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OPINION (Oberg): "Post-Columbia NASA hunkers down"
http://www.msnbc.com/news/943305.asp?0dm=C219T Officials’ view of shortcomings is a bad omen for future clash (photo) Linda Ham, who led Columbia’s Mission Management Team.and Philip Engelauf, the mission operations representative on the team, meet the press at an impromptu roundtable Tuesday. OPINION By James Oberg NBC NEWS SPACE ANALYST HOUSTON, July 23 — NASA spaceflight operations officials argued Tuesday that the loss of the space shuttle Columbia was nobody’s fault, and that they couldn’t have done anything wrong because of their pure intentions. They couldn’t think of anything they did wrong, but they also promised to do better in the future. These comments come as part of NASA’s hunkering down in anticipation of being seriously skewered by the report now being written by the Columbia Accident Investigation Board. The group, often referred to as the Gehman Committee after the retired admiral who chairs it, has already issued its technical explanation of the loss of Columbia and its seven astronauts on Feb. 1. The main thrust of their other report, due for release by the end of August, will be how NASA’s culture allowed the disaster to happen. The impromptu press roundtable at NASA’s Johnson Space Center in Houston was organized to discuss documents that the space agency had just released that morning. These were transcripts of meetings of the Mission Management Team, the group that provides day-to-day decisions during human space missions. The tapes had been made in January and transcribed in the first week of February, and after six months NASA had gotten around to releasing them to the public. The NASA official in charge of the Mission Management Team meetings was Linda Ham, an experienced flight control engineer and flight director. Along with fellow Mission Control Center management representative Philip Engelauf and flight director Leroy Cain (who had been on duty during the Columbia descent on Feb. 1), Ham answered questions from reporters during the half-hour roundtable. ASSESSING THE DATA Discussion centered on the critical juncture on Jan. 24, eight days into the flight, when contractor engineers presented the results of their studies of the potential damage of the foam impact during launch. They had correctly estimated the size of the piece and its mass, and had mapped out possible impact points on the wing, including what investigators now say was the actual point of impact. They had also properly used both computer models and flight experience data to assess the damage to be expected on the fragile thermal tiles, and concluded that there might be significant tile damage that would require repair before the shuttle could be launched again — but no “burn-through,” and no “safety-of-flight” issue. Hindsight validated these assessments. But when it came time to assess the hazard of foam impact on the special high-temperature leading-edge panels — the reinforced carbon-carbon, or RCC — they had no test data, no analysis tools, no database of flight experience. So they just guessed. They assumed it would be OK. And NASA officials — particularly Linda Ham, who was in charge of that meeting — let them get away with it. Their presentation had stated that the RCC panels were even stronger than tiles because of the “relative softness of [foam].” Thus they concluded that “RCC damage [is] limited to [loss of] coating based on soft [foam].” The conclusion wasn’t based on any analysis or actual testing — NASA had never done any foam impacts on RCC. The engineers just guessed that foam, being soft, couldn’t — even at 500 mph (800 kilometers per hour) — hurt the quarter-inch-thick (5-millimeter-thick) RCC panels. Unlike the shuttle’s tiles, which are supported under their entire area by aluminum skin, the RCC panels were supported only by bolts at their corners. VETERANS VENT THEIR OUTRAGE Old-timers from Apollo days have privately expressed outrage at this misjudgment, and at Ham’s (and all other officials’) acquiescence to the guess. “Kraft or Kranz would never have let it go by,” one of them told MSNBC.com by e-mail, referring to the legendary Apollo-era flight directors Christopher Kraft and Gene Kranz. “They would have demanded to know on what basis this impact was considered safe — or demanded a way to determine whether there was any damage or not.” But the new generation of officials at NASA disclaimed any responsibility for requiring such proof. “None of us felt that the analysis was faulty,” Ham said Tuesday. “We do rely on the systems experts. That is the way that we operate.” Early in July, directed by the Gehman Committee, NASA finally conducted a test of real foam against real RCC panels. Under conditions simulating the actual ascent of Columbia on Jan. 16, the impact blew a foot-wide hole in the leading edge of the front left wing. A hole of that size was completely adequate to account for the subsequent destruction of the shuttle 16 days later. The Apollo veterans do not allege that officials should have known in advance that such fatal damage had occurred on this flight. They do point out that the traditional NASA safety culture — assume the worst until you have rigorously proven that it’s safe — would have at the very least demanded that officials make efforts to assure themselves that no such damage had actually been done. Instead, they simply and conveniently assumed that such damage was impossible. Even at Tuesday’s roundtable, the officials saw nothing wrong in their decisions. “I don’t believe anyone is at fault for this,” said Ham. Engelauf and Cain agreed: Their decisions were based on “the best available data and analysis at the time.” Engelauf specifically blamed the engineers who did the analysis: “On this particular case, I don’t think the problem was we didn’t do the analysis or didn’t take notice of the foam. I think we got the wrong answer on the analysis,” he said. The officials also said they thought it was important that they had good intentions and tried hard. “Well, it goes