Climate change

It would be impossible for any person to argue against the formal
proof for daily rotation through 360 degrees in 24 hours by virtue of
cause,effect and the set of values contained in the tables which
reflect planetary shape and rotation -

http://www.ncgia.ucsb.edu/education/...s/table02.html

The speed of the transition from daylight to darkness at varying
latitudes would be a noted effect arising from variations is
latitudinal speed .

It is not often that a civilisation wakes up to find that its
scientists cannot determine the length of time it takes the planet to
turn once and that the alternative 'sidereral time' value constitutes
modelling planetary dynamics via timekeeping averages.

As an analogy of a car and the Earth's climate ,the engine for global
climate is the central Sun and its energy while planetary dynamics is
the transmission ,atmospheric composition represents a wheel on the
car.The fact that I have modified the explantion for the seasons
showing the actual role of 'tilt' by making planetary comparisons
should have been enough in itself to put the brakes on this social and
political tyranny of jumping to reckless conclusions to the exclusion
of all else,with the formal proof for daily rotation in 24 hours and
demolishing the reasoning behind the alternative 'sidereal time'
value,this halting mechansim is the first 100% geometric and
scientific certainty in thias wretched affair that begins centuries
ago.

I do not mind that people here disgrace themselves by ignoring a basic
astronomical/terrestrial fact but what you do with yourselves in the
future is no longer my concern.

oriel36 wrote:
It would be impossible for any person to argue against the formal
proof for daily rotation through 360 degrees in 24 hours by virtue of
cause,effect and the set of values contained in the tables which
reflect planetary shape and rotation -

http://www.ncgia.ucsb.edu/education/...s/table02.html

The speed of the transition from daylight to darkness at varying
latitudes would be a noted effect arising from variations is
latitudinal speed .

It is not often that a civilisation wakes up to find that its
scientists cannot determine the length of time it takes the planet to
turn once and that the alternative 'sidereral time' value constitutes
modelling planetary dynamics via timekeeping averages.

As an analogy of a car and the Earth's climate ,the engine for global
climate is the central Sun and its energy while planetary dynamics is
the transmission ,atmospheric composition represents a wheel on the
car.The fact that I have modified the explantion for the seasons
showing the actual role of 'tilt' by making planetary comparisons
should have been enough in itself to put the brakes on this social and
political tyranny of jumping to reckless conclusions to the exclusion
of all else,with the formal proof for daily rotation in 24 hours and
demolishing the reasoning behind the alternative 'sidereal time'
value,this halting mechansim is the first 100% geometric and
scientific certainty in thias wretched affair that begins centuries
ago.

I do not mind that people here disgrace themselves by ignoring a basic
astronomical/terrestrial fact but what you do with yourselves in the
future is no longer my concern.


So, does that pony know any other tricks?


Haiku Jones

On Jul 9, 9:59*am, haiku jones wrote:
oriel36 wrote:

I do not mind that people here disgrace themselves by ignoring a basic
astronomical/terrestrial fact but what you do with yourselves in the
future is no longer my concern.

So, does that pony know any other tricks?

All I know is that oriel36 has apparently despaired of anyone in this
newsgroup recognizing the error of Flamsteed, as he has not posted
here for a few days. Perhaps he will find some other forum in which he
can find more open-minded individuals who have not been brainwashed by
empiricism, as apparently I have been.

John Savard

On Jul 9, 4:59*pm, haiku jones wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
It would be impossible for any person to argue against the formal
proof for daily rotation through 360 degrees in 24 hours by virtue of
cause,effect and the set of values contained in the tables which
reflect planetary shape and rotation -

http://www.ncgia.ucsb.edu/education/...ts/u014/tables...

The *speed of the transition from daylight to darkness at varying
latitudes would be a noted effect arising from variations is
latitudinal speed .

It is not often that a civilisation wakes up to find that its
scientists cannot determine the length of time it takes the planet to
turn once and that the alternative 'sidereral time' value constitutes
modelling planetary dynamics via timekeeping averages.

