Re: Pappy Sets the Record Straight on 51-L

[Roger Balettie]

"Jon Berndt" > wrote:
> CASE CLOSED

Outstanding work, Jon. This should be considered required reading for any
new sci.space.* visitors.

Please add to your web review at: http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsb/conspiracy.html

My web review of "Betrayal" can be found at:
http://home.austin.rr.com/sts51lvideo/

Roger
--
Roger Balettie
former Flight Dynamics Officer
Space Shuttle Mission Control
http://www.balettie.com/

[John Maxson]

Roger Balettie > wrote in message
. ..
>
> Outstanding work, Jon.

It's a load of Texas steer manure, as always, **Lockheed style**.

--
John Thomas Maxson, Retired Engineer (Aerospace)
Author, The Betrayal of Mission 51-L (www.mission51l.com)

[John Maxson]

In late October 1987, AF Col. Ed O'Connor (who directed the
51-L debris recovery) confirmed an in-cloud booster crossing.

===========================================
DANIEL MAXSON: Do the SRBs -- or did they -- cross in
the clouds?
COL. ED O'CONNOR: Ya, the feeling is they did. What
happened is when the aft fixture failed, that SRB rotated out.
So that's why the thrust would force it to *cross* -- after the
*forward* section failed -- cross the path of the other which
was still *attached*!
DANIEL MAXSON: Ya but -- but they were held *together*.
I was told by a NASA expert the SRBs were held together by a
big *ring* of the thrust structure of the external tank. Otherwise
they would have immediately exited the cloud. And that they
went maybe a half-second held together by some kind of an ET
*ring* frame.
COL. ED O'CONNOR: Well, there's *two* things that holds it
together. At the *rear* there's a heavy ring for attachment, and
that's where the *failure* occurred, heating one of those struts
that holds them together and then *ripping* the rest of it out. In
the *top* structure, there's a thrust *beam* that goes through
the intertank area. There's some *ancillary* stuff there. The
forward *held* for a little bit.
DANIEL MAXSON: And it allowed them to cross.
COL. ED O'CONNOR: Ya.
DANIEL MAXSON: Okay.
===========================================

[Given probable cause, a federal judge can order an 'in camera'
inspection of classified (in this case SENSITIVE) film data.]

--
John Thomas Maxson, Retired Engineer (Aerospace)
Author, The Betrayal of Mission 51-L (www.mission51l.com)


Jon Berndt > wrote in message
...
>
> Is that the way they do it in Iowa? Step in "it"; open mouth;
> insert foot?

[John Maxson]

In late October 1987, AF Col. Ed O'Connor (who directed the
51-L debris recovery) confirmed an in-cloud booster crossing.

===========================================
DANIEL MAXSON: Do the SRBs -- or did they -- cross in
the clouds?
COL. ED O'CONNOR: Ya, the feeling is they did. What
happened is when the aft fixture failed, that SRB rotated out.
So that's why the thrust would force it to *cross* -- after the
*forward* section failed -- cross the path of the other which
was still *attached*!
DANIEL MAXSON: Ya but -- but they were held *together*.
I was told by a NASA expert the SRBs were held together by a
big *ring* of the thrust structure of the external tank. Otherwise
they would have immediately exited the cloud. And that they
went maybe a half-second held together by some kind of an ET
*ring* frame.
COL. ED O'CONNOR: Well, there's *two* things that holds it
together. At the *rear* there's a heavy ring for attachment, and
that's where the *failure* occurred, heating one of those struts
that holds them together and then *ripping* the rest of it out. In
the *top* structure, there's a thrust *beam* that goes through
the intertank area. There's some *ancillary* stuff there. The
forward *held* for a little bit.
DANIEL MAXSON: And it allowed them to cross.
COL. ED O'CONNOR: Ya.
DANIEL MAXSON: Okay.
===========================================

[Given probable cause, a federal judge can order an 'in camera'
inspection of classified (in this case SENSITIVE) film data.]

--
John Thomas Maxson, Retired Engineer (Aerospace)
Author, The Betrayal of Mission 51-L (www.mission51l.com)


Jorge R. Frank > wrote in message
...
>
> It's the sound of a John Thomas being swatted across the snout
> with the rolled-up newspaper of Truth.

[Charleston]

"John Maxson" > wrote in message
...

> In late October 1987, AF Col. Ed O'Connor (who directed the
> 51-L debris recovery) confirmed an in-cloud booster crossing.

I am just wondering if Colonel O Connor ever saw the original film.

<snip pickled red herring>

> [Given probable cause, a federal judge can order an 'in camera'
> inspection of classified (in this case SENSITIVE) film data.]

And if some federal judge did see the film and told you that you were wrong,
that judge would join the ever growing list of conspiritors right?

> --
> John Thomas Maxson, Retired Engineer (Aerospace)
> Author, The Betrayal of Mission 51-L (www.mission51l.com)

[John Maxson]

In late October 1987, AF Col. Ed O'Connor (who directed the
51-L debris recovery) confirmed an in-cloud booster crossing.

