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Solar neutrinos and Gravitational differences of a chemical nature



 
 
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Old May 8th 05, 01:14 AM
Ray Tomes
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The solar neutrino problem is discussed in the Physics FAQ at:
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physic..._neutrino.html
In essence, the detected number of neutrinos is consistently smaller
than the expected number based on the known nuclear reaction energy that
is released.

Another seemingly unrelated anomaly is consistently reported by Mario
Nanni in a series of papers in Apeiron Journal with titles such as
"Gravitational differences of a chemical nature", and at last someone
else has taken pity on him and been involved in additional experiments
which confirm the earlier results. Some papers:

Nanni, M. 1997. "Simple Experiments to Test the Dependence of
Gravitational Action on Chemical Composition", Apeiron, vol. 4, no. 1

Nanni, M. 2000, "Dependence of Gravitational Action on Chemical
Composition: New Series of Experiments", Apeiron, vol. 7, no. 3 -4

Nanni, M. 2001, "Gravitational Differences of a Chemical Nature"
Apeiron, Vol. 8, No. 1, January 2001.

The variations are of the order of several parts in 10^-5 and many times
larger than the experimental errors. I think the altitude difference is
several thousand meters. What the experiments show is that the relative
weights of different chemical substances vary with altitude. Of course
the proportion of relative weights at any one place is also the
proportion of the relative masses. These experiments undermine
assumptions made by most physicists (other than Narlikar etc) in dealing
with cosmological problems. However it is always a good idea to test
assumptions thoroughly.

It seems to me that if these effects found by Nanni are real then they
might also show up in measurements of isotope masses if they have been
done at different altitudes (although these are performed in a different
way so they also might not show up). The variation in altitude of the
isotope mass measuring laboratories is likely to be a lot less than the
work done by Nanni, but the accuracy is perhaps also correspondingly
greater. Does anyone know where one might obtain isotope mass
measurements listed by different laboratories?

Now, back to the subject of this post, which is "Solar neutrinos and
Gravitational differences of a chemical nature". If there are variations
in relative isotope masses with altitude or gravitational potential,
then these variations would likely be much more significant in the solar
core than they are over several kilometres vertically on the earth.

If such were the case, then the energy released in the production of
solar neutrinos, being dependant on mass differences, might well be very
different to what it is for the same reaction on earth. So Nanni's
observations may well provide a clear explanation for the solar neutrino
problem.

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Old May 8th 05, 01:53 PM
Jonathan Thornburg -- remove -animal to reply
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In sci.astro.research Ray Tomes wrote:
The solar neutrino problem is discussed in the Physics FAQ at:
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physic..._neutrino.html
In essence, the detected number of neutrinos is consistently smaller
than the expected number based on the known nuclear reaction energy that
is released.


At the top of that web page we find the words
| Updated 1998 by John Bahcall.
| Updated 1994 by SIC.

In other words, that web page is 7 years old. We've learned a *lot*
about the solar neutrino problem in the last 7 years.

For a nice non-technical overview of what we now know, see Bahcall's
article
http://nobelprize.org/physics/articles/bahcall/
(= physics/0406040)
# The three years 2001 to 2003 were the golden years of solar neutrino
# research. In this period, scientists solved a mystery with which they
# had been struggling for four decades. The solution turned out to be
# important for both physics and for astronomy. In this article, I tell
# the story of those fabulous three years.

For a more technical account, see McDonald's review article
astro-ph/0406253:

Title: Solar Neutrino Measurements
Authors: A.B. McDonald
Comments: Review Article on Solar neutrino experiments, 18 pages, 4 figures,
submitted to Focus Issue on Neutrino Physics, to be published in
New Journal of Physics (www.njp.org)
Journal-ref: New J.Phys. 6 (2004) 121
Abstract:
A review of solar neutrino experiments is provided, including experimental
measurements to date and proposed future measurements. Experiments
to date have provided a clear determination that solar neutrinos are
undergoing flavor transformation and that the dominant mechanism for this
transformation is oscillation. The mixing parameters are well defined and
limits are placed on sub-dominant modes. The measurements also provide
strong confirmation of solar model calculations. New experiments under
development will study neutrino oscillation parameters and sub-dominant
modes with greater precision and will investigate solar fluxes further,
concentrating primarily on the low energy pp, $^7$Be, pep and CNO
reactions.

Any new theory of the solar neutrino problems needs to confront --
in a *detailed* *quantitative* manner -- the extensive data described
in these papers (as well as much other data, notably the high-precision
helioseismological measurements of sound speed at various depths within
the sun).

ciao,

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Old May 8th 05, 07:46 PM
Paul F. Dietz
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Jonathan Thornburg -- remove -animal to reply wrote:

Any new theory of the solar neutrino problems needs to confront --
in a *detailed* *quantitative* manner -- the extensive data described
in these papers (as well as much other data, notably the high-precision
helioseismological measurements of sound speed at various depths within
the sun).


It should also be pointed out that oscillation of antineutrinos from
reactors, and of neutrinos & antineutrinos from decay of cosmic ray secondaries
have also been observed, and those observations must also be explained
by any successful theory.

Paul

 




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