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http://www.aiaa.org/aerospace/images...ookmarch05.pdf
Hmm. I guess some day I'll need to try soldering upside down on earth. My first reaction is that gravity plays little role even here, but I guess I don't know that until I make sure that gravity is working against me, rather than with me, eh? The items in the article range from the subtle (gas bubbles in the solder) to the (should be) obvious (need to blow/suck the smoke away so you can see what you're doing). Interesting. |
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![]() "Jim Kingdon" wrote in message news ![]() http://www.aiaa.org/aerospace/images...ookmarch05.pdf Hmm. I guess some day I'll need to try soldering upside down on earth. My first reaction is that gravity plays little role even here, but I guess I don't know that until I make sure that gravity is working against me, rather than with me, eh? I've done this a bit in the past (generally solidering connections under the dash of a car or something similar) and it's generally not fun. Any excess solder, when it's liquid, tends to flow downward and drip off. If you try this, I'd recommend gloves, and a full face shield (if you've got one). The way the solder flows in zero gravity is certainly someting interesting to study. The items in the article range from the subtle (gas bubbles in the solder) to the (should be) obvious (need to blow/suck the smoke away so you can see what you're doing). Interesting. But at least it's possible to solider in zero gravity. There don't appear to be any show stoppers. Jeff -- Remove icky phrase from email address to get a valid address. |
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Yeah, and it will perhaps get to be even more interesting, as the European and Japanese requirements for lead-free soldering take affect; this will also affect component availability. Along with making the soldering just different, for long duration equipment, as is often found in many aerospace applications, the tin whisker problem is of concern to some. -- rk, Just an OldEngineer Considering that most of the electronics will be built with surface mount components it will be very difficult to repair, let alone troubleshoot the complex equipment being used these days. I worked on Telemetry receiving equipment and did my own rework on chips up to 288 pins under a stereo microscope. It takes time to learn how to probe these boards by hand, and requires a very steady hand to resolder the leads without causing even more problems. Processes that can be used on the ground would introduce unwanted contaminants in a closed environment and you don't have the luxury of a cleaning room to run repaired boards through to remove the flux after a repair. -- Former professional electron wrangler. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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Jim Kingdon wrote:
The items in the article range from the subtle (gas bubbles in the solder) to the (should be) obvious (need to blow/suck the smoke away so you can see what you're doing). Interesting. I was fascinated to learn that in orbit, "gravity is balanced by the equal but opposite centrifugal force". -- Happy, sad, cross and concentrating. |
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Michael A. Terrell wrote: rk wrote: Yeah, and it will perhaps get to be even more interesting, as the European and Japanese requirements for lead-free soldering take affect; this will also affect component availability. Along with making the soldering just different, for long duration equipment, as is often found in many aerospace applications, the tin whisker problem is of concern to some. -- rk, Just an OldEngineer Considering that most of the electronics will be built with surface mount components it will be very difficult to repair, let alone troubleshoot the complex equipment being used these days. I worked on Telemetry receiving equipment and did my own rework on chips up to 288 pins under a stereo microscope. It takes time to learn how to probe these boards by hand, and requires a very steady hand to resolder the leads without causing even more problems. Processes that can be used on the ground would introduce unwanted contaminants in a closed environment and you don't have the luxury of a cleaning room to run repaired boards through to remove the flux after a repair. Well, yes and know. Some surface mount components aren't that hard, such as resistors and capacitors and even some basic flat packs. Other large integrated circuits, as you mention have a lot pins, some quite a bit more than what you mention, but the key is that they are small. Professional technicians do the work under microscopes and they now typically have a 0.5 mm spacing between lead centers; that's itty bitty. But it gets more complicated for space gear since you have additional elements such as the conformal coat that seals it, which needs to be removed and reapplied, and perhaps structural and/or thermal epoxy between the component and the board. The risk of damage to a board for a remove and replace for a professional technician doing this day in and day out can not be dismissed. So for components such as this, a remove and replace job probably would not be the way to go at