As an analogy of a car and the Earth's climate *,the engine for global
climate is the central Sun and its energy while *planetary dynamics is
the transmission ,atmospheric composition represents a wheel on the
car.The fact that I have modified the explantion for the seasons
showing the actual role of 'tilt' by making planetary comparisons
should have been enough in itself to put the brakes on this social and
political tyranny of jumping to reckless conclusions to the exclusion
of all else,with the formal proof for daily rotation in 24 hours and
demolishing the reasoning behind the alternative 'sidereal time'
value,this halting mechansim is the first 100% geometric and
scientific certainty in thias wretched affair that begins centuries
ago.

I do not mind that people here disgrace themselves by ignoring a basic
astronomical/terrestrial fact but what you do with yourselves in the
future is no longer my concern.

So, does that pony know any other tricks?

Haiku Jones

It is no exaggeration that none of you can state that the Earth is
round and rotating and regardless of what you think of me or my
intentions,that 'flat Earth/sidereal time ' point of departure is the
only way anybody can claim as a certainty.

The formal proof for daily rotation through 360 degrees is 24 hours
which relies on variations in latitudinal circumference organised
around daily rotation and in terms of the transition from daylight to
darkness was always going to come and with it,the obliteration behind
the reasoning which leads to the 'sidereal time' value.

I do not even give any of you credit for knowing it is finished and
the return of genuine astronomy,the start of something better and the
disgrace which is the present reckless conclusion of carbon dioxide
and climate as an extension of the original reckless conclusion by
Flamsteed based on timekeeping averages and the inversion of
references for daily and orbital motions.

Some people are aware of all the things I have focused on yet I have
the only arguments which make the difference, -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbllT...eature=related

The half baked anti-American,anti-faith commie agenda which amounts to
carbon dioxide linked to global temperature to the exclusion of all
else is a testament to the gross incompetence of people who begin with
a dumb 'fact' for the daily rotation of the Earth.

On Jul 9, 1:02*pm, oriel36 wrote:

It is no exaggeration that none of you can state that the Earth is
round and rotating and regardless of what you think of me or my
intentions,that 'flat Earth/sidereal time ' point of departure is the
only way anybody can claim as a certainty.

It certainly is true that the change in local time with longitude is
evidence that the Earth is round.

And this change adds up to 24 hours as you go around the world and
return to your starting point. It doesn't add up to 23 hours and 56
minutes. That is true.

It may not make sense to you when we say this is a geometric fact;
that local time expresses a geometric relation between one's location
on Earth, the center of the Earth, and the Sun (projected on the plane
of the Earth's equator).

But if that does make sense, perhaps you can also see why it is not
tied to the speed of the Earth's rotation as such.

The Earth, after all, orbits the Sun at the same time as it turns on
its axis. So, if you wait a day, the Earth will not be in the same
orientation when the same place again experiences local noon.
Otherwise, the return of a star would take place in 24 hours.

Again, you have every right to ask: what's the big deal about the
return of a star.

This becomes more technical. The argument for taking the "sidereal
day" as the value of the Earth's rotation is that it removes the
qualification of the Equation of Time. The Earth is too big and heavy
to speed up and slow down over the course of a year, and so regarding
the return of a star, which takes place at genuinely uniform intervals
by a mechanical clock, unlike natural noon, as the proper starting
point lends itself to bringing the motions of the Earth to a clear
understanding.

If you don't find our understanding clear, because it depends on a lot
of fancy mathematics, I can't change that for you. But because we
understand that mathematics, and it's clear to us, we know we aren't
doubting you because we're brainwashed.

John Savard

On Jul 9, 12:02*pm, oriel36 wrote:

It is no exaggeration that none of you can state that the Earth is
round and rotating and regardless of what you think of me or my
intentions,that 'flat Earth/sidereal time ' point of departure is the
only way anybody can claim as a certainty.

The formal proof for daily rotation through 360 degrees is 24 hours
which relies on variations in latitudinal circumference organised
around daily rotation and in terms of the transition from daylight to
darkness was always going to come and with it,the obliteration behind
the reasoning which leads to the 'sidereal time' value.

