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What's wrong with there being ETs (smarter than us none the less)
On Sep 13, 10:00 am, BradGuth wrote:
On Sep 13, 8:41 am, " wrote: If one were to look up the sky hundreds, thousands of years ago in the night, he would see a clear view to the Milky Way, and not just a few stars. The first question one may ask: Is there life out there? How about, God save us all if there isn't. Of course there is. Only 5 years ago people were offended if someone was to suggest there are planets out there. There is a chance though that life on Earth is a result of an accident. Mutation, how does it start? Now thousands of planets are seen, our solar system is not unique. The less unique we go, the more similarities we find. Even planets with water were discovered. If temperatures are fine, and it appears there are millions of planets like ours where water is there, we may find not one but millions of places with life. Even billions, some more advanced becomes very likely statistically. Now the good question. Why don't we see them? Why don't we find radio signals with life, with messages? It may appear that one of life's rules is that interfering with alien cultures may not be allowed. Star Trek had series not interfering with less civilized cultures. Planets are found and telescopes are getting double sharpness every decade. Could aliens find life on Earth using telescopes a 1000 times sharper than the Hubble? Finding life is very hard. TV broadcasts don't go very far, when transmitted on the radio our solar system may receive those signals. We imagine aliens from horror movies. Many science fictions described that aliens would die as they are not susceptible to the bacteria and microbes on Earth. On the other hand there may be life, but to reach intelligence is another thing. Our second species, the Neanderthals died out before arriving to the industrial age. There was a dinosaur 60 million years ago that was 5 million years from reaching intelligence. Then they say a meteor wiped dinosaurs out. Then there are the intelligent species like us. What ensures that we won't die out? Technology in the hands of crazy people will surely cause harm. Nanotechnology is coming. Viruses are manipulated. Mini-black holes are created in labs without anybody having a clear theory to black holes. Scientists showed that the magnetic fields of jets don't even correspond to black hole theories, yet mini black holes are made. We may be wiped out and not even realize it. Just now it was found that salty water can be ignited on fire if exposed to a radio wave as hydrogen is released. Not even much energy is needed to separate water molecules. Like Bush, everybody is obsessed with their beliefs. Life was quiet during the ice age 30-40 thousand years ago, simple tribes lived on Earth and did simple hunting. You may be right, that now technology may be out to harm us, that people are ever more locked into their homes and everybody is up to something, that the once 'people got along' is now all gone and for example 80-90 percent of Arabs think negatively of Americans while in the past people got along regardless of politics. Well, Bush did that, **** him. I say aliens should come if they are around. We will continue living in a horror film, in a sense disgusted and there would be Western Film scenarios, shooting from panick and stuff and finding ourselves living in the war of the worlds, as these aliens will want to stay, but they only like ice and cold, and they can freeze the planet to an Antarctica style place without viruses and bacteria. |
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What's wrong with there being ETs (smarter than us none the less)
Another ignorant comment from the "mass mentalities of Europe and
elsewhere." I have long figured out Americans are aliens, sorry, for real as in a sci fi scenario. I know there is a history of Europeans arriving to this continent and forming a country and if following history, it all seems human. But I have discovered it that human is not around, that a deep inberidested alien invasion took place imberidested. Imberidestu. I know about the USA. |
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What's wrong with there being ETs (smarter than us none the less)
I tried out of the box thinking, and said I can build a perpetum
mobile if I take a system that is proven not to work as a perpetual mobile and mix it with another independent system with different properties such as pressure, temperature, and I said: then we should be able to do perpetual mobile, but my out of the box thought experiment did not work and my ideas did not result in a perpetual motion machine. To have an out of the box mentality, the box that does not work can be made to work. Now computers were like that, there out of the box thinking brought miracles in making the box do incredible things. Still a box of preference is needed. I did not find a box yet that I can muster into miracles where I am the box master, and the box is mine, mine, it can even fly anywhere I want. I know in some cultures people fly on carpets. Mine even has heating and air conditioning. I say where it should go and it takes me. |
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What's wrong with there being ETs (smarter than us none the less)
On Sep 13, 7:49 pm, "Scott Hedrick" wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... In Europe and elsewhere people don't like American mass mentalities in 2007. That's collective European guilt. America is actually taking on Europe's responsibilities around the world, instead of simply talking about them. Bosnia was in Europe's own back yard, and you did *nothing*. It took NATO- that is, the United States, to actually do anything. Europe actually *encouraged* the growth of violent Islamist groups by tolerating their actions, some of which was generated as a direct result of how Europeans divided the Middle East, and now the United States has to clean up the mess. I'd give a **** about Europe's opinion if Europe had clean hands. It was, after all, *France, Germany and Russia* that were actively violating the economic sanctions against Iraq, as documents found by the US shows. Europe need to talk less and act a lot more. You should laugh a bit more, suck your long mustache deep and show off with your talent on Jerry Springer as a man who sucking of his mustache bothers a dinky wipe manufacturer's lesbian husband's mother who also has a weird long mustache and she sues for individuality. Yes her mustache is kept inside her mouth during the show and cockroaches are coming out from the corner of her mouth. |
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On Sep 13, 7:34 pm, mike3 wrote:
