Earth's Frame Dragging Verified!

"Closing in on Einstein: Frame-Dragging Clearly Visible

The accuracy of the GP-B experimental results has improved seventeen-
fold since our preliminary results announcement at the American
Physical Society annual meeting in April 2007. At that time, only the
larger, geodetic effect was clearly visible in the data. Over the past
two and one half years, we have made extraordinary progress in
understanding, modeling and removing three Newtonian sources of error—
all due to patch potentials on the gyroscope rotor and housing
surfaces. The latest results, based upon treatment of 1) damped
polhode motion, 2) misalignment torques and 3) roll-polhode resonance
torques, now clearly show both frame-dragging and geodetic precession
in all four gyroscopes (see figure at top right)."

http://einstein.stanford.edu/highlights/status1.html

Double-A

"Double-A" wrote in message
...
"Closing in on Einstein: Frame-Dragging Clearly Visible

The accuracy of the GP-B experimental results has improved seventeen-
fold since our preliminary results announcement at the American
Physical Society annual meeting in April 2007. At that time, only the
larger, geodetic effect was clearly visible in the data. Over the past
two and one half years, we have made extraordinary progress in
understanding, modeling and removing three Newtonian sources of error—
all due to patch potentials on the gyroscope rotor and housing
surfaces. The latest results, based upon treatment of 1) damped
polhode motion, 2) misalignment torques and 3) roll-polhode resonance
torques, now clearly show both frame-dragging and geodetic precession
in all four gyroscopes (see figure at top right)."

http://einstein.stanford.edu/highlights/status1.html

Double-A



In addition to the theory of relativity, does this not also confirm some of
Gordon Wolter's ideas?

--
***** Kiyo
System Commander

Great stuff, AA. Thanks for posting that. Earth's frame dragging (aka
Lense-Thirring effect) is so miniscule it takes ultra-sophisticated
instrumentation to detect it. But imagine the L-T effect of a
millisecond pulsar which spins several hundred revolutions *per
second*. Or of a BH whose spin rate may be far higher yet.
oc

"jughead" wrote in message
...
Great stuff, AA. Thanks for posting that. Earth's frame dragging (aka
Lense-Thirring effect) is so miniscule it takes ultra-sophisticated
instrumentation to detect it. But imagine the L-T effect of a
millisecond pulsar which spins several hundred revolutions *per
second*. Or of a BH whose spin rate may be far higher yet.
oc


Or twin spinning black holes orbiting each other at near light speed.

From 'Mack'..

In addition to the theory of relativity, does this not also confirm some of
Gordon Wolter's ideas?

Actually Wolter was concerned with BHs of high spin rate, where 'frame
dragging' would be extremely pronounced. But it would be space
dragging matter instead of vice-versa. In his model, the spatial
inflow bifurcates in two, aligning to the polar axis. The poles
present the route of least resistance *into* the spinning core mass,
while the centrifugally-repellant equator presents the highest
resistance to entry. The higher the spin rate, the more acutely the
inflows will align to the polar axis. See- http://paine_ellsworth.home.att.net/ocindexpage3.html

Only later did he deal with our familiar monopolar 'local' gravity
where 'frame dragging' is so vanishingly small as to be `functionally`
nonexistant.

On Feb 2, 2:01*pm, Double-A wrote:
"Closing in on Einstein: Frame-Dragging Clearly Visible

The accuracy of the GP-B experimental results has improved seventeen-
fold since our preliminary results announcement at the American
Physical Society annual meeting in April 2007. At that time, only the
larger, geodetic effect was clearly visible in the data. Over the past
two and one half years, we have made extraordinary progress in
understanding, modeling and removing three Newtonian sources of error—
all due to patch potentials on the gyroscope rotor and housing
surfaces. The latest results, based upon treatment of 1) damped
polhode motion, 2) misalignment torques and 3) roll-polhode resonance
torques, now clearly show both frame-dragging and geodetic precession
in all four gyroscopes (see figure at top right)."

http://einstein.stanford.edu/highlights/status1.html

Double-A

In other words, they forced those extremely noisy GP-B results in
order to suit the intent of what our public funding was obligated to
find.

Paramagnetic and diamagnetic properties apply to most molecular
elements (including GP-B gyros), and otherwise photons are affected by
the spin of electrons, as well as photons cause electrons to spin.
The average number of photons/m3 is absolutely huge and not
understood.

~ BG

On Feb 2, 5:03*pm, BradGuth wrote:
On Feb 2, 2:01*pm, Double-A wrote:





"Closing in on Einstein: Frame-Dragging Clearly Visible

The accuracy of the GP-B experimental results has improved seventeen-
fold since our preliminary results announcement at the American
Physical Society annual meeting in April 2007. At that time, only the
larger, geodetic effect was clearly visible in the data. Over the past
two and one half years, we have made extraordinary progress in
understanding, modeling and removing three Newtonian sources of error—
all due to patch potentials on the gyroscope rotor and housing
surfaces. The latest results, based upon treatment of 1) damped
polhode motion, 2) misalignment torques and 3) roll-polhode resonance
torques, now clearly show both frame-dragging and geodetic precession
in all four gyroscopes (see figure at top right)."

http://einstein.stanford.edu/highlights/status1.html

Double-A

In other words, they forced those extremely noisy GP-B results in
order to suit the intent of what our public funding was obligated to
find.

Paramagnetic and diamagnetic properties apply to most molecular
elements (including GP-B gyros), and otherwise photons are affected by
the spin of electrons, as well as photons cause electrons to spin.
The average number of photons/m3 is absolutely huge and not
understood.

