Re: Surveyor and Moon Hoax (serious)

[Brad Guth]

A white moon suit is roughly 85% reflective.

Since the surface of the moon isn't absolute (only an average of 10%
reflective), therefore other references are not required to be
absolute, even though you and I can walk right up to and take direct
measurements off an actual moon suit is sort of hard to reject.

White is white and hot illumination spots are "hot illumination
spots", where all the numbers in the world will not alter the
reference to what the astronauts brought with then as opposed to what
the natural surrounding are indicating.

Standard KODAK film has officially posted limits, with real world
results that you can take home. Hasselblad will fill in the blanks,
that is if either of them dare.

BTW; you're not the only Borg in the universe.

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That's sort of hard to do that if "You have been banned from this
forum"

Apparently "GUTH Venus has become way too hot for even Bad Astronomy".
However, this is what I first posted that obviously blew their fuse;

Subject/title: "Venus supports other life NOT as we know it"

In spite of my dyslexia and inabilities to tolerate those solely
intent upon destroying whatever's not there idea; first of all, this
topic is not of any mere idea, it's not a conjecture based upon
another black hole of nothingness, but of what can be seen unless
you're restricted to braille format, as there's been life NOT as we
know it and perhaps (most likely) surviving on Venus and, I sincerely
believe we (that's you and I) can sufficiently prove that point, at
least a whole lot better off than you or I can prove we've been to and
walked on the moon.
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/update-187.htm


Perhaps it had a little something to do with my space radiation page
that's not exactly favorable for supporting those Apollo missions:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/space-radiation.htm

or regarding the Boeing/TRW ABL laser cannon thing, taking practice
shots at a certain shuttle:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/boeing/trw.htm

or of what other has been recently added and improved that's stashed
away on my good old update page:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/update-187.htm

[Jay Windley]

"Brad Guth" > wrote in message
om...
|
| Standard KODAK film has officially posted limits

.... which are

(1) calibrated for earth use, incorporating sky scatter; and
(2) merely suggestions from which most actual photographers depart from on a
regular basis based on experience and experimentation.

| Hasselblad will fill in the blanks, that is if either
| of them dare.

Hasselblad (i.e., the oft [mis]quoted Jan Lundberg) are not the ultimate
experts in photographic exposure. They do not "fill in the blanks". The
blanks were filled in by NASA photo experts who trained the astronauts.

| BTW; you're not the only Borg in the universe.
|
| Bad Astronomy Bulletin Board http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB
| Discuss Bad Astronomy here!
|
| That's sort of hard to do that if "You have been banned from this
| forum"

Oh, boo hoo. So some webmaster decided not to put up with your evasion and
drivel. Get over it.

| Apparently "GUTH Venus has become way too hot for even Bad
| Astronomy".

No, simply too trollish. Bad Astronomy has zero tolerance for trolls.

--
|
The universe is not required to conform | Jay Windley
to the expectations of the ignorant. | webmaster @ clavius.org

[Gordon Davie]

Kevin Willoughby wrote:
> Jay Windley said:
>> "Brad Guth" > wrote in message
>
> I missed the original post. Guth is in my every growing killfile.
>
>
>>> Please explain how the average lunar surface reflective index
>>> offered more than 50% in such a large number of Apollo images,
>>> those having a white moon suit and/or portion of something metallic
>>> as absolute reference.
>>
>> Please show the computations by which you arrived at a reflective
>> index of 50%. Please explain how you can use "something metallic"
>> or "a white moon suit" as an absolute reference without accounting
>> for exposure settings in the camera, gamma values in the creation of
>> the JPEG, and monitor gamut.
>
> It *is* possible to use the suit as a reference, much the way
> photographers have used grey cards as references for many years. (In
> fact, photographers who are more engineer-wannabe than artist-wannabe
> can spent a lot of time photographing 18% grey cards. I know of no
> subject with less visual interest than a grey card!)

You haven't read Maxson's book then?
--
Gordon Davie
Edinburgh, Scotland

"Slipped the surly bonds of Earth...to touch the face of God"

[OM]

On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 19:41:37 +0000 (UTC), "Gordon Davie"
> wrote:

>You haven't read Maxson's book then?

....Of course not. Most people like their toilet paper fresh and
unused.


OM

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[Kevin Willoughby]

Gordon Davie said:
> Kevin Willoughby wrote:
> > It *is* possible to use the suit as a reference, much the way
> > photographers have used grey cards as references for many years.[...]
>
> You haven't read Maxson's book then?

