Data from Columbia 2/1/03 massacre survived... Sounds like anothergovmint covup to me!

On May 10, 12:32*pm, "Jorge R. Frank" wrote:
James Of Tucson wrote:

At one time, the GPCs were based on a Motorola 68000, but a special
one that was designed for the space program.
That one ran OS-9. *It was actually the second generation GPC, in
84.

No. The GPCs have always been from the IBM AP-101 family. They started
out as AP-101B and were upgraded to AP-101S starting in 1991. The S has
more memory and has the IOP integrated into the CPU, while the B had
separate CPUs and IOPs.

The AP-101 family never used Motorola microprocessors. The AP-101 is
binary-compatible with the IBM System/360 series.

The OS on the shuttle AP-101 GPCs has never been OS-9. The PASS GPCs run
a custom OS called FCOS. I don't remember what the OS is called on the
BFS GPC but it wasn't OS-9.

See Jenkins, 3rd ed, pp 406-407 for discussion.

didn't notice it from your 1st post, Jorge, but saw it when James Of
Tucson responded to you.

yeah, you have 'ibm' in your email addy. we all know how you IBMers
fly by the seat of your pants, so i am sure you DIDN'T read the link i
posted when i started the thread. and, everyone knows how IBM does
not mind being involved in coverups, particularly when it involves ANY
government.

and, don't ANYONE forget, that IBM did business with the evil,
murderous Germains in world war II. 'nuff said!

On May 10, 4:16*pm, "Jorge R. Frank" wrote:
Brian Thorn wrote:
On Sat, 10 May 2008 11:32:03 -0500, "Jorge R. Frank"
wrote:

James Of Tucson wrote:
At one time, the GPCs were based on a Motorola 68000, but a special
one that was designed for the space program.
That one ran OS-9. *It was actually the second generation GPC, in
84.
No. The GPCs have always been from the IBM AP-101 family. They started
out as AP-101B and were upgraded to AP-101S starting in 1991. The S has
more memory and has the IOP integrated into the CPU, while the B had
separate CPUs and IOPs.

IIRC, 68000s did turn up in the updated Main Engine Controllers circa
1990. I had an Amiga at the time and was impressed that some part of
the Shuttle was also now using the 68000.

Hmm, right you are. Jenkins says the Block II MECs were certified in
1991 (p. 416) but does not mention that it used a 68000. That bit of
info is in /Computers in Spaceflight: The NASA Experience/, however.- Hide quoted text -

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oh, so you PURPORT that you can read...but just refuse to...

nice going fella.

On May 10, 4:36*pm, "Jorge R. Frank" wrote:
Jorge R. Frank wrote:
Brian Thorn wrote:
On Sat, 10 May 2008 11:32:03 -0500, "Jorge R. Frank"
wrote:

James Of Tucson wrote:
At one time, the GPCs were based on a Motorola 68000, but a special
one that was designed for the space program.
That one ran OS-9. *It was actually the second generation GPC, in
84.
No. The GPCs have always been from the IBM AP-101 family. They
started out as AP-101B and were upgraded to AP-101S starting in 1991.
The S has more memory and has the IOP integrated into the CPU, while
the B had separate CPUs and IOPs.

IIRC, 68000s did turn up in the updated Main Engine Controllers circa
1990. I had an Amiga at the time and was impressed that some part of
the Shuttle was also now using the 68000.

Hmm, right you are. Jenkins says the Block II MECs were certified in
1991 (p. 416) but does not mention that it used a 68000. That bit of
info is in /Computers in Spaceflight: The NASA Experience/, however.

It is also probably worth pointing out that there are other "computers"
on the shuttle that are more powerful than the GPCs. The MEDS IDPs are
Intel 386-based, and the MEDS MDUs have RISC processors, for example.- Hide quoted text -

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RISC processors are called that for a reason. they are ****, and are
very risky. yet another 'tribute' to the evil, vacuous IBM

On May 10, 12:41*pm, (Al Dykes) wrote:
In article ,
James Of Tucson wrote:





On May 9, 6:36 pm, "Jorge R. Frank" wrote:

DOS was never the OS for the space shuttle.

When MS-DOS was on the table, the choice was made to use 68000 chips
and the OS-9 operating system instead.
But the avionics systems were never based on consumer hardware or
software at all.

The avionics are distributed among hundreds (about 300) separate
specialized control units. *These were designed from the ground up
specifically for the Shuttle. * These control units are interfaced to
"General Purpose Computers".

At one time, the GPCs were based on a Motorola 68000, but a special
one that was designed for the space program.
That one ran OS-9. *It was actually the second generation GPC, in

As someone else posted in more detail, the main computers were
off-the-shelf IBM hardware. See

*http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/ex...e_shuttle.html

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Al Dykes
*News is something someone wants to suppress, everything else is advertising.
* * - Lord Northcliffe, publisher of the Daily Mail- Hide quoted text -

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yeah, and IBM computers = **** computers. no more need be said!

