Hey NASA! ENOUGH with the God-d--- global warming B.S.!

STICK to your mandate, you are being humiliated every single day by
other agencies who KNOW what they are supposed to be doing. Here is
an example:

BBC:
Delegates to the European Space Agency are expected to approve a
billion-euro mission to Jupiter and its icy moons when they meet in
Paris on Wednesday.

The probe, called Juice, would be built in time for a launch in 2022,
although it would be a further eight years before it reached the
Jovian system.

The mission is being recommended for selection by Esa's executive.

On Wed, 2 May 2012 06:53:02 -0700 (PDT), RichA
wrote:

STICK to your mandate, you are being humiliated every single day by
other agencies who KNOW what they are supposed to be doing. Here is
an example:

BBC:
Delegates to the European Space Agency are expected to approve a
billion-euro mission to Jupiter and its icy moons when they meet in
Paris on Wednesday.

Like NASA, it is part of ESA's mandate to build Earth monitoring
satellites and to study global climate.

Both agencies, quite correctly, mount a variety of missions for
studying the Solar System (of which Earth is a member... a fact that
you are apparently unaware of).

On May 2, 5:02*pm, Chris L Peterson wrote:

Both agencies, quite correctly, mount a variety of missions for
studying the Solar System (of which Earth is a member... a fact that
you are apparently unaware of).

Not, if he's on another planet! ;-)

Which is also why he is denying the spin-offs from the countless
advances in science, materials, methods and technology. Not to mention
the large number of real, often highly skilled jobs and earnings,
which come from all satellite research activity. Plus the savings in
lives from early warning of violent weather systems and other natural
disasters from continuous global monitoring.

The irony, which the troll again overlooks, is that these same
satellites could eventually offer a better insight into AGW. Its
significance and possible mitigation without stomping on the economic
brake pedal. Which he fears more than the consequences to the human
race and our only home.

If taxpayers were funding China to build our satellites to line the
pockets of a few, totally corrupt, psychotic dictators then the troll
might actually have a point. Instead of which satellite building and
delivery into orbit rakes in billions of real dollars from those
employed on the exciting endeavour to know our planet better.

On May 2, 2:53*pm, RichA wrote:
STICK to your mandate, you are being humiliated every single day by
other agencies who KNOW what they are supposed to be doing. *Here is
an example:

BBC:
Delegates to the European Space Agency are expected to approve a
billion-euro mission to Jupiter and its icy moons when they meet in
Paris on Wednesday.

The probe, called Juice, would be built in time for a launch in 2022,
although it would be a further eight years before it reached the
Jovian system.

The mission is being recommended for selection by Esa's executive.

The NASA Charter is unequivocal -

"(d) Objectives of Aeronautical and Space Activities.--The
aeronautical and space activities of the United States shall be
conducted so as to contribute materially to one or more of the
following objectives:

(1) The expansion of human knowledge of the Earth and of phenomena in
the atmosphere and space. "

http://www.nasa.gov/offices/ogc/abou...ct1.html#SHORT TITLE

The American taxpayer has 350 years of old world empiricism working
against them,they have a welfare system of peer review which only
serves the reviewers who are engaging in this anti-competitive
practice as their reputations and wages rely on a steady stream of
students willing to write papers that are compliant with the largest
scale case of groupthink bar none to descend on humanity.

The wider community in industry now has safeguards to combat
groupthink yet by and large the vicious strain of empiricism has
managed to defy scrutiny up to now but due to their aggressive
appearance with climate,the planet definition,the leap second and many
other current issues that reveal the symptoms of a welfare state
inside a state,they have largely been exempted from any
responsibility.That is changing with the 'Fraud Against Taxpayers Act'
and it can't come soon enough to astronomy and terrestrial sciences.

Until external influences are temporarily brought in to counter
groupthink ,and it looks like it is left to the Americans once
more,this vicious strain of old world empiricism will continue to
wreck havoc with astronomy and terrestrial sciences and this is coming
from elements of old world sensibilities who recognize groupthink more
than outright fraud -

"This empiricism, the melancholy heritage transmitted to us from
former times, invariably contends for the truth of its axioms with the
arrogance of a narrowminded spirit. Physical philosophy, on the other
hand, when based upon science, doubts because it seeks to investigate,
distinguishes between that which is certain and that which is merely
probable, and strives incessantly to perfect theory by extending the
circle of observation.
"This assemblage of imperfect dogmas bequeathed by one age to another—
this physical philosophy, which is composed of popular prejudices, —is
not only injurious because it perpetuates error with the obstinacy
engendered by the evidence of ill observed facts, but also because it
hinders the mind from attaining to higher views of nature. Instead of
seeking to discover the mean or medium point, around which oscillate,
in apparent independence of forces, all the phenomena of the external
world, this system delights in multiplying exceptions to the law, and
seeks, amid phenomena and in organic forms, for something beyond the
marvel of a regular succession, and an internal and progressive
development. Ever inclined to believe that the order of nature is
disturbed, it refuses to recognise in the present any analogy with the
past, and guided by its own varying hypotheses, seeks at hazard,
either in the interior of the globe or in the regions of space, for
the cause of these pretended perturbations. It is the special object
of the present work to combat those errors which derive their source
from a vicious empiricism and from imperfect inductions."
Homboldt ,Cosmos

