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Advanced versions of the V-2 rocket
Scott Lowther vs Rob Arnt
One of these is a serious and respected aviation researcher, who has done much primary research in company archives, published books and magazines, and generously contributed valuable research to other authors. The other one is called Rob. Paul Martell-Mead / Overscan Secret Projects - Unbuilt Projects and Aviation Technology http://www.secretprojects.co.uk |
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On Jul 1, 10:17?pm, Scott Lowther
wrote: Rob Arndt wrote: I've gone through all your APR material and most of it could have come from one site- prototypes.com. Actually, the other way 'round. Really? Prototypes.com has no German disc a/c or any other extremely rare a/c that I just listed off the top of my head above. Find one from just that list to post from there or anywhere online- just one. That's an impressive thought process you have there. I'd like to know how you pulled that gem out of the previous post: You: "your APR material could have come from prototypes.com" Me: "Much of the prototypes.com stuff could have come from APR." You: insert insane blathering HERE Not possible, they have more material than you do. And since I have been here at RAM for 9 yrs and posted 1,000s of photos under multiple S/Ns as well as the old webtv days... it is impossible for you to say that. My sources come from hundreds of sites, forums, NGs, and Google navigation. Try FOIA. Try DTIC. Try NTIS. Try NARA. Hell, try a *library.* The internet is useful.... but when you restrict it to fora, newsgroups and Google, you're going to get a wide variety of "shallow" and a whole heaping helping of "internet bull****." Improper context Scott, just talking about this NG and posting aviation images here. People here, BTW, don't seem to respond to posted patents, official USAAF images, intel documents, etc... b/c people tend to believe what they want no matter what the evidence is before them. I can list all the German and US patent numbers, BIOS Report numbers, submit official photos from the 415th NFS, etc... and still no one cares. That is their choice. The Discovery Channel even contacted me about the German V-7 weapon and its connection to Josef Andreas Epp when I was with the IFO Picture Library in 2005. When I informed the interviewer by phone that there was NO connection at all, which can be chronologically proven and also that Epp was working in Prague when the V-7 designed by Dr. Richard Miethe was being built in Breslau... the interviewer got silent and then terminated the interview. I never saw that show if they ever did it, but I heard their angle was "Epp and his V-7"- which is false history. I have probably covered tens of thousands of pages on my hunts and am known as a forum-raider. If you were a member of the forums I have fully raided you would know my alias by now. As a matter of fact a clue is in my profile. Anyone British with a knowledge of history should be able to decipher it. I am better known here, online, and across the globe for rare a/c than you are Scott. Maybe. Who cares? Why does this matter to you? In any event... Me BF110 doc: "Vorlaufige Betriebs und Rustanleitung"http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250138331699 Early Shuttle Doc: Integral Launch and Reentry Vehiclehttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250138333705 Advanced Versions of the V-2 rocket - documentshttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250138340542 -- ------- The fact that I have no remedy for all the sorrows of the world is no reason for my accepting yours. It simply supports the strong probability that yours is a fake. - H.L. Mencken- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Wow! E-bay URLs sure are impressive Scott. What's next, moving up to Wiki? FYI, I have BIOS/CIOS/FIAT/FOIA documents and a wide range of USAAF/ USAF/US Army Technical Intelligence Reports dating anywhere from 1944-47. There are also all the German and US disc patents with related patent technologies. How about Argentine naval war records too of postwar German disc and U-boat sightings in Argentine waters and skies? 415th NFS records plus 20th & 21st BGs too on the "Foo Fighters (aka US Intel Phoo Bombs, German weapons 1944-45). All of these can be found on Black Sun if you look. It is so convenient of you to also by-pass my challenge to you on the previous post concerning the rare aircraft I mentioned. You can't find even one, just as I claimed you could not. So again, I am not impressed. Rob |
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OM wrote: ...You know, this is the sort of **** that's chased far too many people off of .history. Yeah, I went over to rec.aviation.military and ran into this whacko. But his website is something else, to put it mildly: http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/index.html Normally, you'd have to eat a lot of funny mushrooms to come up with stuff like that. Pat PLONK ...Jeez, Guth's Syndrome must be contageous after all. OM |