On May 10, 4:21*am, "Brian Gaff" wrote:
Yeah, people *do try to find *things that are not really there don't they?
Its often the case with experiments that you do not need complexity. Indeed,
using Dos on a cut down *lump of pc hardware gathering data from experiments
is probably far more reliable than most other operating systems.

As for keeping it secret... Pardon, it was know very long time ago that
data recovery was being attempted on a lot of recovered gear. If there is no
rush, then the more data you can get the better.

Have you ever tried to reconstruct a hard drive and read the platters after
such an event? No neither have I and to get anything is *quite a triumph I
would say.

Brian

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wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080509/...recovered_data

On the Net:

NASA write-up of the experiment whose data was recovered:

http://tinyurl.com/44nqgv

the news article tried to downplay the use of the DOS operating system
as the OS for the space shuttle,

DOS was never the OS for the space shuttle. The space shuttle carried
experiments from many different agencies and some of them used DOS. That
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i notice you are an apologizer for IBM AND the federal government AND
the company that
did the 'recovery' of the data.

the only party you left out was the NASA contractor who held the drive
for six months
before turning it over to the 'recoverer of the data'.

would you like to come to their defense too?

how nice!

On Sun, 18 May 2008 16:54:03 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

i notice you are an apologizer for IBM AND the federal government AND
the company that did the 'recovery' of the data.

....You know, even with only one leg left, I'm so sick of you
childmolesters taking out your guilt on those of us who support
Mankind's greatest achievements that I wouldn't hesitate to find a way
to put you six feet under before you made another bull**** post like
that one. However, since cowards like you will never come forth to
back up their crap, and will forever hide behind their monitors, the
best I can do is the same thing everyone else with any sense should
do.

PLONK

....If there is a Circle of Hell below the ones occupied by IRS workers
and childmolesters, it's occupied by trolls such as this dip**** here.
"IBM Apologist"? Pfft.

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On May 10, 2:30*am, "Alan Erskine" wrote:
"eyeball" wrote in message

...

discovered the truth:

http://www.ilovebonnie.net/tinfoil-hat.jpg

LOL! *I never thought I'd see a picture of someone actually wearing a
tinfoil had!

why not? we are quite sure you do it all the time, 'mr wizard'!

SPANK!

bring it on back if you want even more abuse, punk!

On Sun, 18 May 2008 16:42:46 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:


the news article tried to downplay the use of the DOS operating system
as the OS for the space shuttle,

DOS was never the OS for the space shuttle. The space shuttle carried
experiments from many different agencies and some of them used DOS. That
does not mean that DOS was the OS for the space shuttle.

the article stated that DOS was used stupid. did you even take time
to read the article,

But the article does not say that DOS is the OS for the space shuttle.
That was entirely you adding 2 + 2 and getting 22, and then acting
like a 9 year old child when you were corrected about it.

As Jorge explained (uselessly to you, it appears), the recovered hard
drive was part of an experiment installed in the Spacehab laboratory
module in the Columbia's cargo bay.

The "OS" of the Space Shuttle is not DOS, it is HAL/S, a type of
Assembly Language. This is well-documented.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL/S

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_AP-101

Brian

wrote:
On May 9, 9:36 pm, "Jorge R. Frank" wrote:
wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080509/...recovered_data
On the Net:
NASA write-up of the experiment whose data was recovered:
http://tinyurl.com/44nqgv
the news article tried to downplay the use of the DOS operating system
as the OS for the space shuttle,
DOS was never the OS for the space shuttle. The space shuttle carried
experiments from many different agencies and some of them used DOS. That
does not mean that DOS was the OS for the space shuttle.

the article stated that DOS was used stupid. did you even take time
to read the article, you lazy ****?

One more time, for the comprehension challenged:

The space shuttle carried experiments from many different agencies and
some of them used DOS. That does not mean that DOS was the OS for the
space shuttle.

wrote:
On May 10, 12:32 pm, "Jorge R. Frank" wrote:
James Of Tucson wrote:

At one time, the GPCs were based on a Motorola 68000, but a special
one that was designed for the space program.
That one ran OS-9. It was actually the second generation GPC, in
84.
No. The GPCs have always been from the IBM AP-101 family. They started
out as AP-101B and were upgraded to AP-101S starting in 1991. The S has
more memory and has the IOP integrated into the CPU, while the B had
separate CPUs and IOPs.

The AP-101 family never used Motorola microprocessors. The AP-101 is
binary-compatible with the IBM System/360 series.

The OS on the shuttle AP-101 GPCs has never been OS-9. The PASS GPCs run
a custom OS called FCOS. I don't remember what the OS is called on the
BFS GPC but it wasn't OS-9.

See Jenkins, 3rd ed, pp 406-407 for discussion.

didn't notice it from your 1st post, Jorge, but saw it when James Of
Tucson responded to you.

yeah, you have 'ibm' in your email addy. we all know how you IBMers
fly by the seat of your pants, so i am sure you DIDN'T read the link i
posted when i started the thread.

That isn't my real email addy, dumbass.