===========================================
DANIEL MAXSON: Do the SRBs -- or did they -- cross in
the clouds?
COL. ED O'CONNOR: Ya, the feeling is they did. What
happened is when the aft fixture failed, that SRB rotated out.
So that's why the thrust would force it to *cross* -- after the
*forward* section failed -- cross the path of the other which
was still *attached*!
DANIEL MAXSON: Ya but -- but they were held *together*.
I was told by a NASA expert the SRBs were held together by a
big *ring* of the thrust structure of the external tank. Otherwise
they would have immediately exited the cloud. And that they
went maybe a half-second held together by some kind of an ET
*ring* frame.
COL. ED O'CONNOR: Well, there's *two* things that holds it
together. At the *rear* there's a heavy ring for attachment, and
that's where the *failure* occurred, heating one of those struts
that holds them together and then *ripping* the rest of it out. In
the *top* structure, there's a thrust *beam* that goes through
the intertank area. There's some *ancillary* stuff there. The
forward *held* for a little bit.
DANIEL MAXSON: And it allowed them to cross.
COL. ED O'CONNOR: Ya.
DANIEL MAXSON: Okay.
===========================================

[Given probable cause, a federal judge can order an 'in camera'
inspection of classified (in this case SENSITIVE) film data.]

--
John Thomas Maxson, Retired Engineer (Aerospace)
Author, The Betrayal of Mission 51-L (www.mission51l.com)


Charleston > wrote
in message news:xA1Ua.38902$zy.2388@fed1read06...
<snipped the snot>

[Charleston]

"John Maxson" > wrote in message
...

> In late October 1987, AF Col. Ed O'Connor (who directed the
> 51-L debris recovery) confirmed an in-cloud booster crossing....

Did you read Doug's post about psychosis? You know you don't have to prove
him right, but you are doing just that. You know the lack of quotes is what
gave it away;-)

>
> ===========================================
> DANIEL MAXSON: Do the SRBs -- or did they -- cross in
> the clouds?
> COL. ED O'CONNOR: Ya, the feeling is they did. What
> happened is when the aft fixture failed, that SRB rotated out.
> So that's why the thrust would force it to *cross* -- after the
> *forward* section failed -- cross the path of the other which
> was still *attached*!
> DANIEL MAXSON: Ya but -- but they were held *together*.
> I was told by a NASA expert the SRBs were held together by a
> big *ring* of the thrust structure of the external tank. Otherwise
> they would have immediately exited the cloud. And that they
> went maybe a half-second held together by some kind of an ET
> *ring* frame.
> COL. ED O'CONNOR: Well, there's *two* things that holds it
> together. At the *rear* there's a heavy ring for attachment, and
> that's where the *failure* occurred, heating one of those struts
> that holds them together and then *ripping* the rest of it out. In
> the *top* structure, there's a thrust *beam* that goes through
> the intertank area. There's some *ancillary* stuff there. The
> forward *held* for a little bit.
> DANIEL MAXSON: And it allowed them to cross.
> COL. ED O'CONNOR: Ya.
> DANIEL MAXSON: Okay.
> ===========================================

--

Daniel
Mount Charleston, not Charleston, SC

[John Maxson]

===========================================
> > DANIEL MAXSON: Do the SRBs -- or did they -- cross in
> > the clouds?
> > COL. ED O'CONNOR: Ya, the feeling is they did. What
> > happened is when the aft fixture failed, that SRB rotated out.
> > So that's why the thrust would force it to *cross* -- after the
> > *forward* section failed -- cross the path of the other which
> > was still *attached*!
> > DANIEL MAXSON: Ya but -- but they were held *together*.
> > I was told by a NASA expert the SRBs were held together by a
> > big *ring* of the thrust structure of the external tank. Otherwise
> > they would have immediately exited the cloud. And that they
> > went maybe a half-second held together by some kind of an ET
> > *ring* frame.
> > COL. ED O'CONNOR: Well, there's *two* things that holds it
> > together. At the *rear* there's a heavy ring for attachment, and
> > that's where the *failure* occurred, heating one of those struts
> > that holds them together and then *ripping* the rest of it out. In
> > the *top* structure, there's a thrust *beam* that goes through
> > the intertank area. There's some *ancillary* stuff there. The
> > forward *held* for a little bit.
> > DANIEL MAXSON: And it allowed them to cross.
> > COL. ED O'CONNOR: Ya.
> > DANIEL MAXSON: Okay.
> > ===========================================

--
John Thomas Maxson, Retired Engineer (Aerospace)
Author, The Betrayal of Mission 51-L (www.mission51l.com)


Charleston > wrote
in message news:v%2Ua.39792$zy.12003@fed1read06...
>
> Did you read Doug's post about psychosis?

Do you read?

[Kent Betts]

"ON NASA ORIGINAL FILMS: In the original film you see the lower rocket
*does* have a ring and the ring on the upper rocket is caused by a shadow
thrown by the sun on a displaced frustrum creating a black shadow that
indeed looks like the black stripe."

> "John Maxson
> > It's a load of Texas steer manure, as always. Thanks Maxson, and **** you.

This aspect of the "crossing" wordage always intrigued me.....the stripe thing.
A few months ago I looked at the photo evidence and determined that the photo
was poor, but that it was possible to determine, that the so-called wide stripe
was not there.....that the stripes were where they were supposed to be.

>John Berndt
>"After viewing the original NASA film at the Cape, Pappy and the other
i>ndividual[s] there viewing the film smiled and nodded in agreement that the
>SRBs had NOT crossed. "

Good. It was a silly idea to start with.

[Jon Berndt]

"Roger Balettie" > wrote in message news:BX%

> "Jon Berndt" > wrote:
> > CASE CLOSED
>
> Outstanding work, Jon. This should be considered required reading for any
> new sci.space.* visitors.
>
> Please add to your web review at:
http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsb/conspiracy.html
>
> My web review of "Betrayal" can be found at:
> http://home.austin.rr.com/sts51lvideo/
>
> Roger


Yep ... it will end up there.

Jon