without saying that we were all trying to do the right thing,” Ham said. “Nobody wanted to do any harm to anyone. Obviously, nobody wants to hurt the crew.” Engelauf went further, bristling at an imagined insult. “It’s unconscionable to me that people can attribute to the members of the MMT or the flight control team or the rest of the folks during these missions anything other than the best of intentions,” he said. “These are people of good conscience doing everything in their power to get the right answers. This is what we do for a living. “We lost the crew and we lost the vehicle,” he conceded, “... but it is not because of lack of good intent or lack of effort on anybody’s part. .... It’s really difficult to me to attribute blame to any individual personalities or people. We can find mistakes in analyses and we can find places where we weren’t good enough. But it’s not because of malice or ill intent.” KNOWING WHAT’S BROKEN None of the outside experts who talked with MSNBC.com suggested that these officials had anything but the best intentions. But they suspect that perhaps the officials confused good intentions with good judgment. At the point that the officials made these mistakes, it may well have been too late to save the crew. But these officials all agreed that had they known about the severity of the damage (while excusing themselves of their responsibility to make a reliable determination of that severity), they would literally have moved heaven and earth to develop a rescue or makeshift repair plan. This obsession with after-the-fact justification of the decisions — or the lack of required decisions — that led to the loss of the crew is a bad omen for the imminent clash with the Gehman Committee’s diagnosis of what is wrong inside NASA’s culture and what must be fixed. Fixing something requires knowledge that it is broken, whether it’s a spaceship wing, or a space culture. NASA’s shortsightedness in not recognizing how badly broken Columbia was gave them no chance to fix it, and seven people died. Officials at NASA seem equally unable to see what’s broken about their own culture. Until they recognize it, it’s equally unlikely they’ll be able to fix that flaw, either. James Oberg, space analyst for NBC News, spent 22 years at the Johnson Space Center as a Mission Control operator and an orbital designer. |
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![]() There are some times when trying hard and meaning well just doesn't cut it, especially when doing so NEGLIGENTLY results in seven deaths. How can there possibly be negligence? Except for lack of judgement which is not negligence unless you believe lack of intelligence is a crime. (forgive the grammer or half baked thought --no comments from the peanut gallery) -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- |
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![]() "Lynndel Humphreys" wrote in message How can there possibly be negligence? Except for lack of judgement which is not negligence unless you believe lack of intelligence is a crime. (forgive the grammer or half baked thought --no comments from the peanut gallery) This case is nebulous, I agree, not nearly as clear cut as 51-L -- but if I had to argue for it, I'd say that the failure to apply well-established safety procedures (assume-danger-and-require-proof-of-safety) when it came to reviewing and validating a presentation, was a form of negligence. Are there grounds for a wrongful-death civil suit, as with Challenger and 'CC' Williams's crash? Again, hazy, IMHO. |
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"Lynndel Humphreys" wrote: There are some times when trying hard and meaning well just doesn't cut it, especially when doing so NEGLIGENTLY results in seven deaths. How can there possibly be negligence? Except for lack of judgement which is not negligence unless you believe lack of intelligence is a crime. (forgive the grammer or half baked thought --no comments from the peanut gallery) Do you want the American legal definition of "negligence" or the common sense, everyday usage version? Either way, failure to fully recognize the limitations of the various analyses attempted, failure to recognize the limitations of prior experience, failure to recognize that Boeing's own analysis indicated possibilities of serious damage which were swept away by blanket conclusions at the end of the presentations . . . these are exemplars of the very concept of "negligence" by nearly any definition. That is not to say that such negligence is legally actionable (that's another discussion for another thread, the answer to which is far from clear-cut anyway). But stating (as MMT members have, in essence), "We all TRIED really hard! We didn't MEAN to mess up!" doesn't make their short fall any easier to accept nor does it excuse the institutional problems demonstrated. Simply saying, "Ooops, we tried," doesn't excuse negligence. -- Herb Schaltegger, Esq. Chief Counsel, Human O-Ring Society "I was promised flying cars! Where are the flying cars?!" ~ Avery Brooks |
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![]() Are there grounds for a wrongful-death civil suit, as with Challenger and 'CC' Williams's crash? Again, hazy, IMHO. IMHO Challenger was different. That failure was known as a cricality 1 --a known failure would occur and they did not take steps to fix the problem. They could but did not. The foam was not a criticality 1 item. IMHO they just did not realize the seriousness of the matter. All supposition on my part. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- |
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Interesting article and one that in general pretty much hits the nail on the
