How Would Americans Prepare for Utilization of Metals on Asteroids?

Part I

Terms That Would be Used in the Technology for Mining
Asteroids are Not Unlike Those Used in Refining Metals
on Earth

In fact, the systems used with the "terminology technology"
are more rigourously defined by the environments in which
they are supposed to operate.

For example, follow the link below to get an idea of what
a prototype system used for regolith refining would
consist of, following an SAR mapping of an asteroid:

https://cp1.runhosting.com/filemanag...t%2Findex.html

Would it not be unlike those who are buying up the gold
markets because they doubt the veracity of space entrepreneurs
to create massive markets for cheap and abundant energy,
earth-to-orbit technology, and primary metals markets by
the hundreds of trillions?

New World Oil in the Form of Commercial Mineral Mining on Earth

The only thing worse than a convulsive, national-gone-trans-
nationalist economy is a society that refuses to attempt at
all costs to reinvent itself, because it has become plagued
by guilt and shame with a tyranny that has an iron grip on it
that opposes revolutionary technology; citizens who were once
inclined to pick themselves up by the bootstraps because
they were sick and tired of the codependencies that their own
paralyzed, spartan military complex had inadvertantly helped
to forge within third world countries, were never able to overcome
the legislation that would become introduced that would
license only the monopolization(s) of job markets worldwide,
justifying what only a small group of elite Washington PACS
would do with their own versions of geopolitics worldwide.

Why was radical environmentalism the calling card for
this country to devolve its mineral resourcing from within, so
it could "share" with the world, its enabling technologies
on the outside of its borders?

Where was the payback in that supposed to be for citizens
of the country that originated the state-of-the-art of
mineral extraction?

It would thus seem to be, that if 'the sky is the
limit' to our 'farming out' of resource technology,
then why can't we assume that there is no limit to
what we can do with whatever it is for wherever we go?

Part II

'New World Oil' for Interstellar Transportation

The only thing that hinders progress in the area of
R&D for a "New World Oil" is the will to invest in the mining
and manufacture of minerals on a mass scale similar to that
of the ENERGY INCUMBANTISTS.

There are several minerals that could be developed for crystal-
lographic propulsion systems.

What are the problems that independent Americans face,
and what are the symptoms of a greater problem surrounding
that independence?

Adverse Symptom #1:

Temporal Pork Remedy for Inclement Weather: The More
Inclement Weather, the More Pork

Neither is there a long term remedy that's completely
ground-based, and not prone to inclement weather - the
pork god of ground-based transportation[1] will continue to laugh
at our government's frailty, in dealing with human nature -
and this runs parallel with a failure of implementing competent,
scientific intuition-based research and development by
what's left of scientific free will in the private sector.

Adverse Symptom #2:

Establishing an Energy-based Economy with Co-dependent
Infrastructu Devolving Every Border, Every Language,
and Every Culture Towards a Steady State "One Size Fits
All" Techno-prison Culture & Prison Planet, in the
Name of a Spirit of Humanist Religion that Endorses the
Ethos "All Men are Created Equal".

In this maligned system of reasoning of "All Men are
Created Equal", there are only vast swaths of entitle-
ment programs that can be used to create equalization
of economies throughout a progressive, one-world govern-
ment, or New World Order.

Adverse Symptom #3:

Individual Rights are Handed Over to the State, in the
Form of the Needs of the Many, as Opposed to the Needs
of a Few, Who are Either "Enemies of the State", or
"Enemies of the Free Market System".

Sovereign citizens can achieve their sovereignity in a free
market system by protecting their borders[1] at home, as
well as abroad, and as the leaders in energy resourcing,
develop and maintain their economy by decentralizing their
base of operations for both earth-based and orbital,
towards extraterrestrial.

Sovereigns can do this at the same time they are
maximizing their territorial gains, in the realm of
stellar and interstellar space exploration.

What could possibly be a starting point for the above
scenario to become played out in the real world?

Part III

Remote Mapping of Terrestrial Resources is Only Limited
by the Imagination of the Shrewdly Inspired User of the
Technology

A simulated SAR server program, used on a purely
voluntary basis, could represent setting up a base
of operations for data relay, initiating a flyby to
SAR map various locations across the U.S. for possible
sites of natural mineral formations that are within
range of orbit parameters.