all, with the replaceable unit being a higher level module. So soldering these sorts of components probably isn't a key objectice. Two and three terminal devices are easy: Apply a drop of liquid RMA flux and use two soldering irons to heat and lift the components. On small SMD chips you can use solder wick to remove all the old solder. Then you use a small curved pic and the edge of the hold soldering iron tip to melt the solder under the lead and gently lift it from the pad and let the lead cool. If you're good it only takes 30 seconds to a minute to remove a small chip. Replacement is almost as easy. Tack solder two pins on opposite corners, check the alignment, then solder all the pins. This took me under a minute for small SMD chips. Module level repair is desirable, if you have good interchangability testing at the module level and known good spares. Replacing some components require recalibration or realignment following the repairs. In four years I only damaged two boards while doing rework. The first one I was replacing a MPU chip and an idiot walked up and slammed his fist down on the microscope cart while I was soldering and ripped half the pads off one edge. The other one was after the M.E.s replaced the microscope carts and managed to arrange the AC outlets so that a loop of .015" solder touched the AC line. When I touched the grounded iron to the solder it vaporized in my hand and deposited metal vapor all around the processor. Not a bad average if you consider that I did about 100 assorted boards a week for four years. Then again, pin counts of around two hundred is getting into the low category and the use of BGA and CCGA packages, for example. The old hobby shopper with the soldering iron can't do that job, needs special gear. and is often inspected with X-Ray. Etc. But testing isn't as bad as you make out. Electronic probing is getting to be more and more standard. And military equipment often has a requirement to isolate a certain percentage of all faults to a component. The IEEE 1149.1 JTAG boundary scan is often used, although one must be careful using this in the space environment. I worked as a production tech on one radio that's part of the space station. I worked on over 75% of the boards and modules for that radio because I had the reputation of making dam sure it was right, or refusing to sign anything off. The radio doesn't have that much digital, and the only part with JTAG was the MC68340 processor chip. JTAG isn't much use in analog circuits and it would take a well trained tech to repair something as complex as the telemetry receivers we built. Another feature to consider is that components designed for military and space are often required to have built-in test functions (e.g., MIL-STD-1553B controllers, MIL-STD-1750A processors). Even older processors from the '60s had test support in-flight (something I'm looking into now). Anyways, I found it to be an interesting article. As is the topic of in- flight fault detection, diagnosis, and repair. I wish them well trying to repair equipment in flight. I know it won't be me. I'm too old, I have too many health problems and I'm almost blind. -- rk, Just an OldEngineer -- Former professional electron wrangler. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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Michael A. Terrell wrote: rk wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: rk wrote: Yeah, and it will perhaps get to be even more interesting, as the European and Japanese requirements for lead-free soldering take affect; this will also affect component availability. Along with making the soldering just different, for long duration equipment, as is often found in many aerospace applications, the tin whisker problem is of concern to some. -- rk, Just an OldEngineer Considering that most of the electronics will be built with surface mount components it will be very difficult to repair, let alone troubleshoot the complex equipment being used these days. I worked on Telemetry receiving equipment and did my own rework on chips up to 288 pins under a stereo microscope. It takes time to learn how to probe these boards by hand, and requires a very steady hand to resolder the leads without causing even more problems. Processes that can be used on the ground would introduce unwanted contaminants in a closed environment and you don't have the luxury of a cleaning room to run repaired boards through to remove the flux after a repair. Well, yes and know. Some surface mount components aren't that hard, such as resistors and capacitors and even some basic flat packs. Other large integrated circuits, as you mention have a lot pins, some quite a bit more than what you mention, but the key is that they are small. Professional technicians do the work under microscopes and they now typically have a 0.5 mm spacing between lead centers; that's itty bitty. But it gets more complicated for space gear since you have additional elements such as the conformal coat that seals it, which needs to be removed and reapplied, and perhaps structural and/or thermal epoxy between the component and the board. The risk of damage to a board for a remove and replace for a professional technician doing this day in and day out can not be dismissed. So for components