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May 15th 05, 11:29 AM
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Well, as we don't speak Russian, what exactly is the point of the website,
and is there some idea to actually make this stuff work again, instead of Shuttle? Seems to me that it was shelved for some reason, money probably, but maybe because with changing needs it soon became obvious that it was a nutcracker that was required, not a sledge hammer! Is the airframe titanium or ally? Brian -- Brian Gaff....Note, this account does not accept Bcc: email. graphics are great, but the blind can't hear them Email: __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________ "Pat Flannery" wrote in message ... These are things of interest I've found so far on the Russian language Buran website. There'll be more of this, but their site is down at the moment, so I'll need to wait till it gets back up to find other things The reusable Energia variant with flyback boosters and core stage: http://www.buran.ru/images/jpg/gk175-2.jpg http://www.buran.ru/images/jpg/gk175-5.jpg http://www.buran.ru/images/jpg/gk175-1.jpg http://www.buran.ru/images/jpg/buran-t.jpg http://www.buran.ru/images/jpg/gk175-4.jpg http://www.buran.ru/images/jpg/uragan1m.jpg http://www.buran.ru/images/jpg/uragan3m.jpg http://www.buran.ru/images/jpg/uragan4m.jpg A cutaway standard Energia, showing the extensable landing legs (!) that are housed in the four recoverable boosters with the other recovery gear: http://www.buran.ru/htm/rocket.htm Energia core stage: http://www.buran.ru/htm/15-3.htm Energia/Polyus: http://www.buran.ru/htm/gud%2021.htm#space%20ship Energia cargo carrier/Vulkan: http://www.buran.ru/htm/38-3.htm#vulkan http://www.buran.ru/htm/bigbook.htm Energia motors: http://www.buran.ru/htm/07-3.htm http://www.buran.ru/htm/rd170.htm http://www.buran.ru/htm/11-3.htm#blabla Buran motors and fuel tanks (?): http://www.buran.ru/htm/vsu.htm Buran jet engine nacelles: http://www.buran.ru/htm/vrdu.htm Buran jet testbed: http://www.buran.ru/htm/anabst.htm http://www.buran.ru/htm/bstend.htm http://www.buran.ru/htm/bstriver.htm Buran cargo bay: http://www.buran.ru/htm/mtkkmain.htm Buran landing gear: http://www.buran.ru/htm/lan_gear.htm Buran interior structu http://www.buran.ru/htm/f2.htm http://www.buran.ru/htm/f1.htm http://www.buran.ru/htm/2-01.htm Buran ejection seats and abort sequence: http://www.buran.ru/htm/katapu.htm http://www.buran.ru/htm/escape.htm Buran reentry profile and heating: http://www.buran.ru/htm/algoritm.htm http://www.buran.ru/htm/tersaf5.htm http://www.buran.ru/htm/tersaf4.htm Space Shuttle vs. Energia/Buran: http://www.buran.ru/htm/compar.htm Spacecraft photos (first of 6 pages): http://www.buran.ru/htm/foto.htm Buran Mpgs: http://www.buran.ru/htm/video.htm Buran art: http://www.buran.ru/htm/baikal2.htm http://www.buran.ru/htm/themes.htm There's a "Buran.exe" something on that page that I didn't dare try, so if you want to risk it.... BOR test spacecraft: http://www.buran.ru/htm/bors.htm MAKS spacecraft (with pdf's) http://www.buran.ru/htm/maxmain.htm Zarya spacecraft: http://www.buran.ru/htm/zarya.htm Russian scramjets: http://www.buran.ru/htm/raks.htm Books, CDs, and pins: http://www.buran.ru/htm/cd-rom.htm http://www.buran.ru/htm/poligraf.htm http://www.buran.ru/htm/znachki.htm Pat 
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May 15th 05, 10:49 PM
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Brian Gaff wrote: Well, as we don't speak Russian, what exactly is the point of the website, and is there some idea to actually make this stuff work again, instead of Shuttle? I assume there are two reasons, the website exists; national pride- the Russians were very proud of having developed something as sophisticated as Energia/Buran, and the Russian space fans want to see their nation's space industry reinvigorated, so they look back to the "good old days" of the 1980's; and the possibility of making some rubles by hawking their books and CDs on the website. Seems to me that it was shelved for some reason, money probably, but maybe because with changing needs it soon became obvious that it was a nutcracker that was required, not a sledge hammer! That's about the size of it- the whole design really wasn't economically feasible- they had copied the Shuttle, high launch costs and all. Is the airframe titanium or ally? That's a good one- I had to look it up; Buran did use some titanium but was mainly aluminum, like the Shuttle: http://www.astronautix.com/craft/buran.htm "Structural materials - The orbiter structure was built of conventional aircraft-grade Aluminum alloy D16. Fuselage details were of aluminum 1163, and the cabin module of Aluminum 1205. Titanium VT23 was used in high strength structural members - the girdle longerons of the wings, the fuselage spanners, the barrel section of the payload bay, the wing gloves, and the fuselage spanners carrying the launch vehicle loads. Nomex blankets were used in the payload bay." Pat