Nope. There are several books on my living room coffee table. Maxson's
isn't on the stack.
--
Kevin Willoughby

We'd spend the remaining time trying to fix the engine.
-- Neil Armstrong

[OM]

On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:49:50 -0400, Kevin Willoughby
> wrote:

>Gordon Davie said:
>> Kevin Willoughby wrote:
>> > It *is* possible to use the suit as a reference, much the way
>> > photographers have used grey cards as references for many years.[...]
>>
>> You haven't read Maxson's book then?
>
>Nope. There are several books on my living room coffee table. Maxson's
>isn't on the stack.

....Did you try looking on the toilet paper holder in the bathroom?


OM

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his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms
poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society

- General George S. Patton, Jr

[Brad Guth]

For those interested other than Borg Jay;

There's a whole lot of flak ongoing about space radiation, about
secondary radiation, about spacecraft interior radiation, film
fogging, L4/L5 and subsequently lunar surface radiation and, of all
sorts of other nasty flak pertaining to those Apollo missions. I
wonder why all the big guns???

"Moon hoax as American as apple pie"

http://guthvenus.tripod.com/space-radiation.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/moon-sar.htm

Regards, Brad Guth / IEIS http://guthvenus.tripod.com

[Paul F. Dietz]

Brad Guth wrote:

> I wonder why all the big guns???

Don't try to think about it, Brad. Your brain isn't very
good at thinking.

Paul

[Brad Guth]

"Paul F. Dietz" > wrote in message >...
> Brad Guth wrote:
>
> > I wonder why all the big guns???
>
> Don't try to think about it, Brad. Your brain isn't very
> good at thinking.
>
> Paul

Moon or Venus, it's become one or the other but not both

This little tit for tat that's ongoing over whether or not we've been
to and walked on the moon is not so much about my having to prove that
we didn't, as it's having to do with the fact, that for the life of
myself and for the love of God I can't seem to prove we ever did.
Taking someone others word for it is hardly sufficient, especially
when the pro-Apollo side has all the ulterior motives, certainly the
means and the opportunity to boot.

The information on the pro side is either entirely NASA orchestrated
and/or moderated to death by NASA, or defended by their external army
of Borgs. Whereas their own numbers no longer compute, just as they
forgot about film fogging and had to quickly devise upon and
subsequently stick with a much lesser radiation dosage in order to
cover that little OOPS oversight. These damage control Borgs have been
suggesting that our government, especially NASA, never lies; well
folks, that's certainly a damn lie if there ever was.

There's still no film footage of any astronaut pilotted test lander
that was gravity scaled to match lunar down-range and landing criteria
and conditions. The radiation dosage of averaging 20 mrem/day is
simply too far below what's possible if considering the degree of
shielding involved, not to mention those raw EVA's. The illumination
reflective index shift of nearly 50% is hardly anything like that
viewed from Earth or of being Hubble viewed as 10% average lunar
reflective index. The survey photography is another bloody joke, with
never a star imaged in any terrain exposure that a 10% lunar surface
shouldn't have entirely compromised.

The fact that folks like Jay Windley have had to resort to
discrediting the likes of Hasselblad and even Kodak, is just another
good set of examples of their devoted Borg like "spin" and "damage
control".

Jay Windley;
"Hasselblad (i.e., the oft [mis]quoted Jan Lundberg) are not the
ultimate
experts in photographic exposure. They do not "fill in the blanks".
The
blanks were filled in by NASA photo experts who trained the
astronauts."

As far as I can tell, if those astronauts had any NASA photography
training, it certainly wasn't of survey by photography, nor of camera
and film usage training.

For those interested, other than the likes of Borg OM, Jay or Joe
Durnavich;

There's been a whole lot of flak ongoing about space radiation, about
secondary radiation, about spacecraft interior radiation, film
fogging, of what at L4/L5 and subsequently lunar surface radiation
and, of all sorts of other nasty flak pertaining to those Apollo
missions. I wonder why all the big guns???

Subject: "Moon hoax as American as apple pie"

http://guthvenus.tripod.com/space-radiation.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/moon-sar.htm

All of this tit for tat simply because I wanted to learn to know;
what's the environment at Earth L4/L5, so that I could better
extrapolate upon what Venus L2 could be like.

In time there'll be a number of updates to come, hopefully some new
ideas as to what we can do about the Venus opportunities, or at least
Venus L2, instead of wasting time, bother and resources over trying to
exhume the carcass of a very smelly Apollo dead horse.

Regards, Brad Guth / IEIS http://guthvenus.tripod.com