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Old October 4th 09, 08:42 PM posted to alt.binaries.pictures.astro
Rick Johnson[_2_]
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Arp 327, also known as Hickson 34, is a small group of 4 galaxies headed
by NGC 1875, a very large E2 galaxy with a possible AGN (Active Galactic
Nuclei). It's red shift puts it at about 410 million light years. The
other members have slightly different red shift distances but this is
likely due to interaction among themselves. Since NGC 1875 is the big
gorilla of the group I'll assume it is little bothered by the companions
and thus its red shift the best indicator of the groups distance.

The other galaxies in the group, north to south carry the same
designation in most catalogs, just that the they are numbered or
lettered west to east which also happens to be north to south. The PGC
catalog does list them separately so that's what I'll use for the other
three. North to south they are PGC 17173 an 18th magnitude S0 galaxy,
PGC 17175 a 17th magnitude SBd galaxy and PGC 17176 a 17th SA0 galaxy.
It is PGC 17176 that seems most torn up by the gravity of the system.

A note at NED says this about the system:
The four galaxies of the group form a characteristic chain. This kind
of configuration is frequently found in compact galaxies groups and is
easily explained by the N-bodies simulations of clustering (White
et al. 1987) which often produce filamentary structures.

Arp did classify this group under his classification "Group Character:
Chains of galaxies. This was long before the paper explaining them.

There appears to be a possible 5th member of the chain, much fainter and
not nearly as red. It is HCG 034:[RHF91] 02 per NED. Since HCG is
their notation for Hickson Compact Groups they must consider it part of
Hickson 34. Though there's no redshift data to determine if it is
really a member or just a line of sight interloper. Its different color
bothers me. Arp apparently didn't include it in Arp 327. In fact he
didn't include NGC 1875 in his group! His description is; "Three
distorted galaxies in general line toward east." Thus he is leaving NGC
1875 out of the chain for some reason. Probably because it isn't
distorted though I don't see much if any distortion in PGC 17173 either.

Unfortunately the night was poor when I took this with my seeing a bit
worse than 3". I needed a much better night to get much detail. I'll
have to try again next winter.

The red galaxy NE of Arp 327 with its core offset to the right side is
2MASX J05215739+0643182 which appears to have a red shift distance of
just under 400 million light years. So it could be related to the
galaxies in Arp 327.

The largest galaxy SW of Arp 327 2/3rds of the way to the lower right
corner is CGCG 421-036. It is a bit over 400 million light-years away
so again, likely a member of the same group. Even closer to the corner
not far from CGCG 421-036 is 2MASX J05205314+0633047. It is at the same
red shift distance as CGCG 421-036. Continuing due west almost to the
edge you come to another galaxy at this distance, 2MASX
J05203488+0633083. Continuing west and north a bit is a galaxy mostly
off the image but its east edge is seen just poking into the image above
a pair of equally bright stars. This is UGC 03291 also at the same
distance. So it appears the group that Arp 327 is part of is quite
large and extends off my image to the west. Something I suspected so
put it a bit east of center but not as far east as I should have.

Since the SDSS hasn't surveyed this area yet, there isn't much
information on the few other galaxies in the image. Many are apparently
anonymous.

Arp's image of the chain, including the two galaxies he excluded is at:
http://nedwww.ipac.caltech.edu/level...ig_arp327.jpeg
He had much better seeing than I did. I believe this image was taken
with a somewhat blue sensitive emulsion, likely 103a-D coupled with a
yellow filter. A combination he seemed to like I've recently learned.
Why I don't quite understand. My guess would be of the choices
available to him it best matched a visual representation. It would tend
to even out the red of population 2 stars and the blue of population 2
stars giving a more even response across the spectrum. That's my guess,
I've seen nothing on it.

14" LX200R @ F/10, L=4X10' RGB=2X10'X3, STL-11000XM, Paramount ME

Rick

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Old October 6th 09, 07:54 PM posted to alt.binaries.pictures.astro
Stefan Lilge
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Rick,

thanks for posting, I always like to see the unusual ones.

