and a total of 20
world experts on climate change will be available for telephone and
one-on-one interviews.

To book post-event interviews with the specialists, or to obtain
further information concerning this watershed event, please contact:

Evan Zelikovitz, Vice President
APCO Worldwide (Canada)
Tom Harris, Associate
APCO Worldwide (Canada)
Climate Specialists speaking at the news conference:

1 - Dr. Tim Patterson - Carleton University professor of earth sciences
(Paleoclimatology specialization).
2 - Dr. Fred Singer, (TASSC) President of The Science & Environmental
Policy Project and Distinguished Research Professor at George Mason
University and Professor Emeritus of environmental science at the
University of Virginia.
3 - Dr. Tim Ball - professor of Climatology, University of Winnipeg and
the first climatology Ph.D. in Canada.
4 - Dr. Madhav L. Khandekar, Environmental consultant. 25 years
Research Scientist from Environment Canada.
5 - Dr. Pat Michaels - (TASSC) CEI Dr. Michaels is a research
professor of environmental sciences at the University of Virginia,
visiting scientist with the Marshall Institute and Senior Fellow in
Environmental Studies at the Cato Institute, both in Washington D.C.
6 - Professor Fred Michel of Carleton University Department of Earth
Sciences

Energy Engineering Specialists:
1 - Dr. J. Terry Rogers, Professor of Mechanical Engineering at
Carleton University. He is currently the Chairman of the Research and
Development Advisory Panel to AECL Board of Directors.
2 - Dr. Howard C. Hayden, Emeritus Professor of Physics, University of
Connecticut.

Not attending news conference but available for phone & email
interviews:
Dr. Roger Pocklington
Dr. Sallie Baliunas CEI
Dr. Willie Soon
Dr. John Christy
Dr. Chris Essex
Dr. Roger Peilke
Dr. William M. Gray
Dr. Fred Seitz (TASSC)
Dr. George Taylor
Dr. Sherwood Idso
Dr. David Wojick, P.E.
Art Robinson of OISM
Dr. Herb I. H. Saravanamuttoo
Dr. Robert Balling
Dr. Ross McKitrick
Dr. Philip Stott

A more extensive list of experts available to be interviewed will be
presented at the news conference on Nov 13.

ClimateChangeDebate.org (David Wojick)
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http://ecosyn.us/adti/Christy/John_Christy_CEI.html

John Christy

Associate of known TASSC science-fraud felons Patrick J. Michaels, and
Steve Milloy, also continuous association with felony fraud organized
crime operation APCO Associates. Court records ordered to be publically
posted online for the nation to see unequivically shows that TASSC was
conceived as a criminal fraud operation by Philip Morris Tobacco and
engaged in a years-long series of public deceptions using compliant
science-hoaxers known as "whitecoats" by the crime masterminds and
moneybags.

Christy uses the "TASSC METHOD" of inserting errors into the public
record, which when caught are reluctantly retracted, but the false
results are quoted endlessly into the future by collaborative
operators. [Background evidence passed through due process in a Federal
Court of Law establishing the criminal fraud nature of TASSC has been
ordered posted online on the internet by the judge so that every
citizen can examine this evidence of fraud for themselves. The trial
ended with $280,000,000,000 settlement by the tobacco paymasters, so
this is hardly a trial which wasn't fought tooth & nail. This is a very
partial listing of evidence. Links: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11,
12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29,
30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, ... Fred Singer Euro-TASSC 276, 277, 278,
279, 280, 281, 282, 283, 284, 285, 286, 287, 288, ... Heidelberg Appeal
304, 305, 306, 307, 308, 309, 310, 311, ... Milloy TASSC 356, 357, 358,
359, 360, 361, 362, ...]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Christy
Satellite temperature record
Christy became famous as early as 1993 [creation of TASSC] for
claiming the global temperature was actually decreasing based on the
"more accurate" satellite data. But others over the years have shown
errors in his interpretation of the data which has slowly and
consistently increased his results. This is in addition to the
improving accuracy of the short data set [4] (it begins in December
1978). In 1997 his testimony to the Committee on Environment and Public
Works pointed out that his (and Dr. Roy Spencer's) data indicated a
decrease in global temperature. Before the same committe in 2001, he
stated it was at an increase that was "a rate less than a third that
observed at the surface" at 0.045 C/decade and it showed "remarkable
consistency between independent measurements [by radiosonde] of these
upper air temperatures". In 2003 before the U.S. House Committee on
Resources he stated his data was "less than half of the warming
observed at the surface." In 2004 his published results showed a 0.08
C/decade increase. A new error in his interpretation of the data found
in 2005 has now increased his results by 60% in only a year to 0.13
C/decade but he still claims "all radiosonde comparisons have been
rerun and the agreement is still exceptionally good" [5] as was claimed
in 2001 when his results were 1/3 as high as now.
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http://mediamatters.org/items/200605190003
Fri, May 19, 2006 10:35am EST
In new global warming special, Fox News interviews scientists with
industry ties, records of misinformation ---------------