head IMHO. However, it might be a bit hard on NASA (though not on the MMT) - though of course I acknowledge that James knows far, far more than me about NASA. It is my understanding that Ham has been removed from her post, which suggests that NASA at least recognises that mistakes were made and that changes are required. And I think (hope) NASA, as an organisation, will learn from this tragedy. Regarding the MMT, they must be going through a rough time, but you accept that possibility when you accept the job - which should include accepting responsibility for your actions/inactions. Is it really the case that NASA has no FDs of the caliber of Kranz and Kraft? Alan James Oberg wrote: OPINION (Oberg): "Post-Columbia NASA hunkers down" http://www.msnbc.com/news/943305.asp?0dm=C219T text deleted James Oberg, space analyst for NBC News, spent 22 years at the Johnson Space Center as a Mission Control operator and an orbital designer. |
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Sorry all - just realised I hadn't put in my ID after a rebuild. Alan
"" wrote: Interesting article and one that in general pretty much hits the nail on the head IMHO. However, it might be a bit hard on NASA (though not on the MMT) - though of course I acknowledge that James knows far, far more than me about NASA. It is my understanding that Ham has been removed from her post, which suggests that NASA at least recognises that mistakes were made and that changes are required. And I think (hope) NASA, as an organisation, will learn from this tragedy. Regarding the MMT, they must be going through a rough time, but you accept that possibility when you accept the job - which should include accepting responsibility for your actions/inactions. Is it really the case that NASA has no FDs of the caliber of Kranz and Kraft? Alan James Oberg wrote: OPINION (Oberg): "Post-Columbia NASA hunkers down" http://www.msnbc.com/news/943305.asp?0dm=C219T text deleted James Oberg, space analyst for NBC News, spent 22 years at the Johnson Space Center as a Mission Control operator and an orbital designer. |
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James Oberg wrote: None of the outside experts who talked with MSNBC.com suggested that these officials had anything but the best intentions. But they suspect that perhaps the officials confused good intentions with good judgment. Jim, this group has been subjected to all sorts of Chicken Little rants and hateful diatribes against the people of NASA, both types of postings that I immediately dismiss because they're clearly based on people's pre-existing biases. Your analyses, by contrast, have a solid basis, and you've demonstrated that you are neither a "NASA can do no wrong" or a "NASA can do no right" partisan. Thus although it's painful to consider that there may be systemic cultural problems that led to terrible consequences, I appreciate your perspective on the issue very much, and I'm going to think about the issues you raise very seriously. Despite your current journalistic objectivity, it must be difficult to reach such conclusions about people you've worked with and have such respect for. I suspect this was one of hardest pieces you've ever had to write. Patty |
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"Herb Schaltegger" wrote in message
... Reading the MMT's repeated protestations of "good intentions" and hearing their crocodile tears of injured pride all I can think of is the entirely apropos quoted favored by my mother as I was growing up: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." There are some times when trying hard and meaning well just doesn't cut it, especially when doing so NEGLIGENTLY results in seven deaths. You mention the Road To Hell, and I'm thinking on the same lines... The way this round-table comes across to me is them taking the opportunity to say "But we tried so HARD! (P.S. don't you dare question our judgement)." I'm just thinking about what Jim said below, how nobody stands up and says "I ****ed up" or even "Here's where WE ****ed up and here's what we can do to fix it." There's no active introspection and self-questioning there, except maybe in hindsight, even though that should be part of any good management process. And since they excluded him from the conference, quite possibly because he might ask some tough questions and he's got inside knowledge... Well. I don't want to call it whining but it almost seems that way. It feels more like a P.R. opportunity to be apologetic, and say "cross-my-heart & hope-to-die, it only LOOKS bad but we're really good and it's not our fault." The more I think about it, the more important the final CAIB report seems to be. All we've gotten so far is tidbits, like this conference, the infamous e-mails, little bits and pieces about NASA's safety culture, budget cuts, etc. Of course, there's also the chicken little usnet posts and Thorazine-fueled conspiracy ravings, which certainly don't help any, but we know that's worthless **** anyhow. In the end I think the CAIB is the only group that will have BOTH the balls AND the delegated authori-tay to stand up and say what's wrong, and give it both barrels. I HOPE that NASA has to "hunker down." If they don't... Well, not to get too SmallerC-esque, but then the CAIB would be just another bump in the road on the way to another lost orbiter. All this is strictly IMO, of course - I'm just an armchair space enthusiast. This is my view from the computer chair. ![]() |
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"Richard F. Drushel, Ph.D." wrote in message
... Herb Schaltegger spake unto the ether: But if Congress, or the public, or the press, or the old guys from the MOCR want blood, then I guess Ham and Dittemore are convenient sacrifices. I personally don't know what "justice" is in this situation. Sack them? Transfer them to different jobs in the bowels of NASA? Put them on trial? Public hanging from the swing arm on Pad 39A? "First rule of management: EVERYTHING is you fault!" (Hopper, "A Bug's Life") ....Somebody will look for blood, sure, but the smarter thing would be to analyze how they fit into the "failure chain," identify a pattern, and work to fix it, right? I wish that Governors, Congressmen, and Presidents had to be as accountable as what NASA is :-( You won't get any argument out of me. Gehman has said that they're going to look at the role of budget cuts, though. |
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