Stefan

"Rick Johnson" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Arp 327, also known as Hickson 34, is a small group of 4 galaxies headed
by NGC 1875, a very large E2 galaxy with a possible AGN (Active Galactic
Nuclei). It's red shift puts it at about 410 million light years. The
other members have slightly different red shift distances but this is
likely due to interaction among themselves. Since NGC 1875 is the big
gorilla of the group I'll assume it is little bothered by the companions
and thus its red shift the best indicator of the groups distance.

The other galaxies in the group, north to south carry the same
designation in most catalogs, just that the they are numbered or
lettered west to east which also happens to be north to south. The PGC
catalog does list them separately so that's what I'll use for the other
three. North to south they are PGC 17173 an 18th magnitude S0 galaxy,
PGC 17175 a 17th magnitude SBd galaxy and PGC 17176 a 17th SA0 galaxy.
It is PGC 17176 that seems most torn up by the gravity of the system.

A note at NED says this about the system:
The four galaxies of the group form a characteristic chain. This kind
of configuration is frequently found in compact galaxies groups and is
easily explained by the N-bodies simulations of clustering (White
et al. 1987) which often produce filamentary structures.

Arp did classify this group under his classification "Group Character:
Chains of galaxies. This was long before the paper explaining them.

There appears to be a possible 5th member of the chain, much fainter and
not nearly as red. It is HCG 034:[RHF91] 02 per NED. Since HCG is
their notation for Hickson Compact Groups they must consider it part of
Hickson 34. Though there's no redshift data to determine if it is
really a member or just a line of sight interloper. Its different color
bothers me. Arp apparently didn't include it in Arp 327. In fact he
didn't include NGC 1875 in his group! His description is; "Three
distorted galaxies in general line toward east." Thus he is leaving NGC
1875 out of the chain for some reason. Probably because it isn't
distorted though I don't see much if any distortion in PGC 17173 either.

Unfortunately the night was poor when I took this with my seeing a bit
worse than 3". I needed a much better night to get much detail. I'll
have to try again next winter.

The red galaxy NE of Arp 327 with its core offset to the right side is
2MASX J05215739+0643182 which appears to have a red shift distance of
just under 400 million light years. So it could be related to the
galaxies in Arp 327.

The largest galaxy SW of Arp 327 2/3rds of the way to the lower right
corner is CGCG 421-036. It is a bit over 400 million light-years away
so again, likely a member of the same group. Even closer to the corner
not far from CGCG 421-036 is 2MASX J05205314+0633047. It is at the same
red shift distance as CGCG 421-036. Continuing due west almost to the
edge you come to another galaxy at this distance, 2MASX
J05203488+0633083. Continuing west and north a bit is a galaxy mostly
off the image but its east edge is seen just poking into the image above
a pair of equally bright stars. This is UGC 03291 also at the same
distance. So it appears the group that Arp 327 is part of is quite
large and extends off my image to the west. Something I suspected so
put it a bit east of center but not as far east as I should have.

Since the SDSS hasn't surveyed this area yet, there isn't much
information on the few other galaxies in the image. Many are apparently
anonymous.

Arp's image of the chain, including the two galaxies he excluded is at:
http://nedwww.ipac.caltech.edu/level...ig_arp327.jpeg
He had much better seeing than I did. I believe this image was taken
with a somewhat blue sensitive emulsion, likely 103a-D coupled with a
yellow filter. A combination he seemed to like I've recently learned.
Why I don't quite understand. My guess would be of the choices
available to him it best matched a visual representation. It would tend
to even out the red of population 2 stars and the blue of population 2
stars giving a more even response across the spectrum. That's my guess,
I've seen nothing on it.

14" LX200R @ F/10, L=4X10' RGB=2X10'X3, STL-11000XM, Paramount ME

Rick



 




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