Fox News employs Executive Director of TASSC, Steve Milloy.
No reputable and law-abiding organization will have any TASSC fraudster
on their payroll, or quote them, or give them a platform. Christy's
affiliation with organizations employing TASSC fraudsters is beyond
accidental coincidence.

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http://timlambert.org/2005/07/spencer/comment-page-3/
Fri 1 Jul 2005
Significant errors found in global warming study
Posted by Tim Lambert under science

http://timlambert.org/2004/08/gwarming/
Thu 12 Aug 2004
"When my information changes, I change my opinion. What do you do,
Sir?"
Posted by Tim Lambert under science
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FACTSHEET: The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition, TASSC
--- KEY PEOPLE: S. Fred Singer, Science Advisor; Patrick J. Michaels,
Science Advisor; Steven Milloy, Director/Founder of Advancement of
Sound Science Coalition; Frederick Seitz, Science Advisor.
FACTSHEET: The Advancement of Sound Science Center, Inc., TASSC
--- KEY PEOPLE: Steven Milloy, Publisher, JunkScience.con; Bonner
Cohen, Board of Directors.

http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php?id=2
FACTSHEET: Competitive Enterprise Institute, CEI
John Christy Contributing Writer
Steven Milloy Adjunct Analyst (TASSC)
http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/per...eet.php?id=903
FACTSHEET: John Christy
ORGANIZATIONS
--- Competitive Enterprise Institute John Christy, Steven Milloy
(TASSC)
--- Cato Institute KEY PEOPLE: Patrick J. Michaels, Senior Fellow,
Environmental Studies (TASSC); S. Fred Singer, Editorial Advisory Board
(TASSC); Steven Milloy, Adjunct Scholar (TASSC); John Christy,
Conference Speaker; Robert C. Balling Jr., Conference Speaker; Richard
Lindzen, Contributing Writer, Reason Magazine.
--- Independent Institute KEY PEOPLE: David R. Legates, former Research
Fellow; Frederick Seitz, Research Fellow (TASSC); S. Fred Singer,
Research Fellow (TASSC); John Christy, Panel on Global Warming

Graphic of key relationships with John Christy and Competitive
Enterprise Institute and TASSC Fraudsters and other key operatives.
http://www.exxonsecrets.org/index.php?mapid=561



