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ASTRO: McNeil's Nebula -- Unchanging for now
Some variable nebula vary as various parts of it are lit as clouds
around the illuminating star move around. That is the case with my previously posted variable nebula, Gyulbudaghian's Nebula, lit by PV Cephi. In this case however the nebula seems to suddenly appear then disappear as a whole, along with the star itself, V1647 Orionis. This would seem to indicate the light traveling to the top of the nebula from the star then to us travels about the same total distance as light hitting the bottom of the nebula then coming to us travels. Several geometries could explain this. Or else no one is looking when it fades in or out. Still the distances have to be rather close I'd think. McNeil's Nebula was discovered on January 23, 2004 by the advanced amateur astronomer Jay McNeil while testing a new 3" refractor on M78. He noticed a nebula unknown to him or as it turned out to anyone. A check of survey images prior to his showed no object there. Finally it was noticed that Evered Kreimer had taken it decades earlier as part of a book published by Sky and Telescope Magazine of the M objects. http://www.amazon.com/The-Messier-Al.../dp/0933346042 The image for M78 that was taken with his f/7, 12" reflector on dry ice cooled Tri-X film in October of 1966 showed it clearly. http://messier.seds.org/Pics/More/m78mcneil.jpg But images soon after were again blank. Since then a few other prediscovery images have been found taken when it appeared for short periods. When Jay announced the new nebula I was building my Observatory which wouldn't be complete with Orion out of the sun's glare until the following fall. By then it had again vanished. I was bummed out. Not until 2008 did it reappear. It has remained visible ever since. Each year since then I've taken an image of it looking for changes but so far the only changes I can be certain of appear to be due to my seeing. Every time I try for it seeing is lousy or transparency is bad or both. Only in 2010 did I get a fairly good image of it. I tried twice recently, once on December 23rd, 2014 and again in February 2014. The latter suffered from poor seeing and won't be processed. I'd hoped to add the two together to get a better image but the latest attempt is so bad in comparison I gave up that idea. The December image isn't great but will have to do. I've included a comparison of the 2008, 2010 and now 2013 images. I see color differences due to mostly conditions. While skies were good for the luminance in 2010 clouds cut me off for the color data which was therefore weak making for an anemic color version compared to 2008 and 2013. While I see some changes, especially at the north end I can't say it has changed over the years. Will it again vanish or is it here to stay? This year I did annotate the image as there's a lot going on besides McNeil's Nebula and M78 partly cut off at the top as I centered on McNeil's Nebula. Many of the Herbig Haro objects have A, B, C etc. elements. I didn't annotate them if they were so connected as to appear to be one object has in the complex, as is the case with HH 24. I've marked the location of HH22 but the only nebulosity I see there is that of McNeil's Nebula which is not HH22 best as I can determine. An image of the area taken between 2004 and 2008 when the nebula had faded away clearly shows the real HH24 glowing with typical H alpha's pink color. http://www.eso.org/public/usa/images/eso1105d/ It was completely drown out by McNeil's Nebula in my image without H alpha data. As I've tried to find variations in the nebula since its reappearance in 2008 and am yet to find any I will stop making an annual attempt until it is obvious some change has occured. Note the illuminating star also comes and goes with the nebula but only in visible light. In IR light it is always seen. To illustrate its unchanging status since 2008 I've posted a comparison from 2008, 2010 and 2013. The 2008 was taken with the best transparency and worst seeing. 2010 had the best seeing but poorest transparency and 2013 had fair seeing and fair transparency. The only change I can see with any certainty relate to these conditions. One bright asteroid also made an appearance. Details are in the annotated image. 14" LX200R @ f/10, L=4x10' RGB=2x10', STL-11000XM, Paramount ME Rick -- Prefix is correct. Domain is arvig dot net |
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ASTRO: McNeil's Nebula -- Unchanging for now
Rick,
a very detailed view of this tiny nebula. I'll have to revisit it next winter. Stefan "Rick Johnson" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ... Some variable nebula vary as various parts of it are lit as clouds around the illuminating star move around. That is the case with my previously posted variable nebula, Gyulbudaghian's Nebula, lit by PV Cephi. In this case however the nebula seems to suddenly appear then disappear as a whole, along with the star itself, V1647 Orionis. This would seem to indicate the light traveling to the top of the nebula from the star then to us travels about the same total distance as light hitting the bottom of the nebula then coming to us travels. Several geometries could explain this. Or else no one is looking when it fades in or out. Still the distances have to be rather close I'd think. McNeil's Nebula was discovered on January 23, 2004 by the advanced amateur astronomer Jay McNeil while testing a new 3" refractor on M78. He noticed a nebula unknown to him or as it turned out to anyone. A check of survey images prior to his showed no object there. Finally it was noticed that Evered Kreimer had taken it decades earlier as part of a book published by Sky and Telescope Magazine of the M objects. http://www.amazon.com/The-Messier-Al.../dp/0933346042 The image for M78 that was taken with his f/7, 12" reflector on dry ice cooled Tri-X film in October of 1966 showed it clearly. http://messier.seds.org/Pics/More/m78mcneil.jpg But images soon after were again blank. Since then a few other prediscovery images have been found taken when it appeared for short periods. When Jay announced the new nebula I was building my Observatory which wouldn't be complete with Orion out of the sun's glare until the following fall. By then it had again vanished. I was bummed out. Not until 2008 did it reappear. It has remained visible ever since. Each year since then I've taken an image of it looking for changes but so far the only changes I can be certain of appear to be due to my seeing. Every time I try for it seeing is lousy or transparency is bad or both. Only in 2010 did I get a fairly good image of it. I tried twice recently, once on December 23rd, 2014 and again in February 2014. The latter suffered from poor seeing and won't be processed. I'd hoped to add the two together to get a better image but the latest attempt is so bad in comparison I gave up that idea. The December image isn't great but will have to do. I've included a comparison of the 2008, 2010 and now 2013 images. I see color differences due to mostly conditions. While skies were good for the luminance in 2010 clouds cut me off for the color data which was therefore weak making for an anemic color version compared to 2008 and 2013. While I see some changes, especially at the north end I can't say it has changed over the years. Will it again vanish or is it here to stay? This year I did annotate the image as there's a lot going on besides McNeil's Nebula and M78 partly cut off at the top as I centered on McNeil's Nebula. Many of the Herbig Haro objects have A, B, C etc. elements. I didn't annotate them if they were so connected as to appear to be one object has in the complex, as is the case with HH 24. I've marked the location of HH22 but the only nebulosity I see there is that of McNeil's Nebula which is not HH22 best as I can determine. An image of the area taken between 2004 and 2008 when the nebula had faded away clearly shows the real HH24 glowing with typical H alpha's pink color. http://www.eso.org/public/usa/images/eso1105d/ It was completely drown out by McNeil's Nebula in my image without H alpha data. As I've tried to find variations in the nebula since its reappearance in 2008 and am yet to find any I will stop making an annual attempt until it is obvious some change has occured. Note the illuminating star also comes and goes with the nebula but only in visible light. In IR light it is always seen. To illustrate its unchanging status since 2008 I've posted a comparison from 2008, 2010 and 2013. The 2008 was taken with the best transparency and worst seeing. 2010 had the best seeing but poorest transparency and 2013 had fair seeing and fair transparency. The only change I can see with any certainty relate to these conditions. One bright asteroid also made an appearance. Details are in the annotated image. 14" LX200R @ f/10, L=4x10' RGB=2x10', STL-11000XM, Paramount ME Rick -- Prefix is correct. Domain is arvig dot net |
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