C'mon guys...

On 4/27/2014 8:41 PM, Thad Floryan wrote:
[...]
If I post the following table to a Yahoo group showing magnitudes
when discussing a ZFS filesystem:

Byte (8 bits): 1 byte
Kilobyte: 1,000 bytes
Megabyte: 1,000,000 bytes
Gigabyte: 1,000,000,000 bytes
Terabyte: 1,000,000,000,000 bytes
Petabyte: 1,000,000,000,000,000 bytes
Exabyte: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 bytes
Zettabyte: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 bytes
Yottabyte: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 bytes
Xenottabyte: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 bytes
Shilentnobyte: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 bytes
Domegemegrottebyte: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 bytes

NEO returns and now displays the following in a PROPORTIONAL font from
the message archives:

Byte (8 bits): 1 byte
Kilobyte: 1,000 bytes
Megabyte: 1,000,000 bytes
[...]

I was asked via email what's a ZFS filesystem. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS

One example at Lawrence Livermore Labs (noting that rack is
only about 2x the size of my kitchen refrigerator):

http://zfsonlinux.org/llnl-zfs-lustre.html

And I have a ZFS filesystem on my OpenIndiana computer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenIndiana

http://wiki.openindiana.org/

Thad

On 27/04/2014 20:46, Bert Olton wrote:


Thank you all for your patience with this and for your input. But
mostly, my apologies.

It was one of those postings for which had I thought a bit more about, I
might not have hit "send".

No, it wasn't "drunk texted", no it wasn't "butt dialed"...all right,
enough of that.

The gist of it all is since buying that low end telescope I've told you
all about, my family has really gotten excited and interested in astronomy.

Bonnie and I have six kids, the youngest 25, the oldest 35, and one
grand child. Four girls, two boys (plus a grandson). They're all in
various stages of independence, but they all love to gather 'round the
'hacienda' and participate in or at least laugh at the latest thing with
which their Mom and I are distracted or heavily involved.

Obviously the latest is amateur astronomy.

OK. You probably want to look at a few beginners sites then and Sky &
Telescopes if at a US latitude or possibly in Canada the UK's Telescope
House if nearer to a UK latitude. Stellarium is well worth having.

http://www.telescopehouse.com/acatal...Sky-Guide.html

They do it as a public service - I hope they continue with it. Astronomy
has become more popular again in the UK thanks to high profile
involvement of Brian May, Prof Brian Cox and comedian Dara O Briain
fronting astronomy live (even when most times it is cloudy).

A few nights ago I was particularly interested in a portion of a
conversation/argument going on here on SAA and Bon and two of the
daughters were reading over my shoulder. The "C" word came up
repeatedly and they left in disgust.

Offhand I can only think of one poster here who uses that word and if
you object so much then you should kill file him. He knows virtually
nothing about astronomy and is often gratuitously rude to everyone and
especially so to extreme right wingnuts like Snell.

Now none of my girls are wilting lillies...they're used to the kind of
guys I've worked with over the years and the language used by them.
However, in the midst of some really nice intellectual conversation,
it's just a sour note to run into the gutter talk that I live with all
the time and that they're all to aware of as well.

If the bad vocabulary of some is a problem and you want to protect
youngsters from seeing it I'd suggest you get a newsreader that will
allow you to filter posts against a list of obscene words.

Be careful how you filter though - some US net nanny software will
prevent such phrases as "naked eye observing" from getting though. And a
some place names in the UK like S****horpe and Penistone (both real).

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On Sunday, April 27, 2014 8:23:26 PM UTC+1, Bert Olton wrote:
oriel36 wrote:


Astronomy is not merely a magnification exercise at night,it requires that you use every part of your brain and experience to work out cause and effect or how to make sense of the celestial arena.







Nicely put.



The vast bulk of astronomy was done before telescopes emerged around the time of Galileo including the innovations of Copernicus and to a lesser extent Kepler. Contemporaries have a habit of skipping over history lightly -they simply say that Copernicus discovered the Earth goes around the Sun and then run off with the late 17th century notion which give a cause for that motion.

It is a lot more complicated than that for although previous astronomers had assumed the Earth moves they were unable to find just the right arguments to satisfy the contention.For instance,the magnificent Plutarch wrote about an attempt which uses the dual motions of the Earth but falls down on the point of declination -

"do not bring an action for impiety against us, just as Cleanthes thought it right that the Greeks collectively should impeach Aristagoras the Stoic, of impiety, for overthrowing the altar of earth, because the fellow attempted to account for visible phenomena by supposing that the sky remains fixed, and that the earth rolls round down an oblique circle, turning at the same time upon its own axis." Plutarch 80 AD

Copernicus retained daily rotation using the return of the Sun each day but shifted the orbital component to the observed motions of the other planets and especially the forwards-backwards-forwards motions of the other planets known as retrograde motion -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap011220.html

