Re: MD History Talk, Roger Launius, "NASA: From the Past to the Future"

[LooseChanj]

On or about 7 Aug 2003 04:46:17 GMT, rk >
made the sensational claim that:
> Join NASM Historian Dr. Roger Launius for this special History
> Colloquium, "NASA: From the Past to the Future," and the official
> dedication of the Bldg.3 Auditorium in honor of Goddard's first Center
> Director Dr. Harry Goett.

I've noticed that we tend to see things like "Bldg.3" and "Bldg.1" at centers
other than KSC. Everything here is letters, with at least some descriptive
value. Whazzamadda, no creativity? OH and while I'm KSC boosting, I'll
mention KSC leads in # of patents, at least as of a couple years ago.
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[Herb Schaltegger]

In article >,
LooseChanj > wrote:

> On or about 7 Aug 2003 04:46:17 GMT, rk >
> made the sensational claim that:
> > Join NASM Historian Dr. Roger Launius for this special History
> > Colloquium, "NASA: From the Past to the Future," and the official
> > dedication of the Bldg.3 Auditorium in honor of Goddard's first Center
> > Director Dr. Harry Goett.
>
> I've noticed that we tend to see things like "Bldg.3" and "Bldg.1" at centers
> other than KSC. Everything here is letters, with at least some descriptive
> value. Whazzamadda, no creativity? OH and while I'm KSC boosting, I'll
> mention KSC leads in # of patents, at least as of a couple years ago.

MSFC follows military convention (it does sit on and is totally
encompassed by Redstone Arsenal, after all). All the building, every
damned one of them, is known first by its four-digit number: "Building
4755", "Building 4610", etc.

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[Curtis Emerson]

> In article >,
> LooseChanj > wrote:
>
> > On or about 7 Aug 2003 04:46:17 GMT, rk >
> > made the sensational claim that:
> > > Join NASM Historian Dr. Roger Launius for this special History
> > > Colloquium, "NASA: From the Past to the Future," and the official
> > > dedication of the Bldg.3 Auditorium in honor of Goddard's first Center
> > > Director Dr. Harry Goett.
> >
> > I've noticed that we tend to see things like "Bldg.3" and "Bldg.1" at
centers
> > other than KSC. Everything here is letters, with at least some descriptive
> > value. Whazzamadda, no creativity?

Every building at Goddard has a text description, but this refers to the
original purpose of the facility and not its current use. And few would be of
help in pointing you to "Central Flight Control & Range Installation Building".

See pg. 8 in the phone book for the key.

Curtis

[Derek Lyons]

Herb Schaltegger > wrote:
>MSFC follows military convention (it does sit on and is totally
>encompassed by Redstone Arsenal, after all). All the building, every
>damned one of them, is known first by its four-digit number: "Building
>4755", "Building 4610", etc.

Worse yet, the numbers follow no rhyme or reason....

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[LooseChanj]

On or about 7 Aug 2003 05:44:35 GMT, rk >
made the sensational claim that:
> How many buildings at KSC? I was only there once and that was back in
> '89.

KSC is divided into two sections, the LC-39 area (which everyone calls the
north end), and the "industrial area", where the HQ, O&C, and SSPF are located.
LC-39 has the VAB of course, OPFs, OSB, ARF, and the logistics building. The
industrial area has the BOB, CIF, HQ, O&C, and SSPF. Plus all the assorted
trailers and little things like the press building with the redstone and the
HMF. There's stuff all over, and even quite a bit on the air farce side.
When I went for the Columbia debris viewing, I noticed they're building new
gates and guard shacks. There's supposed to be a science park of sorts as well,
so they can move all the life sciences stuff out of a hangar. For those with
a copy of Marooned, the shot where a helicopter is carrying the XRV, that's NASA
causeway, and you can just catch Hangar L, which is where a lot of the life
science stuff is, or was 2-3 years ago. There's a gate there between KSC and
the AFS now.
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[Scott Hedrick]

"Derek Lyons" > wrote in message
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> Worse yet, the numbers follow no rhyme or reason....

Is to confuse Russkie spies, nyet?
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[Mary Shafer]

On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 21:17:40 GMT, (Derek Lyons)
wrote:

> Herb Schaltegger > wrote:
> >MSFC follows military convention (it does sit on and is totally
> >encompassed by Redstone Arsenal, after all). All the building, every
> >damned one of them, is known first by its four-digit number: "Building
> >4755", "Building 4610", etc.
>
> Worse yet, the numbers follow no rhyme or reason....

Dryden's do; they indicate the age of the building. The oldest is
4800 and the newest is something like 4879. The problem is that age
isn't immediately obvious unless you've been around forever and can
remember when something was built.