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May 16th 05, 02:38 AM
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In article ,
Pat Flannery wrote: Seems to me that it was shelved for some reason, money probably, but maybe because with changing needs it soon became obvious that it was a nutcracker that was required, not a sledge hammer! That's about the size of it- the whole design really wasn't economically feasible- they had copied the Shuttle, high launch costs and all. Actually, nobody much cared. The two systems' background weren't the same. Buran *wasn't* going to be the uber-launcher that would replace every other Soviet launcher. It had a much narrower customer base: the Soviet military, which was worried (unnecessarily, needless to say) about possible military uses of the US shuttle. The fact that it was expensive compared to other Soviet launchers was irrelevant, because it was never meant to supersede them. What mattered was that by the time of its first flight, the Soviet military was rapidly losing interest... not to mention what was happening to their budget. The fact that Buran was basically a military project is also why it's so hard to find a coherent explanation (from Russian sources, not from US observers eagerly but incorrectly drawing analogies to the shuttle) of just why it was undertaken and why it was abandoned. Nobody talked about such things then... and to some extent they still don't. -- "Think outside the box -- the box isn't our friend." | Henry Spencer -- George Herbert |
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May 16th 05, 03:05 PM
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Henry Spencer wrote:
The fact that Buran was basically a military project is also why it's so hard to find a coherent explanation (from Russian sources, not from US observers eagerly but incorrectly drawing analogies to the shuttle) of just why it was undertaken and why it was abandoned. Nobody talked about such things then... and to some extent they still don't. I remember that when the Soviet Union opened up in the early nineties, there was a post to rec.radio.noncomm from someone in .su, offering to sell a Buran really cheap. Wonder if anyone ever bought it? --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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May 17th 05, 12:51 AM
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Henry Spencer wrote: The fact that Buran was basically a military project is also why it's so hard to find a coherent explanation (from Russian sources, not from US observers eagerly but incorrectly drawing analogies to the shuttle) of just why it was undertaken and why it was abandoned. Nobody talked about such things then... and to some extent they still don't. Ever see the drawings of the wingless space warship version of the design? When I was going through those Buran website pages, I came across of one of the Buran type shuttles with its RCC nosecap removed which may show the mounting for the the nose docking collar and the crew transfer hatch: http://www.buran.ru/images/jpg/buranol3.jpg Pat
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May 17th 05, 02:23 AM