There ARE PROGRAMS AVAILABLE which could be used
to represent, a simulation of an actual transmission of
SAR data from a single server to pro-GAMS clients.*
(GAMS = Geosynchronous Asteroid Mining Satellite).

All that is required of the clients is that they are
logged in to a part of the server website in order to
process raw data thru an applet that runs while the
client is logged on to a website. Since the advent of
faster data processing speeds, data collection could
take several weeks to several months, with the amount
of data collected being compared to what the actual
frame and time stamped telemetry data could be on an
actual GAMS flyby, using a Monte Carlo (MC) method.

The MC method provides a mapping technique using virtual
geo-modeling for the asteroid terrain characteristics.*
The length of the virtual data telemetry collection period
can be compressed into a simulated rendition of what the
full SAR telemetry stream should consist of.* The server
program could help to establish an SAR mockup of what
the actual conditions would be for a GAMS flyby.

A properly calibrated gamma ray sensor chip converts
the energy of the X-rays to an electric pulse, then
to be preprocessed and stored in a readout chip.
Calibration inputs, measured in fC, are used corres-
ponding to the transition energies generated in
silicon. Picture elements, or pixels, give the x-y
position of the incoming X-ray. Depending on the
digital responsivity and data transfer rate, resolution
is sharpest for Photobit's PB-1024 CMOS image
sensor.

The readout chip would, logically, not be part of
the electronics of the GAMS flyby. The reason for
this is because common pixellated scintillators can-
not resolve energy for tuning the close band fre-
quencies between molecular transition shells.

Signals recieved at the GAMS would consist of two
arrays. The first being an 18 X 20 array of position
sensitive photomultiplier tubes in a 1.5m^2 focal
plane with a position resolution of ~1 X 10^4mm.

The reason for such a small imaging area is so that
individual molecules of precious metal may indicate
the presence of a larger field for mining; also if a
spectacular number of spectrographic hits were to
exceed a count rate approaching approximately one
thousand molecular crystals, a second array con-
sisting of an 18 X 20 array of PSPMT's in a 1.5m^2
focal plane with a position resolution of ~1 X 10^5mm
would continue mapping; and again programmed to lim-
itations similar to the circuitry of the detection
processor described[1].

American

"Mountaineers require a more moderate government, because
they are less likely to be conquered."

- Montesquieu

[1]

Control Diagnostic Port Configuration

The control diagnostic port accepts data on an RS-232
port which is modeled to accept 64-bit parallel
commands and setup data.* The control interface is
bidirectional RS-232.* The baud rate for robotic
mapping depends on sensor data from on-board pixel
processing, which is in duplex for date and time
stamped spectra.*

Duplex information transmission of the date and time
stamped spectra by using multiple levels of frequency,
phase, and amplitude modulation, the in-packet data
rates can range from 125 bits-per-second (bps) to
750 bps.* Twelve frames of 64 cells each require
transmission of 768 bits per second, so each 11
frames would require less than the maximum allowed
(750) bps for the single in-packet data rate.

What of the sensor input data?* It would be config-
urable to fiber optic transmission just as cable TV
is except that we're talking about a million miles
away in space for the duplexed 3 kHz gamma radar
transmission rate. Therefore, what is needed is
remote transmission that is described from gamma
ray image sensor input similar to enhanced spectro-
meter performance on an ADTS (Advanced Detection
Technology Sensor), a Ka-band SAR sensor and data
recording system.* Is the Ka-band anywhere near the
~16 gigahertz used for mapping transition frequencies
of precious metals?* Telemetry beacons at 20.185 and
20.195 Ghz are used in the Ka-band, as well as max-
imum bandwidth of spacecraft TWTA (Traveling Wave
Tube Amplifier) transmitters as low as 19.2 Ghz.*
It been noted that the Ku-band spectrum is 10-18 GHz.
The U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC)
adopted a First Report & Order, opening up the Ku-
band spectrum (10-18 GHz) to Non Geostationary Orbit
(NGSO) satellite systems (12/18/00), yet the Ka-band
is becoming more popular as demand for higher band-
width increases.* Multiple transmitters, such as
the duplex transmitter suggested for the GAMS map-
ping facility, allow higher data rates up to several
gigabits of data per second.* Stronger signal
strength is also required in order to prevent rain
degradation. Error coding and slower transmission
can help to allieviate this problem.*

TMDA, or time division multiple access, is the same
as that used in terrestrial cellular systems.