This is far from the sky blue Cosmos of Sagan,this is a battle to
restore common sense and genuine authority in scientific matters and
if it takes the law to temporarily intervene then so be it as there is
no dividing line between reckless scientific assertions and outright
fraught.

On Wed, 2 May 2012 09:39:19 -0700 (PDT), oriel36
wrote:

The NASA Charter is unequivocal -

"(d) Objectives of Aeronautical and Space Activities.--The
aeronautical and space activities of the United States shall be
conducted so as to contribute materially to one or more of the
following objectives:

(1) The expansion of human knowledge of the Earth and of phenomena in
the atmosphere and space. "

You should have stopped there.

On May 2, 5:56*pm, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Wed, 2 May 2012 09:39:19 -0700 (PDT), oriel36

wrote:
The NASA Charter is unequivocal -

"(d) Objectives of Aeronautical and Space Activities.--The
aeronautical and space activities of the United States shall be
conducted so as to contribute materially to one or more of the
following objectives:

(1) The expansion of human knowledge of the Earth and of phenomena in
the atmosphere and space. "

You should have stopped there.

They are called 'subject matter experts',they don't meet and
contribute anonymously to a decision making process which is far
removed from your cozy conferences Peterson where guys like yourself
engage in groupthink,if the 'planet definition' is not proof enough of
that then nothing is.

Groupthink is not fraud as you aptly demonstrate for you truly believe
in what you promote and that it is why it is so hard to deal with yet
there is nothing surer that when legal heat comes on,that type of
legal warming will clear out the schoolboys with lifestyles that are
wrecking havoc with astronomy and terrestrial sciences.A doctor in
medicine or any job on the planet is subject to internal restrictions
and standard apart from astronomy and terrestrial sciences who have
escaped conceptual restraints as it is run off groupthink/peer review
process which rewards compliance.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/3...of-groupthink/

Unlike these commentators who still traffic in assertions and counter
assertions,I deal with the core problem of this vicious form of
empiricism that began in Newton's time and it is not just Newton as a
symbol for the shortcuts and distortions he introduced to get his
'theory of gravity' to work but more importantly,how his follower
facilitated the 'scientific method' which is now creating these
Frankenstein monster concepts on an industrial scale.

There are no 'professional' astronomers,there are amateurs with talent
who make a considerable effort to promote the discipline and then
there are the welfare doctorates who use astronomy as a dumping ground
for empirical theoretical junk.The days of reckless assertions are
finished Peterson and the best thing that happened was 'global
warming' to bring groupthink out in the open.

RichA wrote:

STICK to your mandate, you are being humiliated every single day by
other agencies who KNOW what they are supposed to be doing. Here is
an example:

BBC:
Delegates to the European Space Agency are expected to approve a
billion-euro mission to Jupiter and its icy moons when they meet in
Paris on Wednesday.

The probe, called Juice, would be built in time for a launch in 2022,
although it would be a further eight years before it reached the
Jovian system.

The mission is being recommended for selection by Esa's executive.

have your tomatoes fruited yet (this year)?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/10/op...e-climate.html

If Canada proceeds, and we do nothing, it will be game over for the climate.

Canada’s tar sands, deposits of sand saturated with bitumen, contain twice the amount of carbon dioxide emitted by global oil use in our entire history.

On May 11, 4:38*am, Sam Wormley wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/10/op...e-climate.html

If Canada proceeds, and we do nothing, it will be game over for the climate.

Canada’s tar sands, deposits of sand saturated with bitumen, contain twice the amount of carbon dioxide emitted by global oil use in our entire history.

Game over for climate indeed !.

A planet's climate is defined by its inclination,a planet with an 90
degree inclination like Uranus will have a polar climate while a
planet with a zero degree inclination will have an equatorial
climate.The old hypothesis of 'no tilt/no seasons' was fine for its
day but now has to go in favor of 21st century concerns so that we can
say the Earth has a largely equatorial climate influenced by the
length of time different latitudes spend in solar radiation.

Too many schoolboys with lifestyles and not enough astronomers for
there is nothing so difficult about interpreting the images where the
the polar coordinates of a planet act as a beacon for the orbital
behavior of a planet and also define its climate characteristics.