On Aug 26, 5:08 pm, BradGuth wrote: BTW, how would you survive a interstellar migration while onboard a rogue planet or moon, without benefit of a thick layer of ice or without salt? - Brad Guth Do you think that's any harder than surviving on Venus? No organic lifeform of any great complexity can survive on Venus, period. End of story. If you want a machine or artificial lifeform to survive there, then surely it could also be made to survive the interstellar trip. Ergo, the Venus thing is more or less moot. Your topic avoidance, exclusion of evidence and supreme all-knowing naysayism as proof-positive that your faith-based terrestrial physics do not function off-world is noted. Thank you very much. - Brad Guth - |
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On Sep 13, 7:50 pm, mike3 wrote:
Well in the Western world, it seems extreme fundamentalist Christianity is a fairly big one. Fundamentalist Christians include George Bush and those who helped him get in power. 1-10? 6, maybe 7. 10 goes to the big megacorporations, who worship the "almighty dollar" as their object of "faith" and their "religion". This includes companies like Halliburton, Exxon-Mobil, Microsoft, and others. You've got my support, and then some. Too bad that the world has to continually suffer the consequences of our actions because we can't manage to police our own kind, much less of others running amuck. Not sure about the Eastern world, but again, fundamentalist groups like Islamic radicals probably would go there. Fundamentalism seems to have a habit of getting into power. The most powerful of those fundamentalism groups is essentially those pesky Yids and of their Zion intent to dominate over all that matters. It's how the likes of their Hitler and GW Bush puppets got away with causing so much collateral damage and carnage of the innocent, and it's what's keeping too much of the truth about history, our moon, Venus and other related matters out of sight. - "whoever controls the past, controls the future" / George Orwell - Brad Guth - |
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On Sep 13, 7:53 pm, mike3 wrote:
On Aug 23, 1:54 pm, BradGuth wrote: I have no arguments against any of that. Of Venus originated/evolved life may in fact be highly complex, as I'd said being extensively exoskeletal comes into mind. How does that solve the fundamental problem of molecular composition and properties, anyway? If natural progression of evolution is not entirely doable without a little outside help, then along with energy is where most anything becomes possible, and lo and behold Venus has way more than its fair share of renewable energy to spare, so at least that doesn't have to be imported. Therefore, how exactly are the intelligent forms of life on Venus getting around those pesky thermal issues? Being exoskeletal should help, though otherwise using the likes of Ovgloves and good old artificial heat exchanging via compressed CO2, as otherwise their beer would never be icy cold, but at least their pizza would always cook really fast, and whatever outside ovens would always self-clean by just opening the door. Habitat insulation of as great as R-1024/meter is most certainly doable, although even as little as R-256/m should more than do the trick. A rigid composite airship with an insulated outer shell of as great as R-1024 seems perfectly manageable, and of processing CO2--co/o2 isn't the least bit of any problem as long as you have such an unlimited wealth of local energy to burn (sort of speak). BTW, there's no shortage of pure h2o, as easily extracted from those relatively acidic though otherwise cool nighttime clouds, if not directly taken from those active geothermal mud flows. - Brad Guth - |
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gb6726 wrote:
: :Of course there is. Only 5 years ago people were offended if someone :was to suggest there are planets out there. : On what planet? Certainly not this one... -- "Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is only stupid." -- Heinrich Heine |
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What's wrong with there being ETs (smarter than us none the less)
On Sep 13, 7:56 pm, mike3 wrote:
On Aug 23, 1:46 pm, BradGuth wrote: On Aug 22, 5:29 pm, mike3 wrote: On Aug 4, 6:21 am, BradGuth wrote: On Aug 3, 9:43 pm, mike3 wrote: On Jul 6, 3:12 pm, BradGuth wrote: snip massive posting Your whole thing is based on a flawed assumption you made about my case. You thought I didn't think extraterrestrial life/intelligence could exist. I did not say that at all. Rather I simply pointed out errors or places where your case was found wanting. I want lots of things to happen, especially on behalf of whatever's so nearby as Venus. Heh. I think I meant that the case had some deficiency in logic or facts. Lack of logic or facts is what got us into Iraq, and obviously you and others of your kind have no moral problems with any of that. Oh I have all sorts of problems with it and I've offed pretty much all the "others of my kind". I have LOTS AND LOTS OF PROBLEMS with Bush and America's policy in general towards the world and it's people. I've never thought Bush was a good guy. We can certainly 100% agree on that, and perhaps technically we can agree on Venus being doable as long as your intelligence level is a little smarter than a hot rock. Well obviously we can't argue againt that analogy, can we. Although, many of your kind think that America should be in charge of all global energy that's fossil or yellowcake, even if it's unproven that such energy reserves are going to ever be utilized against us. I do not think anything of the sort. I think America is doing a bad, bad thing. Terribly sorry about all that, as some how I've goten the silly impression that you and others of your kind very much like the past and present exactly as it is, and that's because you can't find anything the least bit wrong with our fully perpetrated cold-war(s), with our NASA or that of their Apollo fiasco, that which oddly can't be replicated because it's all based upon hocus-pocus crapolla physics that oddly most accept as being the worsd of God. Are you suggesting that you and I can fully agree that our government and of their religious (mostly Jewish) puppeteers has lied to us, more than a few times perhaps? Why are you into excluding the off-world use of those regular laws of physics? On the contrary, I'm assuming those laws hold universally. Note my argument was based off thermodynamics. OK, then where's the insurmountable thermodynamics problem of fending off that toasty environment and/or getting rid of a little personal heat? However, keep in mind that cold-blooded exoskeletal folks that don't hardly sweat (inside or out) may not require all that much heat exchanging. - Brad Guth - |
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What's wrong with there being ETs (smarter than us none the less)
That's all very true and perfectly good news to share and share alike,
that ETs do exist in more ways and places than we might think to look. However, much of your usenet text format sucks. Take a look at it using GOOGLE. - Brad Guth - |
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