On Jan 19, 7:47*am, American wrote:
Part I

Terms That Would be Used in the Technology for Mining
Asteroids are Not Unlike Those Used in Refining Metals
on Earth

Ain't no way that could be profitable. Costs too much to get up and
back.

Tater

On Jan 19, 6:53*am, Tater Gumfries wrote:
On Jan 19, 7:47*am, American wrote:

Part I

Terms That Would be Used in the Technology for Mining
Asteroids are Not Unlike Those Used in Refining Metals
on Earth

Ain't no way that could be profitable. Costs too much to get up and
back.

Tater

That's what it would only seem to be, given the current status-quo
science that only gets noticed by progressive bureaucrats, national-
gone-transnationalists, green energy advocates, and basically any meat-
puppet (useful idiot) yes-man, that refuses to admit that there is and
will always be, a limit to our growth, ingenuity, and expertise, as
long as these very same people remain in power, because of every PAC's
inability to cover their own interests, while reinvesting in the
future of their own sovereignity.

It makes sense to reinvest in, as well as reinvent, in what's outside
the box of a hopeless technology, such as we have with so many of our
systems in use today. There are many, many, feasible alternatives that
have been suggested in countless patents, that continue to go
unnoticed, even in times of abundant growth in our economy. If
Americans were as smart as they used to be, then they would recognize
that rather than having an eventual WWIII to contend with, they (would
be) presently engaged in all of a cultural, economic, and spiritual
war - a spiritual war that is against everything we have stood for in
the past - independence, scientific intuition, and the free will to
exercise everything that is in our own best interests.

Reinvention of ourselves must be done with caution; we must be able to
hold fast to those things that have become our spiritual guardians,
while at the same time we must exercise careful consideration in those
things that will seek to overthrow our prejudices, for always having
things accomplished in a spirit of spin for ourselves, rather than a
spirit of innovation for every 'participant'.

One of those ideas that seemed to hang in mid-air while never seeing
the light of investment was the Orion nuclear-pulse program. This had
nothing to do with the "Orion" capsule presently being discussed, and
IMO as a "coverup" for the original program, which was started back in
the 1950's. Yet it seems that whenever a discussion is started about
the "nuclear" Orion, the discussion usually ends up having someone
else's "rider" technology being added on as some "qualifier" for
either their own, or some other "special group interest" expertise.
This is not what small, baby steps are about. My hope is that many
like you will begin to understand that it is our own legal and
monetary system which has become corrupted with entitlements rather
than angel investors, transnationalist swelling rather than local
opportunity, and earmarks rather than R&D.

All of the information that I have provided in the above post can be
verified by the current state-of-the-art technology, as well as
theoretical calculation and consideration. With respect to the
"massively cheap, earth-to-orbit technology", there has to be a sea-
change of thought in this regard. It should be what many, many would
consider as being in the best interests of our society to create an
"orbitally based infrastructure", because the current one has become
stunted, as it should, especially if we should be looking at forming
interstellar colonies in the near future, with things like
electrogravitic drive technology (not simply the ionic type, but the
magneto-electric as well).

However, leading up to these systems of advanced propulsion, there
should be a respect for nuclear-pulsed, micro-detonation technology
(that's harmless to the environment, because the addition of Boron
nanotube causes the radiation reaction to become inert), as well as
its quality of being so much "rocket-like", with things like g-force
being the happy side-effect of its thrust capability. Besides, isn't
this kind of propulsion system the precursor technology to cargo
vessels shipping their refined regolith between the asteroids?

Please understand that the background for precious metal mining of the
asteroids is aleady in place - it's only the detractors that are
causing you (and possibly countless others) from understanding and
accepting the truth of what the game of success in the marketplace
(should) consist of - it is not the hoarding of wealth because of the
transnationally "fiated" capital has a better place to go - it is the
fear in the minds of Americans that what they do at home in America is
of no fiated "capital" consequence, because it is that skill which
contains the capital - skill that is embarassing way too many of those
who want to carnalize, rather than truly capitalize, on the
"investment potential" of their capital.

American

"Mount Moriah (Mount of Directing), Mount Zophim (Mount of Observers),
and Mount Zion (Mount of Signal)"

- The Wars of Gods and Men, Zechariah Sitchin, 1985, Avon Books

William Mook has had all of this covered, and then some.

Why haven't you bothered to mention Mook?