So,there is a huge difference between Copernicus discovering the proper arguments for the Earth's motions and the flawed view that Copernicus discovered the Earth moves because it downplays what other astronomers had thought and even the Catholic Church who had valid reservations about the type of astronomy that predicted events such as eclipses and conjunctions with the arguments which proved the Earth has dual motions -

"Here lurked the danger of serious misunderstanding. Maffeo Barberini, while he was a Cardinal, had counselled Galileo to treat Copernicanism as a hypothesis, not as a confirmed truth. But 'hypothesis' meant two very different things. On the one hand, astronomers were assumed to deal only with hypotheses, i.e. accounts of the observed motions of the stars and planets that were not claimed to be true. Astronomical theories were mere instruments for calculation and prediction, a view that is often called 'instrumentalism'.. On the other hand, a hypothesis could also be understood as a theory that was not yet proved but was open to eventual confirmation. This was a 'realist' position. Galileo thought that Copernicanism was true, and presented it as a hypothesis, i.e. as a provisional idea that was potentially physically true, and he discussed the pros and cons, leaving the issue undecided. This did not correspond to the instrumentalist view of Copernicanism that was held by Maffeo Barberini and others. They thought that Copernicus' system was a purely instrumental device, and Maffeo Barberini was convinced that it could never be proved. This ambiguity pervaded the whole Galileo Affair."

http://www.unav.es/cryf/english/newlightistanbul.html

I use these websites as a means to present that things are not always as historically and technically simple as they seem and that there is a tremendous amount of work to be done recovering astronomy from historical revision that is meant to favor those with different agendas than the ones which occupy astronomers.

On Monday, April 28, 2014 3:48:38 AM UTC-4, Martin Brown wrote:
On 27/04/2014 20:46, Bert Olton wrote:

A few nights ago I was particularly interested in a portion of a
conversation/argument going on here on SAA and Bon and two of the
daughters were reading over my shoulder. The "C" word came up
repeatedly and they left in disgust.

Offhand I can only think of one poster here who uses that word and if
you object so much then you should kill file him. He knows virtually
nothing about astronomy and is often gratuitously rude to everyone and
especially so to extreme right wingnuts like Snell.

Let's see... I am in favor of low taxes, limited and decentralized government, rule of law, strong national defense, freedom of speech, etc. Yeah, those are VERY extreme views...to a socialist such as you.

Be careful how you filter though - some US net nanny software will
prevent such phrases as "naked eye observing" from getting though. And a
some place names in the UK like S****horpe and Penistone (both real).

One wonders how "british" net nanny software would do with some of these:

http://www.i-r-genius.com/rudeplaces.html

The rudest posters here, Oriole, dork and brown are in the UK. (And uncaroller and peterson have strong old world ties.)

wrote:
On Monday, April 28, 2014 3:48:38 AM UTC-4, Martin Brown wrote:
On 27/04/2014 20:46, Bert Olton wrote:

A few nights ago I was particularly interested in a portion of a
conversation/argument going on here on SAA and Bon and two of the
daughters were reading over my shoulder. The "C" word came up
repeatedly and they left in disgust.

Offhand I can only think of one poster here who uses that word and if
you object so much then you should kill file him. He knows virtually
nothing about astronomy and is often gratuitously rude to everyone and
especially so to extreme right wingnuts like Snell.

Let's see... I am in favor of low taxes, limited and decentralized
government, rule of law, strong national defense, freedom of speech, etc.
Yeah, those are VERY extreme views...to a socialist such as you.

Be careful how you filter though - some US net nanny software will
prevent such phrases as "naked eye observing" from getting though. And a
some place names in the UK like S****horpe and Penistone (both real).

One wonders how "british" net nanny software would do with some of these:

http://www.i-r-genius.com/rudeplaces.html

The rudest posters here, Oriole, dork and brown are in the UK. (And
uncaroller and peterson have strong old world ties.)


Isn't Oriel in Ireland?

I'm also in the UK and I don't swear. Or SHOUT.
At least not VERY often.

But I don't see the difference between typing a word any using asterisk for
the same w**d.

As for British net nanny software when I was at Leeds University a
colleague suggested I look at an astronomy website set up by one of his
friends at the Quaker meeting house. The Leeds University system rejected
it on the grounds of "contains sex and hate mail"
After looking at the website from home I found that it did contain Sextans
and HTML.

On Friday, April 25, 2014 9:10:48 PM UTC-7, Bert Olton wrote:
Cheesh, you know what, all I am is a Diesel Mechanic/welder/heavy

equipment operator, but dang, the language you guys use on here in

what's supposed to be a sort of scientific newsgroup kind of puts me to

shame.



I'd like to have my wife and a couple of my kids participate here since

we're trying to learn about astronomy, but the crap that gets posted

here is beyond anything they'd hear at one of our union picnics.