Mary

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[Derek Lyons]

Mary Shafer > wrote:

>On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 21:17:40 GMT, (Derek Lyons)
>wrote:
>
>> Herb Schaltegger > wrote:
>> >MSFC follows military convention (it does sit on and is totally
>> >encompassed by Redstone Arsenal, after all). All the building, every
>> >damned one of them, is known first by its four-digit number: "Building
>> >4755", "Building 4610", etc.
>>
>> Worse yet, the numbers follow no rhyme or reason....
>
>Dryden's do; they indicate the age of the building. The oldest is
>4800 and the newest is something like 4879. The problem is that age
>isn't immediately obvious unless you've been around forever and can
>remember when something was built.

Never saw anything like at any of the naval bases I was at...

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[Derek Lyons]

Mary Shafer > wrote:

>On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 06:55:09 -0500, Herb Schaltegger
> wrote:
>
>> MSFC follows military convention (it does sit on and is totally
>> encompassed by Redstone Arsenal, after all). All the building, every
>> damned one of them, is known first by its four-digit number: "Building
>> 4755", "Building 4610", etc.
>
>Ditto Dryden Flight Research Center. We're a tenant organization at
>Edwards AFB. The Main Building is Bldg 4800, for example, and the
>RAIF is 4840. Some of the buildings have official names (mostly
>ending in "Facility") but not all. They all have descriptive names,
>some of which match the official names.

Heh. On a military base it's a frequent occurence that the 'name' is
an impenetrable acronym or contraction. (I spent a lot of time at the
FLEBALMISUBTRACEN, which contraction was frequently further contracted
to an acronym; FBMSTC.)

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[Mary Shafer]

On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 08:44:05 GMT, (Derek Lyons)
wrote:

> Mary Shafer > wrote:

> >Dryden's do; they indicate the age of the building. The oldest is
> >4800 and the newest is something like 4879. The problem is that age
> >isn't immediately obvious unless you've been around forever and can
> >remember when something was built.

> Never saw anything like at any of the naval bases I was at...

There's probably a multi-century tradition that the Navy follows.
Dryden is on an Air Force base.

Mary
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[Scott Hedrick]

"Mary Shafer" > wrote in message
...
> There's probably a multi-century tradition that the Navy follows.
> Dryden is on an Air Force base.

We love you anyway, in spite of this terrible character flaw.
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[David Lesher]

(Derek Lyons) writes:

>Herb Schaltegger > wrote:
>>MSFC follows military convention (it does sit on and is totally
>>encompassed by Redstone Arsenal, after all). All the building, every
>>damned one of them, is known first by its four-digit number: "Building
>>4755", "Building 4610", etc.

>Worse yet, the numbers follow no rhyme or reason....

At LeRC the numbers were issued in order of construction....
at least for new buildings. Existing ones such as Guerin House
I donno; I suspect someone assigned numbers way back when...

So adjacent buildings have wildly different numbers. And then
there's the 10x10 vs the 8x6 tunnels...

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[Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)]

"Derek Lyons" > wrote in message
...
> Herb Schaltegger > wrote:
> >MSFC follows military convention (it does sit on and is totally
> >encompassed by Redstone Arsenal, after all). All the building, every
> >damned one of them, is known first by its four-digit number: "Building
> >4755", "Building 4610", etc.
>
> Worse yet, the numbers follow no rhyme or reason....

I determined years ago that at RPI very few of the buildings actually had
their main entrence on the first floor.

It made getting to class interesting.

One building I was told to report to the 4th floor for my workstudy. I
stood outside looking at it and swore I only saw three stories worth of
windows.

Another building has 3 entrances. I think ONE is on the floor marked 1 and
it's the least used. And to get between to major sections of the building
you normally have to go through a classroom.

My guess is, it's really an intelligence test. You might be smart enough to
get INTO RPI. But are you really smart enough to find your classroom (like
Sage 3705... good luck.)


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[Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)]

"Derek Lyons" > wrote in message
...
> Heh. On a military base it's a frequent occurence that the 'name' is
> an impenetrable acronym or contraction. (I spent a lot of time at the
> FLEBALMISUBTRACEN, which contraction was frequently further contracted
> to an acronym; FBMSTC.)

Hmm, going on memory:

Fleet Ballistic Missile Submarine Training Center?


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[OM]

On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 22:26:55 GMT, (Derek Lyons)
wrote:

>"Greg D. Moore \(Moron\)" > wrote:
>
>>"Derek Lyons" wrote.
>>> Heh. On a military base it's a frequent occurence that the 'name' is
>>> an impenetrable acronym or contraction. (I spent a lot of time at the
>>> FLEBALMISUBTRACEN, which contraction was frequently further contracted
>>> to an acronym; FBMSTC.)
>>
>>Fleet Ballistic Missile Submarine Training Center?
>
>Bang on in one :)

....Almost as bad as CINCUSNAVEUR :-P


OM

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