~ BG


On Jan 19, 6:47*am, American wrote:
Part I

Terms That Would be Used in the Technology for Mining
Asteroids are Not Unlike Those Used in Refining Metals
on Earth

In fact, the systems used with the "terminology technology"
are more rigourously defined by the environments in which
they are supposed to operate.

For example, follow the link below to get an idea of what
a prototype system used *for regolith refining would
consist of, following an SAR mapping of an asteroid:

https://cp1.runhosting.com/filemanag..._action=downlo....

Would it not be unlike those who are buying up the gold
markets because they doubt the veracity of space entrepreneurs
to create massive markets for cheap and abundant energy,
earth-to-orbit technology, and primary metals markets by
the hundreds of trillions?

New World Oil in the Form of Commercial Mineral Mining on Earth

The only thing worse than a convulsive, national-gone-trans-
nationalist economy is a society that refuses to attempt at
all costs to reinvent itself, because it has become plagued
by guilt and shame with a tyranny that has an iron grip on it
that opposes revolutionary technology; citizens who were once
inclined to pick themselves up by the bootstraps because
they were sick and tired of the codependencies that their own
paralyzed, spartan military complex had inadvertantly helped
to forge within third world countries, were never able to overcome
the legislation that would become introduced that would
license only the monopolization(s) of job markets worldwide,
justifying what only a small group of elite Washington PACS
would do with their own versions of geopolitics worldwide.

Why was radical environmentalism the calling card for
this country to devolve its mineral resourcing from within, so
it could "share" with the world, its enabling technologies
on the outside of its borders?

Where was the payback in that supposed to be for citizens
of the country that originated the state-of-the-art of
mineral extraction?

It would thus seem to be, that if 'the sky is the
limit' to our 'farming out' of resource technology,
then why can't we assume that there is no limit to
what we can do with whatever it is for wherever we go?

Part II

'New World Oil' for Interstellar Transportation

The only thing that hinders progress in the area of
R&D for a "New World Oil" is the will to invest in the mining
and manufacture of minerals on a mass scale similar to that
of the ENERGY INCUMBANTISTS.

There are several minerals that could be developed for crystal-
lographic propulsion systems.

What are the problems that independent Americans face,
and what are the symptoms of a greater problem surrounding
that independence?

Adverse Symptom #1:

Temporal Pork Remedy for Inclement Weather: The More
Inclement Weather, the More Pork

Neither is there a long term remedy that's completely
ground-based, and not prone to inclement weather - the
pork god of ground-based transportation[1] will continue to laugh
at our government's frailty, in dealing with human nature -
and this runs parallel with a failure of implementing competent,
scientific intuition-based research and development by
what's left of scientific free will in the private sector.

Adverse Symptom #2:

Establishing an Energy-based Economy with Co-dependent
Infrastructu Devolving Every Border, Every Language,
and Every Culture Towards a Steady State "One Size Fits
All" Techno-prison Culture & Prison Planet, in the
Name of a Spirit of Humanist Religion that Endorses the
Ethos "All Men are Created Equal".

In this maligned system of reasoning of "All Men are
Created Equal", there are only vast swaths of entitle-
ment programs that can be used to create equalization
of economies throughout a progressive, one-world govern-
ment, or New World Order.

Adverse Symptom #3:

Individual Rights are Handed Over to the State, in the
Form of the Needs of the Many, as Opposed to the Needs
of a Few, Who are Either "Enemies of the State", or
"Enemies of the Free Market System".

Sovereign citizens can achieve their sovereignity in a free
market system by protecting their borders[1] at home, as
well as abroad, and as the leaders in energy resourcing,
develop and maintain their economy by decentralizing their
base of operations for both earth-based and orbital,
towards extraterrestrial.

Sovereigns can do this at the same time they are
maximizing their territorial gains, in the realm of
stellar and interstellar space exploration.

What could possibly be a starting point for the above
scenario to become played out in the real world?

Part III

Remote Mapping of Terrestrial Resources is Only Limited
by the Imagination of the Shrewdly Inspired User of the
Technology

A simulated SAR server program, used on a purely
voluntary basis, could represent setting up a base
of operations for data relay, initiating a flyby to
SAR map various locations across the U.S. for possible
sites of natural mineral formations that are within
range of orbit parameters.

There ARE PROGRAMS AVAILABLE which could be used
to represent, a simulation of an actual transmission of
SAR data from a single server to pro-GAMS clients.*
(GAMS = Geosynchronous Asteroid Mining Satellite).

