Log in

View Full Version : Re: M&M fix?


Heinrich Zinndorf-Linker
July 12th 03, 02:56 PM
Am 8 Jul 2003 11:27:08 -0700 schrieb "TVDad Jim":

>I'm mostly a bonehead on engineering structures, but something occurs
>to me that seems obvious as a fix for the foam-impact problem.
>
>The first few shuttle launches had the ET painted white. This was
>discontinued due to weight and cost savings, I believe (much like
>American Airlines stopped painting its planes in the late 60's).

As of my knowledge, there were two different types of tanks flown by
the shuttle (take the white painted as a third, if you like). The
original type had a relatively thick spray-on foam insulation, that
was "relatively" heavy but stable (the white paint added more weight
and was soon left away).

Somewhen they began to develop a lighter tank version to increase the
shuttle's payload capacity. And that included a machining process to
make te insulation thinner (and lighter), But I think, that removal of
the "natural" surface did weaken the tank insulation somewhat too
much.

It is known, that the insulation fall-off problem did arise when Nasa
began to use the lightened tanks - and that the problematic was well
known (they evaluated it by cameras mounted in the boosters of some
missions). But it was judged as being under control. What a shame...

cu, ZiLi aka HKZL (Heinrich Zinndorf-Linker)
--
/"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign
\ /
http://zili.de X No HTML in
/ \ email & news

Hallerb
July 12th 03, 03:08 PM
>
>As of my knowledge, there were two different types of tanks flown by
>the shuttle (take the white painted as a third, if you like). The
>original type had a relatively thick spray-on foam insulation, that
>was "relatively" heavy but stable

The thinner tanks tended to peel easier. I read it was caused by the lighter
tanks having more vibration.

Heinrich Zinndorf-Linker
July 12th 03, 09:52 PM
Am 12 Jul 2003 14:08:51 GMT schrieb "Hallerb":

>>As of my knowledge, there were two different types of tanks flown by
>>the shuttle (take the white painted as a third, if you like). The
>>original type had a relatively thick spray-on foam insulation, that
>>was "relatively" heavy but stable
>
>The thinner tanks tended to peel easier. I read it was caused by the lighter
>tanks having more vibration.

Yes, as of my knowledge that was one factor - the other one was the
surface structure after machining down the foam. For example take a
baguette. If it is complete, it is stable. If you remove the crust...

cu, ZiLi aka HKZL (Heinrich Zinndorf-Linker)
--
/"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign
\ /
http://zili.de X No HTML in
/ \ email & news

David Lesher
August 2nd 03, 11:29 PM
Wonder if you could have a cover over the carbon-carbon edges, ejected later.
Rather like the Apollo Boost Protective Cover...


--
A host is a host from coast to
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433