* --- John Christy contributed to a book by CEI-TASSC Fraudster
Patrick J. Michaels. http://snipurl.com/qtrm Google Results about 77
for "John Christy" Shattered Consensus : The True State of Global
Warming.
* Table of contents for Shattered consensus : the true state of
global warming / edited by Patrick J. Michaels.
* --- John Christy is used on the book cover and sales pitch for a
book published by Competitive Enterprise Institute, authored by Ronald
Bailey (CEI Adjunct Analyst), Global Warming and Other Eco Myths: How
the Environmental Movement Uses False Science to Scare Us to Death
* --- Google has 120 links to CEI.org website using John Christy's
"erroneous data", and has not corrected them or retracted them.
http://snipurl.com/qtt0 Google Results about 120 from www.cei.org for
"John Christy" "Patrick J. Michaels" | "Competitive Enterprise
Institute".
* --- John Christy is used on the book cover and sales pitch for a
book published by Cato Institute, authored by Cato-CEI-TASSC Fraudster
Patrick J. Michaels. Meltdown : The Predictable Distortion of Global
Warming by Scientists, Politicians, and the Media.
* --- TASSC operative S. Fred Singer's SEPP website has 35 webpages
with Christy's erroneous data, which has never been corrected or
retracted. http://snipurl.com/qttt Google Results 1 - 35 from
www.sepp.org for "John Christy" SEPP.
* --- TASSC operative Frederick Seitz, and longtime partner with
Singer in SEPP, was president of the George C. Marshall Institute.
http://snipurl.com/qttx Google Results 7 from www.marshall.org for
"John Christy" Marshall Institute. Webpages propagating 'erroneous"
data from John Christy have never been corrected or retracted.
* --- TASSC operative Steve Milloy's Junkscience website has
Christy's Junk Science. http://snipurl.com/qtum Google Results 45 from
junkscience.com for "John Christy". Webpages propagating "erroneous"
junk science from John Christy have never been corrected or retracted.
--- Heartland Institute controlled website connects John Christy
to a known TASSC Organized Crime operation, APCO Associates --
http://www.climatesearch.com/newsDetail.cfm?nwsId=54 -- With TASSC
Singer, TASSC Michaels, and TASSC Seitz involvement. APCO created TASSC
as a fraud operation, and still maintains ties with the operative
"whitecoats".
* --- CEI-Registered website www.globalwarming.org has 40 webpages
with John Christy's "erroneous" data. http://snipurl.com/qtw6 Google
Results about 40 from www.globalwarming.org for GlobalWarming.org "John
Christy". Webpages propagating "erroneous" junk science from John
Christy have never been corrected or retracted.
* --- CEI-Registered website
http://www.globalwarming.org/sitemap.htm sitemap has two links that go
off-site to TASSC-Ally Fred Seitz's old lair at George C. Marshall
Institute: Brief Synopsis of the Global Warming Issue, and Guide to
Global Warming - Questions and Answers on Climate Change. The
http://www.globalwarming.org/about.htm pretends that "Consumer Alert"
still exists, but the link is a dead parked page. Further down the page
"National Consumer Coalition" link
http://www.consumeralert.org/ncc/index.htm leads to the same dead
parked page. They are not even trying to keep up appearances of all
their phoney front operations any more. They do have a link to their
roots as tobacco fraudsters from the Good Old Days, in The Smoker's
Club website, with Competitive Enterprise Institute clearly on the
bottom of the page. Who knows how many more fly-by-night websites they
have out there posing as citizen's groups and grassroots coalitions?

GoldMine wrote:

From his bio " understanding the relations of science and politics"

No, in my humble opinion, science and politics have no place together, and
should not be used in the same paragraph, much less the same sentance. But
then I did not get a degree from Colorado, mabey they teach this there.

Science, pure science, (if it still exists), is about following a logical
precept, verifying it with experimental data, and basing further decisions
on the results of said experiments. Not bending the experiments to fit the
precept. In politics, it is all about backing up the idea, regardless of
right or wrong (data wise). As one of my relatives said just before he
resigned his political office said "the party does ask too much, sometimes."

Personally, I despise politics, but realize the need for it. I just never
want to *do* it. It would remind me of those lovely creatures in Le Styx in
Paris. (One of the best brothels in the city of light)

As for a geek, what's wrong with that?

Anyway, that's my 2 cents worth.

I don't get the policy thing either. His old man was a physicist, kind
of hard physics, anyways. It's the subtle debunking that goes on there
that bothers me, when it's obvious we need some hard science and hard
physics solutions to problems that are easily into the self evident
phase. The don't rock the boat mentality just doesn't cut it with me.

He just seems like a ladder climber.