All that is required of the clients is that they are
logged in to a part of the server website in order to
process raw data thru an applet that runs while the
client is logged on to a website. Since the advent of
faster data processing speeds, data collection could
take several weeks to several months, with the amount
of data collected being compared to what the actual
frame and time stamped telemetry data could be on an
actual GAMS flyby, using a Monte Carlo (MC) method.

The MC method provides a mapping technique using virtual
geo-modeling for the asteroid terrain characteristics.*
The length of the virtual data telemetry collection period
can be compressed into a simulated rendition of what the
full SAR telemetry stream should consist of.* The server
program could help to establish an SAR mockup of what
the actual conditions would be for a GAMS flyby.

A properly calibrated gamma ray sensor chip converts
the energy of the X-rays to an electric pulse, then
to be preprocessed and stored in a readout chip.
Calibration inputs, measured in fC, are used corres-
ponding to the transition energies generated in
silicon. Picture elements, or pixels, give the x-y
position of the incoming X-ray. Depending on the
digital responsivity and data transfer rate, resolution
is sharpest for Photobit's PB-1024 CMOS image
sensor.

The readout chip would, logically, not be part of
the electronics of the GAMS flyby. The reason for
this is because common pixellated scintillators can-
not resolve energy for tuning the close band fre-
quencies between molecular transition shells.

Signals recieved at the GAMS would consist of two
arrays. The first being an 18 X 20 array of position
sensitive photomultiplier tubes in a 1.5m^2 focal
plane with a position resolution of ~1 X 10^4mm.

The reason for such a small imaging area is so that
individual molecules of precious metal may indicate
the presence of a larger field for mining; also if a
spectacular number of spectrographic hits were to
exceed a count rate approaching approximately one
thousand molecular crystals, a second array con-
sisting of an 18 X 20 array of PSPMT's in a 1.5m^2
focal plane with a position resolution of ~1 X 10^5mm
would continue mapping; and again programmed to lim-
itations similar to the circuitry of the detection
processor described[1].

American

"Mountaineers require a more moderate government, because
*they are less likely to be conquered."

- Montesquieu

[1]

Control Diagnostic Port Configuration

The control diagnostic port accepts data on an RS-232
port which is modeled to accept 64-bit parallel
commands and setup data.* The control interface is
bidirectional RS-232.* The baud rate for robotic
mapping depends on sensor data from on-board pixel
processing, which is in duplex for date and time
stamped spectra.*

Duplex information transmission of the date and time
stamped spectra by using multiple levels of frequency,
phase, and amplitude modulation, the in-packet data
rates can range from 125 bits-per-second (bps) to
750 bps.* Twelve frames of 64 cells each require
transmission of 768 bits per second, so each 11
frames would require less than the maximum allowed
(750) bps for the single in-packet data rate.

What of the sensor input data?* It would be config-
urable to fiber optic transmission just as cable TV
is except that we're talking about a million miles
away in space for the duplexed 3 kHz gamma radar
transmission rate. Therefore, what is needed is
remote transmission that is described from gamma
ray image sensor input similar to enhanced spectro-
meter performance on an ADTS (Advanced Detection
Technology Sensor), a Ka-band SAR sensor and data
recording system.* Is the Ka-band anywhere near the
~16 gigahertz used for mapping transition frequencies
of precious metals?* Telemetry beacons at 20.185 and
20.195 Ghz are used in the Ka-band, as well as max-
imum bandwidth of spacecraft TWTA (Traveling Wave
Tube Amplifier) transmitters as low as 19.2 Ghz.*
It been noted that the Ku-band spectrum is 10-18 GHz.
The U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC)
adopted a First Report & Order, opening up the Ku-
band spectrum (10-18 GHz) to Non Geostationary Orbit
(NGSO) satellite systems (12/18/00), yet the Ka-band
is becoming more popular as demand for higher band-
width increases.* Multiple transmitters, such as
the duplex transmitter suggested for the GAMS map-
ping facility, allow higher data rates up to several
gigabits of data per second.* Stronger signal
strength is also required in order to prevent rain
degradation. Error coding and slower transmission
can help to allieviate this problem.*

TMDA, or time division multiple access, is the same
as that used in terrestrial cellular systems.