such as this, a remove and replace job probably would not be the way to go at all, with the replaceable unit being a higher level module. So soldering these sorts of components probably isn't a key objectice. Two and three terminal devices are easy: Apply a drop of liquid RMA flux and use two soldering irons to heat and lift the components. On small SMD chips you can use solder wick to remove all the old solder. Then you use a small curved pic and the edge of the hold soldering iron tip to melt the solder under the lead and gently lift it from the pad and let the lead cool. If you're good it only takes 30 seconds to a minute to remove a small chip. Replacement is almost as easy. Tack solder two pins on opposite corners, check the alignment, then solder all the pins. This took me under a minute for small SMD chips. Me? Can't solder well at all. What we've seen over the years is that after around 5 cycles or so with the fine lead pitch, pad lifts start to occur. Depends on the particular technician, some having a lighter hand than others. Chip caps and resistors are reasonably easy. It's made messier and staking and coating and thermal goop. This is generally a job for someone who works doing soldering and polymerics on a regular basis. Here's a picture of a board I found on the internet, for those playing at home, fairly routine technology (but no BGA or CCGA): Before stake and coat: http://klabs.org/images/messenger/rm...ttom020303.jpg Some of the hand soldering looks a little rough, and I don't like the wires used for R521 & R522 instead of zero ohm resistors. A number if IC pins have solder almost to the body of the component, and gold plated leads are kind of rare these days. After stake and coat: http://klabs.org/images/messenger/rm...erC&S22003.jpg I've reworked some failed conformal coated boards in the past, but they were industrial. Module level repair is desirable, if you have good interchangability testing at the module level and known good spares. Replacing some components require recalibration or realignment following the repairs. I think having that good level of module is the way to go to Mars for a crewed mission. Reprogrammability of the hardware and software will also be a factor. I'm talking mostly digital here, by the way. There has been some work done in reprogrammable analog but not nearly as much. In four years I only damaged two boards while doing rework. The first one I was replacing a MPU chip and an idiot walked up and slammed his fist down on the microscope cart while I was soldering and ripped half the pads off one edge. The other one was after the M.E.s replaced the microscope carts and managed to arrange the AC outlets so that a loop of .015" solder touched the AC line. When I touched the grounded iron to the solder it vaporized in my hand and deposited metal vapor all around the processor. Not a bad average if you consider that I did about 100 assorted boards a week for four years. Quite excellent. Then again, pin counts of around two hundred is getting into the low category and the use of BGA and CCGA packages, for example. The old hobby shopper with the soldering iron can't do that job, needs special gear. and is often inspected with X-Ray. Etc. But testing isn't as bad as you make out. Electronic probing is getting to be more and more standard. And military equipment often has a requirement to isolate a certain percentage of all faults to a component. The IEEE 1149.1 JTAG boundary scan is often used, although one must be careful using this in the space environment. I worked as a production tech on one radio that's part of the space station. I worked on over 75% of the boards and modules for that radio because I had the reputation of making dam sure it was right, or refusing to sign anything off. The radio doesn't have that much digital, and the only part with JTAG was the MC68340 processor chip. JTAG isn't much use in analog circuits and it would take a well trained tech to repair something as complex as the telemetry receivers we built. Again, referring mostly to digital components, seeing it on a lot of processors, gate arrays, etc. Analog ... ewwwwww. :-) Another feature to consider is that components designed for military and space are often required to have built-in test functions (e.g., MIL-STD-1553B controllers, MIL-STD-1750A processors). Even older processors from the '60s had test support in-flight (something I'm looking into now). Anyways, I found it to be an interesting article. As is the topic of in- flight fault detection, diagnosis, and repair. I wish them well trying to repair equipment in flight. I know it won't be me. I'm too old, I have too many health problems and I'm almost blind. It's a tough problem. They took a crack at that back in the '60s when electronics reliability wasn't as good as it is now. There was concern over the two week lunar trips and this is discussed in Eldon Hall's book. For the OAO mission, they went with quad redundant logic, if memory serves, for the long-term one year mission! I think we'll be revisiting this for Mars trips, which will be quite a bit different than lunar ones, in my opinion. -- rk -- Former professional electron wrangler. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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Michael A. Terrell wrote: Some of the hand soldering looks a little rough, and I don't like the wires used for R521 & R522 instead of zero ohm resistors. Just curious, why? Not bragging but I had to point out every solder joint I did to the QC people because they couldn't tell my work from the solder flow done by our Heller reflow oven until I pointed out the slight color difference between the paste solder and the Ersin .015" rework solder we used. As far as the wire jumpers, its quicker to use zero ohm resistors. They are self aligning and you don't have to try to solder down a small piece of wire then trim it. I can put on a dozen SMD resistors in the time I can do one wire and they cost under a penny each. When you factor in the time the SMD part is cheaper. A number if IC pins have solder almost to the body of the component, and gold plated leads are kind of rare these days. Actually, for that series of parts (the large 208-pin one), the MIL-SPECs only call out that lead finish, note that it's the most readily available, and for other finishes, go fish. I've reworked some failed conformal coated boards in the past, but they were industrial. There's also quite a bit of staking used along with thermal goop under the parts. More specialized skills for on-orbit repair, removal and replacement, many of those substances needs to be kept quite cold, and has a limited lifetime after shipment from the vendor. I'm not a polymerics guy, but probably not long enough for a trip to Mars and back, if memory serves. I'd be worried about the fumes from the coatings as they cured. You can't just pump the contaminated air outside and replace it like you can on the ground. -- rk -- Former professional electron wrangler. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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Michael A. Terrell wrote: rk wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: Some of the hand soldering looks a little rough, and I don't like the wires used for R521 & R522 instead of zero ohm resistors. Just curious, why? Not bragging but I had to point out every solder joint I did to the QC people because they couldn't tell my work from the solder flow done by our Heller reflow oven until I pointed out the slight color difference between the paste solder and the Ersin .015" rework solder we used. Sounds like bragging. ;-) I just consider it a skill developed over time, like logical troubleshooting. Actually, I got in trouble with the rework dept. for being too good. One of the regular rework ladies would rant and scream that "None of the techs can solder" then she couldn't find my rework without help. A loudmouth tech that worked near my bench would go over to rework just to stir up trouble by telling them I was better at it than any of the women were. I learned to solder at eight and did a lot of repair work till I was almost 50. I was at a computer hardware show to see a new line of networking hardware about five years ago. The manufactures rep laid out his sample boards and was bragging about the quality. I found at least 20 reworked solder joints on every board without a magnifier. I quietly pointed them out to him and suggested that reworked products are not what you want on display if you're trying to sell hundreds of boards at a time. He was red faced as he told me thanks, and that he would have them send him another set of samples that didn't have any rework. It looked like they had given him engineering samples rather than production boards. As far as the wire jumpers, its quicker to use zero ohm resistors. They are self aligning and you don't have to try to solder down a small piece of wire then trim it. I can put on a dozen SMD resistors in the time I can do one wire and they cost under a penny each. When you factor in the time the SMD part is cheaper. Hmmm ... doesn't look like a piece of wire is that time intensive to prepare and put down. If it has to be done by hand VS Pick-N-Place it is. Will the zero ohm SMD resistor have the same parasitics as the wire? I'll look up the specification for it if you have the number handy, just curious. Sorry, but I've been disabled for over three years now and no longer have access to any of the data on the components. We used SMD 1208 and 0806 resistors at microwave frequencies, including where we needed a 0 dB pad. A zero ohm resistor from input to output and leave the other positions open. I don't know of any space grade part that costs under a penny each. The 5% zero ohm was $26/5000, the 1% were a little higher. -- rk, Just an OldEngineer -- Former professional electron wrangler. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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![]() rk wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: The 5% zero ohm was $26/5000, the 1% were a little higher. OK, that's a big more then under a penny. I get 0.52 cents And for boards such as the one under discussion, 5,000 components is a lot, since there are typically only a few copies made. Yes, but 5000 goes quick when spread across many products. Even if the average product only uses 10 per board, and only 5 boards are made, the next product is going to use 50 more, and the one after that 50 more.... /dps |
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