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Pat Flannery wrote: These are things of interest I've found so far on the Russian language Buran website. There'll be more of this, but their site is down at the moment, so I'll need to wait till it gets back up to find other things It's back up- here's batch number 2...this is probably most of the rest of the interesting pages on the website, with the exception of one page I couldn't relocate that had a lot more photos of the cockpit interior layout. English language section of site index: http://www.buran.ru/htm/mapsite.htm Spiral spacecraft in English and Russian: http://www.buran.ru/htm/str126.htm http://www.buran.ru/htm/spiral.htm MiG 105 Spiral jet testbed: http://www.buran.ru/htm/epos.htm Buran page in English with many links: http://www.buran.ru/htm/molniya5.htm Very well linked Buran cutaway page: http://www.buran.ru/htm/kompon.htm Atlant Buran/Energia carrier aircraft: http://www.buran.ru/htm/3m.htm Buran/Energia launch complex: http://www.buran.ru/htm/ukss.htm http://www.buran.ru/htm/sk.htm http://www.buran.ru/images/jpg/bbur12.jpg http://www.buran.ru/htm/foto4.htm Buran cockpit instrument layout: http://www.buran.ru/htm/soi.htm Buran subassembly breakdown, (by materials used?) http://www.buran.ru/htm/inside.htm Buran tiles and tile placement: http://www.buran.ru/htm/tersaf.htm http://www.buran.ru/htm/raskroy.htm Buran reentry damage: http://www.buran.ru/htm/terlost.htm http://www.buran.ru/htm/tersaf2.htm http://www.buran.ru/htm/tersaf3.htm Buran wing structu http://www.buran.ru/htm/wings.htm Buran tail structu http://www.buran.ru/htm/tail.htm Buran OMS motors: http://www.buran.ru/htm/odu.htm Buran cargo bay instrument pod: http://www.buran.ru/htm/ongetk.htm http://www.buran.ru/htm/newssp.htm Alternate shuttle design: http://www.buran.ru/htm/str124.htm Buran jet testbed: http://www.buran.ru/htm/hrono.htm http://www.buran.ru/htm/sydney.htm http://www.buran.ru/htm/anabst2.htm Buran 3D computer models: http://www.buran.ru/htm/3d-model.htm Buran/Energia details: http://www.buran.ru/htm/cherch.htm Energia derived heavy lift vehicle and Vulkan: http://www.buran.ru/htm/38-3.htm Polyus battle station: http://www.buran.ru/htm/cargo.htm Energia core tankage: http://www.buran.ru/htm/photo3.htm MAKS spaceplane: http://www.buran.ru/htm/molniya6.htm http://www.buran.ru/htm/maxpro.htm http://www.buran.ru/htm/makszad.htm http://www.buran.ru/htm/bigbook3.htm http://www.buran.ru/htm/busfact.htm#maks-op http://www.buran.ru/htm/maxvid.htm Russian "SpaceShipOne" analog: http://www.buran.ru/htm/str81.htm Reusable scissors-wing flyback rocket booster (this is really neat!): http://www.buran.ru/htm/strbaik.htm Pat
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May 17th 05, 06:04 AM
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Pat Flannery wrote: Pat Flannery wrote: These are things of interest I've found so far on the Russian language Buran website. There'll be more of this, but their site is down at the moment, so I'll need to wait till it gets back up to find other things It's back up- here's batch number 2...this is probably most of the rest of the interesting pages on the website, with the exception of one page I couldn't relocate that had a lot more photos of the cockpit interior layout. English language section of site index: http://www.buran.ru/htm/mapsite.htm Okay, let's try that one again: http://www.buran.ru/htm/molniya2.htm Anyone who can read Russian might enjoy going here, which is the first page of most of the pages in chronological order (100 plus), you can move through the pages in their chronological order via the forward arrow on the page's bottoms: http://www.buran.ru/htm/str01.htm Pat
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May 17th 05, 09:25 AM
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Pat Flannery wrote: It's back up- here's batch number 2...this is probably most of the rest of the interesting pages on the website, with the exception of one page I couldn't relocate that had a lot more photos of the cockpit interior layout. Here's the overall cockpit layout and forward pressure hull structu http://www.buran.ru/htm/cocpit.htm http://www.buran.ru/htm/f1.htm Buran mechanical arm: http://www.buran.ru/htm/bighand.htm Buran external EVA/docking airlock http://www.buran.ru/htm/equipm.htm#spk Pat Pat
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May 17th 05, 10:26 AM
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"Henry Spencer" the Soviet military, which was worried (unnecessarily) about ... military uses of the US shuttle. Yes. This goes way back. IIRC the Soviets came up with their planned Buran response to US "attack shuttle" back around 1971 or in the early 70s anyway. The notion of a Buran filled with nukes, death rays, and poison gas is another example of Russia's idea of how to make the world a better place.
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