On Jan 19, 6:53*am, Tater Gumfries wrote:
On Jan 19, 7:47*am, American wrote:

Part I

Terms That Would be Used in the Technology for Mining
Asteroids are Not Unlike Those Used in Refining Metals
on Earth

Ain't no way that could be profitable. Costs too much to get up and
back.

Tater

I agree, as long as that off-world asteroid mining doesn't exclude our
moon.

However, according to William Mook, it's easy and affordable to go
after asteroids, but only if that excludes having anything whatsoever
to do with our moon or utilizing its L1 or L2, and otherwise only as
long as he's in charge because no one else is even half smart enough.

~ BG

On Jan 19, 11:53*am, Pat Flannery wrote:
On 1/19/2011 6:53 AM, Tater Gumfries wrote:

Terms That Would be Used in the Technology for Mining
Asteroids are Not Unlike Those Used in Refining Metals
on Earth

Ain't no way that could be profitable. Costs too much to get up and
back.

In my plan, we simply drop the asteroids to Earth whole, then extract
the mineral resources from inside the crater they create. This cuts
costs...and I think North Korea would be the ideal place to set up our
asteroid recovery area. ;-)

Pat

You would like killing innocent civilians. No wonder you voted for
Bush and Cheney as often as you could.

~ BG

On Jan 19, 9:33*am, Brad Guth wrote:
William Mook has had all of this covered, and then some.

Why haven't you bothered to mention Mook?

*~ BG

With open-ended entitlement expansion at an all time high, 10 years of
taxes with only 6 years of benefits (subsidies), and 1.2 trillion
expanding to 2.3 trillion in payback owed, nothing but the defrauding
of investors, as well as the taxpayers, is in the pipeline over the
next decade. Who wants to bet that entitlements won't lead to more
people demanding them?

This is not the way that growth should become generated - it is just
the opposite! While Mook's plan to provide cheap and abundant solar
sounds promising, there is a tendency to put the cart before the
horse, when it comes to launching the economy based upon solar power
alone. It is the launch itself that requires the cheap alternative -
not the product that comes after the launch! Mook has addressed this
to some degree, but not enough IMO. The longer this nation waits for a
government program (NASA?) to solve this problem, the more the problem
will exacerbate, so it is time for all of the red tape to be cleared
out of the way, and base the program on what the solid science says.

A program must first become set up on these principles, and then every
attempt to implement the program must be put before a panel of
experts, who can agree on the novel methods used, as well as some
proposed testing. They did this with the original Orion project, but
the project became shut down because of false public perception, while
the side-effects of using "bomblets" became somehow woven into a
nuclear test ban on "bomb" testing in the continental U.S.

Those days are over, and now the "bomblets" can be designed with
nearly harmless side-effects. I'd rather not get into the details of
how it can be done, but you can read about some of these ideas in
either Mook's or my earlier posts. Countless data can be provided on
both the reactants and delivery system of the bomblets, which were
stored in numerous fuel cells around the thrust dome, and delivered to
the combustion chamber magnetohydrodynamically. That was all part of
serious R&D accomplished with the fuel pellet injectors - one had to
choose a frequency that would not coincide with either the highest or
lowest frequencies of the exiter coils, and was chosen to be 9540 Hz
for the first coil and 262 kHz for the last coil.

Mook ended up defaulting to a z-pinch method, which was also discussed
by experimenters at Univ. of Penn. But to this day, no one has come
forward with the cheapest method available, which would seem to
discard a little too much high tech, requiring endless R&D to keep the
"idea" alive, rather than using a more utilitarian approach, as I have
outlined. In the end, I think it's going to be the utilitarian
approach that wins out first, followed by streamlined versions of mass-
produced, magnetoelectric or electrogravitic drives, once the cast has
been set by who can expedite metals with the greatest speed.

American

"We could not raise our eyes to the shining spheres
but kept them turned to mundane things: so Justice
bends them to earth here in this place of tears."

- Dante Alighieri, Pugatorio, 1265 - 1321

On Jan 19, 11:30*am, American wrote:
On Jan 19, 9:33*am, Brad Guth wrote: William Mook has had all of this covered, and then some.

Why haven't you bothered to mention Mook?

*~ BG

With open-ended entitlement expansion at an all time high, 10 years of
taxes with only 6 years of benefits (subsidies), and 1.2 trillion
expanding to 2.3 trillion in payback owed, nothing but the defrauding
of investors, as well as the taxpayers, is in the pipeline over the
next decade. Who wants to bet that entitlements won't lead to more
people demanding them?