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Damon Hill wrote: I've been checking out the scenery at r.a.m.; seems they have their share of mega-egos, and bat**** insane Nazi apologists too. I wonder how long even Pat's sense of humor will stand up over there? Oh, around 6 pm CDT. Unfortunately, this guy has basically _become_ that newsgroup in his own mind, to the point where he's about the only person posting things to it anymore; rather than just killfile him, I get the feeling that most everyone else just left in disgust. Anyone else just argues for or against him. So that one is another newsgroup that doesn't suit me. They all seem to be heading downhill fast these days. Pat |
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In sci.space.history Rob Arndt wrote:
Here's an old photo I posted of a rare rail-launched V-2: http://modelarchives.free.fr/photosc...in_lanceur.JPG I wonder what if anything it might have done to the railroad ties. I guess the exhaust deflectors (?) would have dealt with that. rick jones -- oxymoron n, Hummer H2 with California Save Our Coasts and Oceans plates these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... feel free to post, OR email to rick.jones2 in hp.com but NOT BOTH... |
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Rick Jones wrote: I wonder what if anything it might have done to the railroad ties. I guess the exhaust deflectors (?) would have dealt with that. I have a close-up photo of the base of the rocket on the rail launcher in one of my books (The Birth Of The Missile) It appears that the exhaust is channeled out horizontally from a pair of rectangular ducts under the rail wagon. These direct the exhaust off at a ninety-degree angle to the tracks at around five feet above them. Pat |
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"Pat Flannery" wrote in message
... | | | Rick Jones wrote: | | I wonder what if anything it might have done to the railroad ties. I | guess the exhaust deflectors (?) would have dealt with that. | | | I have a close-up photo of the base of the rocket on the rail launcher | in one of my books (The Birth Of The Missile) | It appears that the exhaust is channeled out horizontally from a pair of | rectangular ducts under the rail wagon. These direct the exhaust off at | a ninety-degree angle to the tracks at around five feet above them. | | Pat That being so, it's still a matter of heat vs time. The railroad ties down here (we call them "sleepers") are made from a fairly dense hardwood - but will still burn if exposed to that amount of radiant heat for more than a short time. With at least 30 minutes to prepare a round for launch, it would give the tracks enough time to cool off between firings - and you can still move the launch car forward if it looks black 'n crispy. I would have liked to have seen the Midway's wooden deck after a V2 was launched in '46. It looks like a metal deflector was used under the rocket, but there's still a lot of blast area that (I presume) was wooden. -- Cheers Dave Kearton |
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In sci.space.history Dave Kearton wrote:
"Pat Flannery" wrote in message | I have a close-up photo of the base of the rocket on the rail | launcher in one of my books (The Birth Of The Missile) It appears | that the exhaust is channeled out horizontally from a pair of | rectangular ducts under the rail wagon. These direct the exhaust | off at a ninety-degree angle to the tracks at around five feet | above them. That being so, it's still a matter of heat vs time. The railroad ties down here (we call them "sleepers") are made from a fairly dense hardwood - but will still burn if exposed to that amount of radiant heat for more than a short time. I guess then that the real risk was then to the trees and shrubs on either side of the tracks. Either you start a forrest fire on launch, or you have "open" enough tracks that some fighter jock in a P-47/P-51/Typhoon/whatnot spots you, swoops-in and ruins your whole day? That first picture seems to show some pretty broad "open space" on the far side of the rail car A V-2 didn't exactly "zip" off the pad did it? rick jones -- Wisdom Teeth are impacted, people are affected by the effects of events. these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... feel free to post, OR email to rick.jones2 in hp.com but NOT BOTH... |
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"Dave Kearton" wrote in
: That being so, it's still a matter of heat vs time. The railroad ties down here (we call them "sleepers") are made from a fairly dense hardwood - but will still burn if exposed to that amount of radiant heat for more than a short time. With at least 30 minutes to prepare a round for launch, it would give the tracks enough time to cool off between firings - and you can still move the launch car forward if it looks black 'n crispy. What will happen is that the ballast will be deeply excavated right out of the roadbed, the ties burnt and the rails will likely warp, or try to. A blast deflector had to have been included in the design. --Damon |
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On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 18:45:57 -0500, Pat Flannery
wrote: OM wrote: ...You know, this is the sort of **** that's chased far too many people off of .history. Yeah, I went over to rec.aviation.military and ran into this whacko. But his website is something else, to put it mildly: http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/index.html Normally, you'd have to eat a lot of funny mushrooms to come up with stuff like that. Pat Cool, I always dig that Luft 46 stuff. |
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