I always thought that I and the guys I work with had no class. You all

make us look like a bunch of pikers. Would love to get one of you on

the sidehill or in a tunnel sometime, see what you're really made of..



Not so best regards,

Bert







--

Molon Labe. To those who have served or are serving the cause of

freedom whether in peace or in war at home or abroad thank you. Si vis

pacem para bellum. "Let's roll!"...Todd Beamer, United Airlines Flight

93, September 11, 2001.

Do you honestly think the vast majority are here with good intentions?

On Tuesday, April 29, 2014 4:28:43 PM UTC-4, Mike Collins wrote:
wsnell01 wrote:

On Monday, April 28, 2014 3:48:38 AM UTC-4, Martin Brown wrote:

On 27/04/2014 20:46, Bert Olton wrote:

A few nights ago I was particularly interested in a portion of a
conversation/argument going on here on SAA and Bon and two of the
daughters were reading over my shoulder. The "C" word came up
repeatedly and they left in disgust.

Offhand I can only think of one poster here who uses that word and if
you object so much then you should kill file him. He knows virtually
nothing about astronomy and is often gratuitously rude to everyone and
especially so to extreme right wingnuts like Snell.

Let's see... I am in favor of low taxes, limited and decentralized
government, rule of law, strong national defense, freedom of speech, etc.
Yeah, those are VERY extreme views...to a socialist such as you.

Be careful how you filter though - some US net nanny software will
prevent such phrases as "naked eye observing" from getting though. And a
some place names in the UK like S****horpe and Penistone (both real).

One wonders how "british" net nanny software would do with some of these:

http://www.i-r-genius.com/rudeplaces.html

The rudest posters here, Oriole, dork and brown are in the UK. (And
uncaroller and peterson have strong old world ties.)

Isn't Oriel in Ireland?

Northern Ireland?

I'm also in the UK and I don't swear. Or SHOUT.
At least not VERY often.

Here is a short article about "shouting down" :

http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/15451/

It appears to be primarily liberals who do that sort of thing.

But I don't see the difference between typing a word any using asterisk for
the same w**d.

One could replace the word with ****, which should not offend anyone.

As for British net nanny software when I was at Leeds University a
colleague suggested I look at an astronomy website set up by one of his
friends at the Quaker meeting house. The Leeds University system rejected
it on the grounds of "contains sex and hate mail"
After looking at the website from home I found that it did contain Sextans
and HTML.

So brown has no cause to criticize US net nanny software then?

From Britain:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Bowdler

On Tuesday, April 29, 2014 7:09:33 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tuesday, April 29, 2014 4:28:43 PM UTC-4, Mike Collins wrote:

http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/15451/



It appears to be primarily liberals who do that sort of thing.

Every time a speaker comes to a university (you know, a place of the free exchange of ideas?) liberals and leftists try to shout them down. It's happened a lot.

On Tuesday, April 29, 2014 7:37:06 PM UTC-4, RichA wrote:
On Tuesday, April 29, 2014 7:09:33 PM UTC-4, wsne...wrote:

On Tuesday, April 29, 2014 4:28:43 PM UTC-4, Mike Collins wrote:

http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/15451/

It appears to be primarily liberals who do that sort of thing.

Every time a speaker comes to a university (you know, a place of the free exchange of ideas?) liberals and leftists try to shout them down. It's happened a lot.

Gratz wasn't diverse enough to be allowed to speak.

You're far better off seeking a moderated group. Such groups exist in
places like Astromart, Cloudy Nights and others. Just do your homework
and research any group before deciding to join. Cloudy Nights is free,
but I think Astromart is like $15 a year now.

I used to find this group quite useful myself and it still is sometimes,
but it has become difficult to weed through all the OT stuff. To make
matters worse for filtering, some of the seemingly legitimate people
here decide to respond to inappropriate posts or users on a regular
basis which is why I seldom visit this group anymore. When the
"legitimates" are behaving themselves and following the rules is the
only time the group is useful. When they continually respond to OT
stuff like global warming (sigh....) or Oriel (rolling eyes) or religion
(YES, I am a believer and I don't need people convincing me NOT to
believe), then I turn away until they decide to behave themselves once
again.

Good luck with your group choices, but moderated is the way to go for
families.

Bill A.


Cheesh, you know what, all I am is a Diesel Mechanic/welder/heavy
equipment operator, but dang, the language you guys use on here in
what's supposed to be a sort of scientific newsgroup kind of puts me to
shame.

I'd like to have my wife and a couple of my kids participate here since
we're trying to learn about astronomy, but the crap that gets posted
here is beyond anything they'd hear at one of our union picnics.

I always thought that I and the guys I work with had no class. You all
make us look like a bunch of pikers. Would love to get one of you on
the sidehill or in a tunnel sometime, see what you're really made of..

Not so best regards,
Bert