This is not the way that growth should become generated - it is just
the opposite! While Mook's plan to provide cheap and abundant solar
sounds promising, there is a tendency to put the cart before the
horse, when it comes to launching the economy based upon solar power
alone. It is the launch itself that requires the cheap alternative -
not the product that comes after the launch! Mook has addressed this
to some degree, but not enough IMO. The longer this nation waits for a
government program (NASA?) to solve this problem, the more the problem
will exacerbate, so it is time for all of the red tape to be cleared
out of the way, and base the program on what the solid science says.

A program must first become set up on these principles, and then every
attempt to implement the program must be put before a panel of
experts, who can agree on the novel methods used, as well as some
proposed testing. They did this with the original Orion project, but
the project became shut down because of false public perception, while
the side-effects of using "bomblets" became somehow woven into a
nuclear test ban on "bomb" testing in the continental U.S.

Those days are over, and now the "bomblets" can be designed with
nearly harmless side-effects. I'd rather not get into the details of
how it can be done, but you can read about some of these ideas in
either Mook's or my earlier posts. Countless data can be provided on
both the reactants and delivery system of the bomblets, which were
stored in numerous fuel cells around the thrust dome, and delivered to
the combustion chamber magnetohydrodynamically. That was all part of
serious R&D accomplished with the fuel pellet injectors - one had to
choose a frequency that would not coincide with either the highest or
lowest frequencies of the exiter coils, and was chosen to be 9540 Hz
for the first coil and 262 kHz for the last coil.

Mook ended up defaulting to a z-pinch method, which was also discussed
by experimenters at Univ. of Penn. But to this day, no one has come
forward with the cheapest method available, which would seem to
discard a little too much high tech, requiring endless R&D to keep the
"idea" alive, rather than using a more utilitarian approach, as I have
outlined. In the end, I think it's going to be the utilitarian
approach that wins out first, followed by streamlined versions of mass-
produced, magnetoelectric or electrogravitic drives, once the cast has
been set by who can expedite metals with the greatest speed.

American

"We could not raise our eyes to the shining spheres
*but kept them turned to mundane things: so Justice
*bends them to earth here in this place of tears."

*- Dante Alighieri, Pugatorio, 1265 - 1321

We could always park those asteroids by smacking them into our moon,
and then using easily established bases on or rather within the moon
to extract and process whatever. At least the delta-V of those
asteroids would become zero with respect to the moon, and using my LSE-
CM/ISS at the Earth-moon L1(Selene L1) would deal with all the rest.

Bombing Earth with chunks of asteroids has potential, but not without
some added degree of risk should anything go the least bit weird on
the final trajectory or in its path.

~ BG

On 1/19/2011 6:53 AM, Tater Gumfries wrote:

Terms That Would be Used in the Technology for Mining
Asteroids are Not Unlike Those Used in Refining Metals
on Earth

Ain't no way that could be profitable. Costs too much to get up and
back.

In my plan, we simply drop the asteroids to Earth whole, then extract
the mineral resources from inside the crater they create. This cuts
costs...and I think North Korea would be the ideal place to set up our
asteroid recovery area. ;-)

Pat

On Jan 19, 11:45*am, Brad Guth wrote:
On Jan 19, 11:30*am, American wrote:





On Jan 19, 9:33*am, Brad Guth wrote: William Mook has had all of this covered, and then some.

Why haven't you bothered to mention Mook?

*~ BG

With open-ended entitlement expansion at an all time high, 10 years of
taxes with only 6 years of benefits (subsidies), and 1.2 trillion
expanding to 2.3 trillion in payback owed, nothing but the defrauding
of investors, as well as the taxpayers, is in the pipeline over the
next decade. Who wants to bet that entitlements won't lead to more
people demanding them?

This is not the way that growth should become generated - it is just
the opposite! While Mook's plan to provide cheap and abundant solar
sounds promising, there is a tendency to put the cart before the
horse, when it comes to launching the economy based upon solar power
alone. It is the launch itself that requires the cheap alternative -
not the product that comes after the launch! Mook has addressed this
to some degree, but not enough IMO. The longer this nation waits for a
government program (NASA?) to solve this problem, the more the problem
will exacerbate, so it is time for all of the red tape to be cleared
out of the way, and base the program on what the solid science says.