I do not even give any of you credit for knowing it is finished and
the return of genuine astronomy,the start of something better and the
disgrace which is the present reckless conclusion of carbon dioxide
and climate as an extension of the original reckless conclusion by
Flamsteed based on timekeeping averages and the inversion of
references for daily and orbital motions.

Some people are aware of all the things I have focused on yet I have
the only arguments which make the difference, -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbllT...eature=related

The half baked anti-American,anti-faith commie agenda which amounts to
carbon dioxide linked to global temperature to the exclusion of all
else is a testament to the gross incompetence of people who begin with
a dumb 'fact' for the daily rotation of the Earth.

The statements you make are not facts but rather your opinions, and
according to you, your opinions counts more than a couple of centuries
of evidence by competent living and dead astronomers. You have no
evidence for your views, only your prejudices, even thought there is
strong contradictory evidence for them

You own a cat, don't you...

http://xkcd.com/231/

“To realize that you do not understand is a virtue; Not to realize
that you do not understand is a defect.”
- Lao Tzu

\Paul A

On Jul 9, 10:05*pm, palsing wrote:
On Jul 9, 12:02*pm, oriel36 wrote:





It is no exaggeration that none of you can state that the Earth is
round and rotating and regardless of what you think of me or my
intentions,that 'flat Earth/sidereal time ' point of departure is the
only way anybody can claim as a certainty.

The formal proof for daily rotation through 360 degrees is 24 hours
which relies on variations in latitudinal circumference organised
around daily rotation and in terms of the transition from daylight to
darkness was always going to come and with it,the obliteration behind
the reasoning which leads to the 'sidereal time' value.

I do not even give any of you credit for knowing it is finished and
the return of genuine astronomy,the start of something better and the
disgrace which is the present reckless conclusion of carbon dioxide
and climate as an extension of the original reckless conclusion by
Flamsteed based on timekeeping averages and the inversion of
references for daily and orbital motions.

Some people are aware of all the things I have focused on yet I have
the only arguments which make the difference, -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbllT...eature=related

The half baked anti-American,anti-faith commie agenda which amounts to
carbon dioxide linked to global temperature to the exclusion of all
else is a testament to the gross incompetence of people who begin with
a dumb 'fact' for the daily rotation of the Earth.

The statements you make are not facts but rather your opinions, and
according to you, your opinions counts more than a couple of centuries
of evidence by competent living and dead astronomers. You have no
evidence for your views, only your prejudices, even thought there is
strong contradictory evidence for them

You own a cat, don't you...

http://xkcd.com/231/

“To realize that you do not understand is a virtue; Not to realize
that you do not understand is a defect.”
- Lao Tzu

\Paul A

The idea that the Earth is like an oven and humanity can adjust global
temperature or "limit it to a 2 degree rise" is pretty close to the
notion of 'time travel' and the idea that humanity can control
time,rather than an idiosyncratic view held by a few harmless
people.It was cheerfully announced yesterday by the leaders of the
industralised countries and whether they personally believed it or not
or treated it as an exercise in public relations,that the scientific
community,in tandem with political expediency,could get people on the
planet to this point is far beyond barbaric.

There is nothing remotely close to the crude attempt to make weather
look like climate and then act ,not on human intelligence,but on
mathematical 'models' or have people completely lost their minds and
not learned the lesson when they rely on a basic assumption and run
with it -

http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/17-03/wp_quant

This 21st century tendency to model everything using computers has a
'ground zero' in the late 17th century when they tried to model
planetary dynamics using timekeeping averages hence the basic
assumption of daily rotation through 360 degrees in 24 hours is
ignored for Ra/Dec modelling.