"Thomas Lee Elifritz" wrote in message
...
Wanna good laugh?

http://cires.colorado.edu/people/pielke/

Check out the shirt. Yet another Bush apologist.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org

Petra wrote:
Geez, I thought I was the only geeky nerdy policewoman on the beat.
He's not so bad. After all, he's wearing the Uniform de Jour, brown.

I get a lot of fashion violations too I guess.

Last year I was rudely interrupted while waiting in line the USGS
office by some ghoul wearing a red flannel shirt with the sleeves
hanging down and he could barely speak. But hey, he got there first.

Well dressed women inside of the "Men's Clubhouse" are still not
entirely welcomed. I'm not sure what that's all about, I've only seen
it a few dozen times. Maybe one day I should grab one of them by the
collar and ask them what the hell's going on? I would except I'd have
to reduce myself to their levels and I'm not quite ready to go there
yet.

What is appropriate ladder climber attire?

I think I'll hold for a larger audience and get some news coverage
about when I go for it.

Texas geologist and southwest geologist attire is pretty easy to spot
too. What's the deal with those kooky hats? Texas hats on steroids?
And the belt buckles and those little cowboy ties.

Petra

John Christy is known associate of TASSC Organized Crime wrote:

Wanna good laugh?

http://cires.colorado.edu/people/pielke/

Check out the shirt. Yet another Bush apologist.

One of the Roger Pielke's (unspecified which one) appeared in a 2002

Well, now the astute Dr. Pielke can add a fashion citation to his long
list of accomplishments. William Gray is kind of like the Dr. Kevorkian
of climate science. Let's try to figure out what next years hurricanes
are going to do. Sure. Uh-huh. Sigh. They sure are cranking out crap.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org

"Thomas Lee Elifritz" wrote in message
...
John Christy is known associate of TASSC Organized Crime wrote:

Wanna good laugh?

http://cires.colorado.edu/people/pielke/

Check out the shirt. Yet another Bush apologist.

One of the Roger Pielke's (unspecified which one) appeared in a 2002

Well, now the astute Dr. Pielke can add a fashion citation to his long
list of accomplishments. William Gray is kind of like the Dr. Kevorkian
of climate science. Let's try to figure out what next years hurricanes
are going to do. Sure. Uh-huh. Sigh. They sure are cranking out crap.


We're looking for another big hurricane season down here in Miami.
What bugs me is how they're downplaying this latest forecast.
For starters, the pre-season predictions for this year are larger
than last years prediction. Yet the headlines are for a milder season
by comparing last years /actual/ count to this years predictions.

And it didn't even get a mention that the predictions are for the number
of named storms are up maybe half over average. But the prediction
for cat3 and above are two to three times normal. And they casually
mentioned how this year should see less shearing forces than last.
Gee, isn't that really bad news? Not to them, just a btw.

They don't want to talk about the fact that last year, and probably
again, we're seeing storms increase in physical size by almost
an order of magnitude. When an eye is some one hundred miles
across but at cat 5 speed, as Katrina and Wilma were, they
make $30 billion fifteen mile wide eye of Andrew look
like an annoyance.

I'm psyched up for this season! All that shallow warm water
in the Everglades down here seems to draw hurricanes in
like flys!




http://cosmic.lifeform.org

How 'bout those peer-reviewed papers? Top notch journals.

"Thomas Lee Elifritz" wrote in message
...
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Check out the shirt. Yet another Bush apologist.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org

"Question Quigley" wrote, in a broken
top-posting, which I have corrected:

:"Thomas Lee Elifritz" wrote in message
...
: Wanna good laugh?
:
: http://cires.colorado.edu/people/pielke/
:
: Check out the shirt. Yet another Bush apologist.
:
:How 'bout those peer-reviewed papers? Top notch journals.

Tommy Lee OnTheFritz has obviously never been to Boulder. Lots of
people there dress like that. If you could see his feet he'd probably
be wearing hiking boots.

We used to jokingly call the place 'Berkeley East'. Hardly a hotbed
of conservative conspiracies.

--
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable
man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore,
all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
--George Bernard Shaw