A program must first become set up on these principles, and then every
attempt to implement the program must be put before a panel of
experts, who can agree on the novel methods used, as well as some
proposed testing. They did this with the original Orion project, but
the project became shut down because of false public perception, while
the side-effects of using "bomblets" became somehow woven into a
nuclear test ban on "bomb" testing in the continental U.S.

Those days are over, and now the "bomblets" can be designed with
nearly harmless side-effects. I'd rather not get into the details of
how it can be done, but you can read about some of these ideas in
either Mook's or my earlier posts. Countless data can be provided on
both the reactants and delivery system of the bomblets, which were
stored in numerous fuel cells around the thrust dome, and delivered to
the combustion chamber magnetohydrodynamically. That was all part of
serious R&D accomplished with the fuel pellet injectors - one had to
choose a frequency that would not coincide with either the highest or
lowest frequencies of the exiter coils, and was chosen to be 9540 Hz
for the first coil and 262 kHz for the last coil.

Mook ended up defaulting to a z-pinch method, which was also discussed
by experimenters at Univ. of Penn. But to this day, no one has come
forward with the cheapest method available, which would seem to
discard a little too much high tech, requiring endless R&D to keep the
"idea" alive, rather than using a more utilitarian approach, as I have
outlined. In the end, I think it's going to be the utilitarian
approach that wins out first, followed by streamlined versions of mass-
produced, magnetoelectric or electrogravitic drives, once the cast has
been set by who can expedite metals with the greatest speed.

American

"We could not raise our eyes to the shining spheres
*but kept them turned to mundane things: so Justice
*bends them to earth here in this place of tears."

*- Dante Alighieri, Pugatorio, 1265 - 1321

We could always park those asteroids by smacking them into our moon,
and then using easily established bases on or rather within the moon
to extract and process whatever. *At least the delta-V of those

Now your again putting the cart before the horse. If you want to
depend upon a moon base being developed for that purpose alone, you
might as well forget about all of the other reasons that others have
used to add their own "pet projects", without ever considering that
the "driver" for an initiative of this kind is to involve as many
scientists, engineers, and technical personnel as possible. That would
mean a very high return on investment, which means the exploitation of
mineral resources on the asteroids being investigated (NEA's).

If you are using the gravity of the moon to provide the impact
mechanism for "crushing" asteroidal material, then you must also
provide the machinery for further screening, filtering, and retrieval
of the important "primitives" of the regolith, which wouldn't require
any initial SAR "flyby", in order to provide the appropriate gamma ray
spectral signatures on the surface of the asteroid. Instead, you would
have to rely upon a more remote analysis by human scanners on the
surface of the moon, as well as some mechanism that would "steer" the
asteroid from its NEA orbit, into its projected impact area on the
lunar surface.

I don't buy it - it won't work for the simple reason that there are
too many extenuating technological circumstances and dependencies that
would force a mission of this kind into an investment hellhole.
Investors want to hear about precious metal discoveries from the SAR
mapping first, THEN they will be reinforced to continue their
investment in the mission. On the other hand, an SAR mapping with the
right "hits", followed by ban entirely new mission to divert the
asteroid, involves all kinds of technical problems being overcome -
delta V's, strategically setting and detonating nuclear devices for
breaking pieces of the surface of the asteroid, capturing the
material, and then towing it to lunar orbit for impact. Not only the
extraction, but the momentum delivered to the rest of the asteroid
during detonation might not be feasible for asteroids under a few
miles in diameter - most of the asteroids in the databases that I have
found have magnitudes about this size.

asteroids would become zero with respect to the moon, and using my LSE-
CM/ISS at the Earth-moon L1(Selene L1) would deal with all the rest.

Although the idea for an orbital refining facility seems to be the
most logical follow-up to a pre-sifted and spectrographically
signatured group of cannistered material, delivered right from the
borehead of a 15' diameter circular boring machine, the 'moon'
alternative remains that you are also dependent upon re-launching the
regolith mineral primitives again into orbit, which rises in cost to
the amount of primitives delivered, which would most likely have to
come from a larger diameter asteroid, if the strategically planted
nukes were of any consequence.

Bombing Earth with chunks of asteroids has potential, but not without
some added degree of risk should anything go the least bit weird on
the final trajectory or in its path.

Like burning up in the atmosphere?

*~ BG- Hide quoted text -

American

"A thousand may fall at your side,
ten thousand at your right hand,
but it will not come near you."

- Psalm 91:7