The formal proof for daily rotation in 24 hours is there before
everyone as different latitudinal speeds generate the effect of the
variations in transition from daylight into darkness at different
latitudes yet it shouldn't have to be considered like a 'proof',just
an enjoyable insight with a table of values with different speeds and
planetary geometry to carry the point . I do not talk of insanity,I
talk of something worse - gross mediocrity, laziness and cowardice for
these three have brought, not just astronomy into disrepute but the
entire involvement of humanity in the investigation of celestial and
terrestrial sciences.

oriel36 wrote:
On Jul 9, 4:59 pm, haiku jones wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
It would be impossible for any person to argue against the formal
proof for daily rotation through 360 degrees in 24 hours by virtue of
cause,effect and the set of values contained in the tables which
reflect planetary shape and rotation -

http://www.ncgia.ucsb.edu/education/...ts/u014/tables...

The speed of the transition from daylight to darkness at varying
latitudes would be a noted effect arising from variations is
latitudinal speed .

It is not often that a civilisation wakes up to find that its
scientists cannot determine the length of time it takes the planet to
turn once and that the alternative 'sidereral time' value constitutes
modelling planetary dynamics via timekeeping averages.

As an analogy of a car and the Earth's climate ,the engine for global
climate is the central Sun and its energy while planetary dynamics is
the transmission ,atmospheric composition represents a wheel on the
car.The fact that I have modified the explantion for the seasons
showing the actual role of 'tilt' by making planetary comparisons
should have been enough in itself to put the brakes on this social and
political tyranny of jumping to reckless conclusions to the exclusion
of all else,with the formal proof for daily rotation in 24 hours and
demolishing the reasoning behind the alternative 'sidereal time'
value,this halting mechansim is the first 100% geometric and
scientific certainty in thias wretched affair that begins centuries
ago.

I do not mind that people here disgrace themselves by ignoring a basic
astronomical/terrestrial fact but what you do with yourselves in the
future is no longer my concern.

So, does that pony know any other tricks?

Haiku Jones

It is no exaggeration that none of you can state that the Earth is
round and rotating and regardless of what you think of me or my
intentions,that 'flat Earth/sidereal time ' point of departure is the
only way anybody can claim as a certainty.

The formal proof for daily rotation through 360 degrees is 24 hours
which relies on variations in latitudinal circumference organised
around daily rotation and in terms of the transition from daylight to
darkness was always going to come and with it,the obliteration behind
the reasoning which leads to the 'sidereal time' value.

I do not even give any of you credit for knowing it is finished and
the return of genuine astronomy,the start of something better and the
disgrace which is the present reckless conclusion of carbon dioxide
and climate as an extension of the original reckless conclusion by
Flamsteed based on timekeeping averages and the inversion of
references for daily and orbital motions.

Some people are aware of all the things I have focused on yet I have
the only arguments which make the difference, -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbllT...eature=related



The half baked anti-American,anti-faith commie agenda which amounts to
carbon dioxide linked to global temperature to the exclusion of all
else is a testament to the gross incompetence of people who begin with
a dumb 'fact' for the daily rotation of the Earth.

Um. so anyone who subscribes to the concept of sidereal time
is ipso facto a traitorous religion-bashing Communist eco-terrorist?

I had not realized that.

Haiku Jones

On Jul 9, 11:37*pm, oriel36 wrote:

The idea that the Earth is like an oven and humanity can adjust global
temperature or "limit it to a 2 degree rise"

Humans appear to be doing things that are causing average global
temperatures to increase. They can mend their ways; acknowledging the
need for that is not hubris.

The formal proof for daily rotation in 24 hours is there before
everyone as different latitudinal speeds generate the effect of the
variations in transition from daylight into darkness at different
latitudes yet it shouldn't have to be considered like a 'proof',just
an enjoyable insight with a table of values with different speeds and
planetary geometry to carry the point .

I remember reading about someone who claimed that pi was exactly equal
to 3 1/8 or some other wrong value. In the book explaining his "great
discovery", he multiplied the diameters of a large number of circles
of different sizes by 3 1/8, showing that his value for pi worked
consistently. It was pointed out that this proved nothing.

Just as that was silly, multiplying 69.17 miles per hour, or any other
value, by the cosines of various latitudes will of course be
consistent regardless of the actual speed at which the Earth rotates.

John Savard