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Old June 8th 05, 11:23 AM
Rhonda Lea Kirk
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Neil Gerace wrote:

I just have a pet hate about the use of the word
'bandwidth' in this sense. But then, I studied Fourier
transforms at uni, so I know what the difference is
between frequency and speed. (Doubtless most people here
do too.)


Of course. This is a technical group. But as used in this
thread, it is a traditional shorthand with a long history. I
went hunting in the RFCs for a response to Mary's contention
that trimming was never about bandwidth, and it is used in
this context quite frequently.

As for what trimming is about, all the references I
found--including the nanae-FAQ--cite bandwidth as the reason
for trimming quotes. But what I searched for were references
to trimming and bandwidth, so all it means is I found what I
was looking for, which may or may not be the answer.

Me, I trim my quotes pretty carefully, and I get annoyed by
people who don't. Other than that, it's hard for me to
remember what this is all about because the post Mary
responded to is nearly a month old, and I'm an old lady,
with a spotty memory that doesn't go back that far.

rl



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Old June 8th 05, 04:50 PM
Ami Silberman
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"Mary Pegg" wrote in message
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[Just going through an old thread I never finished reading]

Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:

but I do have a question: does anyone really pay
premium prices for bandwidth anymore? If so, then the


Yes. People on satellite phones, for instance. Not so
common, but they exist. There's still people on pay-as-you-go
by-the-minute dial-up. And there's people on Antarctic
stations and research ships who have a personal bandwidth
allowance.

In England, at least a few years ago, you couldn't even get a flat-rate
dial-up. (According to my cousin, at least, who ran a Chaplaincy office.)


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Old June 8th 05, 05:16 PM
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On 2005-06-08, Ami Silberman wrote:

Yes. People on satellite phones, for instance. Not so
common, but they exist. There's still people on pay-as-you-go
by-the-minute dial-up. And there's people on Antarctic
stations and research ships who have a personal bandwidth
allowance.


In England, at least a few years ago, you couldn't even get a flat-rate
dial-up. (According to my cousin, at least, who ran a Chaplaincy office.)


Per-minute connections were common until ~2000. The first flat-rate
dialup I remember (ie, pay £X per month, no call charges) turned up
about 2001; before that, the big development was Freeserve (and its ilk)
in 1999 which offered no monthly charge but a per-minute local call
rate. I misremember exactly when this development was, as I was at
university at the time.

(The USian practice of effectively free local-rate calls never took off
here)

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Old June 8th 05, 07:17 PM
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Andrew Gray writes:

Lots of people in hotels (less so now, with wide provision of access
points, but until the last year or so very common) need to use
cellphones for external net access; these are often a) running
expensive per-minute rates and b) act as horribly slow
modems. Basically, back to 1993 as far as the connection goes.


Why? I don't know of any local hotel where you can't find an open
WiFi in under 60 sec!

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Old June 11th 05, 01:22 PM
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Pat Flannery wrote:
[too much, perhaps, but that's our Pat]

The Irish version is considered by many to be the single most difficult
of the world's musical instruments to play well; so difficult in fact
that no one has ever accomplished this feat:
http://www.taramusic.com/features/uilleann.htm


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Old June 11th 05, 07:03 PM
Neil Gerace
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"Pat Flannery" wrote in message
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The Irish version is considered by many to be the single most difficult of
the world's musical instruments to play well; so difficult in fact that no
one has ever accomplished this feat:
http://www.taramusic.com/features/uilleann.htm


If someone does manage to play it well, how will anyone know?


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Old June 12th 05, 03:54 AM
Pat Flannery
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Neil Gerace wrote:

If someone does manage to play it well, how will anyone know?



People won't scream and run as soon as the first few notes are played.
They tend to do that now. :-)
Actually it can be played well, but it's a rare instrument to seen being
played, and apparently fiendishly difficult to master. It's basically a
bagpipe, but instead of blowing into the bag to inflate it, you pump a
bellows under your arm. Trying to do that at the same time you are
fingering the holes in the pipes is supposed to be like trying to pat
your head and rub your stomach simultaneously. The number of really
competent players is said number a few dozen worldwide.

Pat
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Old June 12th 05, 11:32 AM
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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 02:03:50 +0800, "Neil Gerace" wrote:

"Pat Flannery" wrote in message
...

The Irish version is considered by many to be the single most difficult of
the world's musical instruments to play well; so difficult in fact that no
one has ever accomplished this feat:
http://www.taramusic.com/features/uilleann.htm


If someone does manage to play it well, how will anyone know?


It would help if he could hear the previews on Amazon that Pat's
link leads us to. But on the various sites, clicking on the song titles
just downloads something called "hurl.exe". That doesn't sound
good.

Dale

It doesn't run, either

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Old June 12th 05, 11:39 AM
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On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 03:32:54 -0700, I wrote:

It would help if he could hear...


Errr..."we"...

Dale

Found a page with audio clips. Not that unpleasant- sorta
like a flock of gay geese-

http://www.pipersgathering.org/Audio...io%20Clips.htm
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Old June 12th 05, 07:17 PM
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Dale wrote:


Found a page with audio clips. Not that unpleasant- sorta
like a flock of gay geese-

http://www.pipersgathering.org/Audio...io%20Clips.htm



It does sound distinctly different from the Scottish pipes, doesn't it?

Pat
 




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