*~ BG


Oh Brad, you're such a cynic!

Double-A

On Feb 2, 3:56*pm, "Kiyo" wrote:
"Double-A" wrote in message

...



"Closing in on Einstein: Frame-Dragging Clearly Visible

The accuracy of the GP-B experimental results has improved seventeen-
fold since our preliminary results announcement at the American
Physical Society annual meeting in April 2007. At that time, only the
larger, geodetic effect was clearly visible in the data. Over the past
two and one half years, we have made extraordinary progress in
understanding, modeling and removing three Newtonian sources of error—
all due to patch potentials on the gyroscope rotor and housing
surfaces. The latest results, based upon treatment of 1) damped
polhode motion, 2) misalignment torques and 3) roll-polhode resonance
torques, now clearly show both frame-dragging and geodetic precession
in all four gyroscopes (see figure at top right)."

http://einstein.stanford.edu/highlights/status1.html

Double-A

In addition to the theory of relativity, does this not also confirm some of
Gordon Wolter's ideas?

--
***** Kiyo
System Commander

Perhaps this "frame dragging" is why we can't manage to directly
detect the item of 5060 Mj that's orbiting within the Sirius star/
solar system.

~ BG

On Feb 2, 5:10*pm, Double-A wrote:
On Feb 2, 5:03*pm, BradGuth wrote:



On Feb 2, 2:01*pm, Double-A wrote:

"Closing in on Einstein: Frame-Dragging Clearly Visible

The accuracy of the GP-B experimental results has improved seventeen-
fold since our preliminary results announcement at the American
Physical Society annual meeting in April 2007. At that time, only the
larger, geodetic effect was clearly visible in the data. Over the past
two and one half years, we have made extraordinary progress in
understanding, modeling and removing three Newtonian sources of error—
all due to patch potentials on the gyroscope rotor and housing
surfaces. The latest results, based upon treatment of 1) damped
polhode motion, 2) misalignment torques and 3) roll-polhode resonance
torques, now clearly show both frame-dragging and geodetic precession
in all four gyroscopes (see figure at top right)."

http://einstein.stanford.edu/highlights/status1.html

Double-A

In other words, they forced those extremely noisy GP-B results in
order to suit the intent of what our public funding was obligated to
find.

Paramagnetic and diamagnetic properties apply to most molecular
elements (including GP-B gyros), and otherwise photons are affected by
the spin of electrons, as well as photons cause electrons to spin.
The average number of photons/m3 is absolutely huge and not
understood.

*~ BG

Oh Brad, you're such a cynic!

Double-A

Better a cynic than a parrot. Are you suggesting that photons are
meaningless?

Is Sirius(C) a black hole, or is serious frame-dragging keeping it
stealth?

"Sirius B is invisible to the naked eye but packs almost the entire
mass of our sun into a globe only 4 times as large as the Earth.
Sirius B's surface is 300 times harder than diamonds, while its
interior has a density 3,000 times that of diamonds. Spinning on its
axis about 23 times a minute, it generates huge magnetic fields around
it."

23 rpm (~1878 times faster than our sun) seems fast enough spin to
frame drag like nothing else within hundreds of light years. A new
TRACE could easily get a direct image of Sirius(B), but Sirius(C)
could remain invisible.

~ BG


~ BG

On Feb 2, 5:52*pm, BradGuth wrote:
On Feb 2, 5:10*pm, Double-A wrote:





On Feb 2, 5:03*pm, BradGuth wrote:

On Feb 2, 2:01*pm, Double-A wrote:

"Closing in on Einstein: Frame-Dragging Clearly Visible

The accuracy of the GP-B experimental results has improved seventeen-
fold since our preliminary results announcement at the American
Physical Society annual meeting in April 2007. At that time, only the
larger, geodetic effect was clearly visible in the data. Over the past
two and one half years, we have made extraordinary progress in
understanding, modeling and removing three Newtonian sources of error—
all due to patch potentials on the gyroscope rotor and housing
surfaces. The latest results, based upon treatment of 1) damped
polhode motion, 2) misalignment torques and 3) roll-polhode resonance
torques, now clearly show both frame-dragging and geodetic precession
in all four gyroscopes (see figure at top right)."

http://einstein.stanford.edu/highlights/status1.html

Double-A

In other words, they forced those extremely noisy GP-B results in
order to suit the intent of what our public funding was obligated to
find.

Paramagnetic and diamagnetic properties apply to most molecular
elements (including GP-B gyros), and otherwise photons are affected by
the spin of electrons, as well as photons cause electrons to spin.
The average number of photons/m3 is absolutely huge and not
understood.

*~ BG

Oh Brad, you're such a cynic!

Double-A

Better a cynic than a parrot. *Are you suggesting that photons are
meaningless?

Is Sirius(C) a black hole, or is serious frame-dragging keeping it
stealth?


Bunch of ancient legends. No evidence it exists.


"Sirius B is invisible to the naked eye but packs almost the entire
mass of our sun into a globe only 4 times as large as the Earth.
Sirius B's surface is 300 times harder than diamonds, while its
interior has a density 3,000 times that of diamonds. Spinning on its
axis about 23 times a minute, it generates huge magnetic fields around
it."

23 rpm (~1878 times faster than our sun) seems fast enough spin to
frame drag like nothing else within hundreds of light years.


Merritts a gravity probe! 8.7 light years away. I wonder how fast we
could get one there?


*A new
TRACE could easily get a direct image of Sirius(B), but Sirius(C)
could remain invisible.

*~ BG

Double-A

*~ BG

Double-A